THE ACCURATERELOADING.COM MEDIUM BORE RIFLE FORUM

Page 1 2 

Moderators: Paul H
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
Ballistic tip or Partition?
 Login/Join
 
One of Us
posted
Going on a mule deer hunt in Wyoming next month and can't decide on 140gr ballistic tip or the 140 partition? I will be using a 7mm mag. Any personnel preferance?


Life member NRA
formally scrappy
 
Posts: 192 | Location: Ga | Registered: 21 February 2005Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of Blacktailer
posted Hide Post
quote:
Any personnel preferance?

Heavier bullets.


Have gun- Will travel
The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark
 
Posts: 3831 | Location: Cave Creek, AZ | Registered: 09 August 2001Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of vapodog
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by impalaslayer:
Going on a mule deer hunt in Wyoming next month and can't decide on 140gr ballistic tip or the 140 partition? I will be using a 7mm mag. Any personnel preferance?


With the 7-Mag, I'd opt for the petitions over the B-Tips.....but in all respects either would do the job.


///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
Winston Churchill
 
Posts: 28849 | Location: western Nebraska | Registered: 27 May 2003Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
160gr NP


Aim for the exit hole
 
Posts: 4348 | Location: middle tenn | Registered: 09 December 2009Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
For Elk sized game I would pick partitions every time if they shoot well in my rifle. Deer sized game it does not matter which one, pick the better shooter. Good shooting.


phurley
 
Posts: 2371 | Location: KY | Registered: 22 September 2004Reply With Quote
new member
posted Hide Post
You can not go wrong with the 160 gr. partitions.
 
Posts: 13 | Registered: 11 July 2011Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
As all others stated, go with the Partition.
 
Posts: 129 | Location: Birmingham, AL | Registered: 04 October 2010Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of Ghubert
posted Hide Post
Brush country or open range?

If it's the latter then go for the Ballistic Tip, if that's what shoots best, and in the case of the former go for the Partition, again if it shoots well.

My reasoning is mainly based on meat damage concerns if you're taking the good stuff home with you.

If you're not worried about damage then take whichever shoots best.

In either case if it is in brush country it might be worth downloading the bullet to 2800 fps or so if you are worried about meat, still plenty of point-blank trajectory and you might get lucky and keep at least one shoulder! Big Grin

Don't worry about power, it'll "only" be about as powerful as a .270 downloaded but i'm sure the deer will oblige....
 
Posts: 11731 | Location: London, UK | Registered: 02 September 2007Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of cobra
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Moparguy:
You can not go wrong with the 160 gr. partitions.


Ditto. Cool


 
Posts: 8827 | Location: CANADA | Registered: 25 August 2004Reply With Quote
new member
posted Hide Post
If you were talking Coues deer in Arizona, I'd go BT. But with the potential of a larger heavier Mulie, I'd go with the 160gr Partition. However, if they don't shoot accurately (which would surprise me), I'd give a look at the Accubonds.
 
Posts: 584 | Location: Phoenix, AZ | Registered: 13 August 2004Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of Alberta Canuck
posted Hide Post
I haven't hunted with ANY factory loaded ammo in over 50 years other than RWS H-Mantles in my 7x65R, so I will probably be struck by lightning, die, and go directly to Hell for saying this, BUT...

For deer I don't think it makes one iota of difference which hunting bullet you use, Nosler or otherwise. I'd be perfectly happy with a store-bought box of non-premium, el cheapo, Winchester assembly-line Power Points for deer.

The only caveat I'd make to that is that whatever they were, they'd have to shoot 2 MOA or better from the rifle I was going to use. MOA or better would be nice, but totally not needed in my hunting.

sofa


My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still.

 
Posts: 9685 | Location: Cave Creek 85331, USA | Registered: 17 August 2001Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Federal 160 grain Nosler Partitions
 
Posts: 130 | Location: PA | Registered: 23 February 2009Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of scottfromdallas
posted Hide Post
Split the difference and go with the 140 Accubond. Partition performance with ballistic tip long range efficiency.



 
Posts: 1941 | Location: Texas | Registered: 19 July 2009Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by scottfromdallas:
Split the difference and go with the 140 Accubond. Partition performance with ballistic tip long range efficiency.


+1 tu2

GWB
 
Posts: 23752 | Location: Pearland, Tx,, USA | Registered: 10 September 2001Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
+1 to Alberta Canuck and if you place bullet properly even a .223 with cheapo Winchester or Remington will do the job. With as much of an overkill rifle as you have cheaper bullet no concern.
 
Posts: 3811 | Location: san angelo tx | Registered: 18 November 2009Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Thanks for all the input, I will be in open country and I think will move up to the 160 NP.


Life member NRA
formally scrappy
 
Posts: 192 | Location: Ga | Registered: 21 February 2005Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of ted thorn
posted Hide Post
I never shot anything but 160's from my 7 mags of yesteryear


________________________________________________
Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper
Proudly made in the USA
Acepting all forms of payment
 
Posts: 7361 | Location: South East Missouri | Registered: 23 November 2005Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of Antlers
posted Hide Post
Go with the Partitions...


Antlers
Double Rifle Shooters Society
Heym 450/400 3"
 
Posts: 1990 | Location: AL | Registered: 13 February 2002Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
NP for me!
 
Posts: 20177 | Location: Very NW NJ up in the Mountains | Registered: 14 June 2009Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of JabaliHunter
posted Hide Post
160gr Accubond
 
Posts: 712 | Location: England | Registered: 01 January 2010Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of Nakihunter
posted Hide Post
I use a 280 Ackley Imp and I do not like to use Balistic tips in that caliber simply because of explosive impact damage at close to medium ranges.

Also as suggested by others, 140 gr is too light for the game & cartridege - I would use minimum 150 gr NP or 160 gr Accubond or NP.

If you get the right powder / load, you will be surprised how flat the 160gr bullets shoot even at 350 meters.

Good luck.


"When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick."
 
Posts: 11420 | Location: New Zealand | Registered: 02 July 2008Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of ramrod340
posted Hide Post
I used to switch back and forth between BT and Part depending on the game. I now use the accubond for everything and love it. Keeps is simple. In my 280PDK (7mag velocity) I use the 160s in my wife's 7x57 we use the 140. Elk, Kudu, Oryx etc have been taken with excellent results.


As usual just my $.02
Paul K
 
Posts: 12881 | Location: Mexico, MO | Registered: 02 April 2001Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by impalaslayer:
Going on a mule deer hunt in Wyoming next month and can't decide on 140gr ballistic tip or the 140 partition? I will be using a 7mm mag. Any personnel preferance?


I use the 140-grain partition bullets most of the time in my 7mm magnum, never know whether shots will be short or long. There is probably a small accuracy edge for the ballistic tips, I'd rather have controlled expansion as accuracy is good enough already.


TomP

Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right.

Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906)
 
Posts: 14808 | Location: Moreno Valley CA USA | Registered: 20 November 2000Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of adamhunter
posted Hide Post
I'd go with the Partitions or the AB's. I have never been happy with the performance of the 140 BT's in my 7mmRM on whitetail. Never liked the BT's in any caliber come to think of it.


30+ years experience tells me that perfection hit at .264. Others are adequate but anything before or after is wishful thinking.
 
Posts: 854 | Location: Atlanta, GA | Registered: 20 December 2007Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
I have never had a BT create an exit wound on deer so I quit using them. They fragment horribly and do exsessive meat damage. In my 7mm Mag I went to Barnes TTSX bullets and never looked back.

I agree you should consider 160 grains and go with the NP. The Accubond and Hornady Interbond are also good bullets if you prefer to shoot bonded core over mono metals.
 
Posts: 264 | Registered: 20 July 2011Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Thanks for all responses. Went to Bass Pro shops yesterday and picked up some 160 Accubonds they were all out of Partitions.


Life member NRA
formally scrappy
 
Posts: 192 | Location: Ga | Registered: 21 February 2005Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
I doubt you will be disappointed. Should you go after elk or something these would serve you better than BTs
 
Posts: 3174 | Location: Warren, PA | Registered: 08 August 2002Reply With Quote
new member
posted Hide Post
You may want to try 140sst by Hornady. They will hold together better than the BT and have a higher BC than the part.
 
Posts: 18 | Location: Marion,Al | Registered: 08 September 2011Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Mickey D:
You may want to try 140sst by Hornady. They will hold together better than the BT and have a higher BC than the part.


Good choice. I have two 7mm RM's and have never gotten decent accuracy from Partitions. Best accuracy is the 168 Berger, by far, loaded ahead of 7828. Deadly accurate.
 
Posts: 11729 | Location: Florida | Registered: 25 October 2006Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of Wstrnhuntr
posted Hide Post
Ive taken a bunch of Mulies with a 7mm RM and 145 gn Speer hot cores. Bang, flop every time. I wouldnt bother paying for so called "premium" bullets for deer. Just pop the lungs and watch um drop.

Ive also taken several deer with BT's but Im begining to gravitate away from them on big game. I feel like Ive been pressing my luck with them on deer, accubonds are excellent though.

Ive got a bunch of 154 gn core locks that Ill be using for my next 7mm deer loads.



AK-47
The only Communist Idea that Liberals don't like.
 
Posts: 10190 | Location: Tooele, Ut | Registered: 27 September 2001Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by impalaslayer:
Going on a mule deer hunt in Wyoming next month and can't decide on 140gr ballistic tip or the 140 partition? I will be using a 7mm mag. Any personnel preferance?


If you are handloading, there are NO bad bullets from Nosler and any would work just fine...

even the lighter 120s and 130 grain bullets will work fine... you don't need a cannon to kill a mule deer...and the 7 Mag is more than enough gun...

plenty of other 7mm bullets from other manufacturers will work well also...

just because you are coming out west, don't think that all mule deer are taken at 500 plus yards...

take what you can manage to put into the right spot at ranges out to 300 or so.. and I think you'll be more than ready for 99% of what you may encounter...
 
Posts: 16144 | Location: Southern Oregon USA | Registered: 04 January 2005Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
shoot the 140 Partition. Nothing will beat it.

with a 7Mag you will get all the penetration and expansion you need for mule deer..they are not the same as elk. The 140 will shoot flatter and faster than the 160.

I shoot the 140 Partition in my Rem 7mmRM and have had absolutely no issues with it's killing power on deer sized game.

If I was elk hunting I would use the 160 or 175 Partition, but you need neither for mule deer.

troy


Birmingham, Al
 
Posts: 834 | Registered: 18 December 2006Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Hopefully I will get to try the 160 accubonds today. If they do not perform like I want I will go back to the 140 patitions. On white tails I do use 140 ballistic tips when I use my 7mm mag or other calibers. The ballistic tips have always done well for my wife and I from plains game to white tails.


Life member NRA
formally scrappy
 
Posts: 192 | Location: Ga | Registered: 21 February 2005Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of Nakihunter
posted Hide Post
Interesting comment about the 145 gr Hot core. I agree that they are good game bullets as are the standard Rem corelokt. I found the 145gr Boat tail Speers a bit less reliable on heavier animals - they are NOT hot core.

We shoot a lot (literally hundreds) of feral goats her in NZ and the 140 gr Nosler BTs are explosive on them at closer ranges. Yes they work well but they leave fist size entry wounds and do not fully penetrate even an average 40 lbs goat if hit on the shoulder. The same with 100 lbs fallow deer. I find they damage too much meat at less than 200 meters range.

The Speer hot core or the Rem Corelokt cost a lot less and penetrate better. For the bigger animals I stick to 160 gr Accubonds and barnes TSX 140ge or 150 gr.

quote:
Originally posted by Wstrnhuntr:
Ive taken a bunch of Mulies with a 7mm RM and 145 gn Speer hot cores. Bang, flop every time. I wouldnt bother paying for so called "premium" bullets for deer. Just pop the lungs and watch um drop.

Ive also taken several deer with BT's but Im begining to gravitate away from them on big game. I feel like Ive been pressing my luck with them on deer, accubonds are excellent though.

Ive got a bunch of 154 gn core locks that Ill be using for my next 7mm deer loads.


"When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick."
 
Posts: 11420 | Location: New Zealand | Registered: 02 July 2008Reply With Quote
Moderator
Picture of jeffeosso
posted Hide Post
quote:
Ballistic tip or Partition?


one's a varmit bullet, one's a hunting bullet.

a proper question is accubond or part... then "which ever your gun shoots better"


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
 
Posts: 40229 | Location: Conroe, TX | Registered: 01 June 2002Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
I agree with Jeffeoso. My experience with Ballistic Tips on antelope stink. I've had them open up prematurely and not even exit on a shoulder shot. Penetration was poor. That's an important dynamic when you have a big mule deer quartering away, you'll want a partition. My use of Ballistic Tips is now relegated to shooting coyotes and prarie dogs.
 
Posts: 245 | Location: The Show Me State | Registered: 27 November 2008Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Jeffe hit the nail on the cabeza.

I have personally seen two instances of VERY
un-satisfactory performance with the Ballistic Tips.
(I know Nosler has changed their ad wording for the Ballistic Tips so maybe they have changed the design on the larger than varmint calibers(?????)

I'd go with the Accubonds or Partitions which ever shoot the best. The Accubonds do work as advertised as do the Partitions.

But to each his own.


"The right to bear arms" insures your right to freedom, free speech, religion, your choice of doctors, etc. ....etc. ....etc....
-----------------------------------one trillion seconds = 31,709 years-------------------
 
Posts: 1521 | Location: Just about anywhere in Texas | Registered: 26 January 2008Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of scottfromdallas
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Wstrnhuntr:
Ive taken a bunch of Mulies with a 7mm RM and 145 gn Speer hot cores. Bang, flop every time.


I have them loaded up for deer this year in my 7mm-08. I've never used them so it's good to hear.



 
Posts: 1941 | Location: Texas | Registered: 19 July 2009Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
The partition is the standard that all other bullets are compared to. Why take a chance on anything else?
 
Posts: 30 | Registered: 31 January 2011Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of Rusty
posted Hide Post
Not a super bullet, but when driven within their design parameters, they just do what they way they will do, every time! I have also had great success and accuracy with Nosler Accubonds!


Rusty
We Band of Brothers!
DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member

"I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends."
----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836
"I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841
"for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson
Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.”
 
Posts: 9797 | Location: Missouri City, Texas | Registered: 21 June 2000Reply With Quote
  Powered by Social Strata Page 1 2  
 


Copyright December 1997-2023 Accuratereloading.com


Visit our on-line store for AR Memorabilia