After avoiding full stocked rifles I am now attracted to them for the moment. Here is a pretty one for some rich guy.



http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=34012994

I had one of these in 6.5-54. It's one of the few guns I regret selling.

Pretty gun, but I am not a fan of the split recievers but I could make an exception on this rifle.

The caliber is exactly right though.

I love how those Mannlichers handle and working the bolt is very smooth (great craftsmanship). I think that the 6.5x54 MS is one of all time great calibers with a classic history. This rifle will make someone very happy.

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Originally posted by 9.3 rifleman:
I love how those Mannlichers handle and working the bolt is very smooth (great craftsmanship). I think that the 6.5x54 MS is one of all time great calibers with a classic history. This rifle will make someone very happy.

I've owned two of them, both .270's. I have a friend in Central NY who has one in 7X57mm - like this one. And I am not sure that he has ever fired it.

They are sure nice rifles.

I just bought this one from Griffin & Howe, I haven't taken delivery of it yet, it's still in transit. I've handled a couple of these at gunshows and truly love the way they feel and handle in my hands, but didn't have the $$$ until recently. This one is a 1952 model .30-06. The scope isn't correct but I've got one that is and I can use the 1.5X5 on another rifle so It worked out pretty good. Paul at G&H described the rifle as a true 98% gun with exception of the scope mount. He said it looks like some type of chemical was spilled on the mount while off the gun. No discoloration to the lower mount or the rifle.

That MCA is also listed on GunsAmerica for $2295.00 so somebody is very close.

Terry

I'm a big fan of the full length stock. Ruger's RSI is, to my eye, one of the best looking factory rifles around.

But as far as the Mannlicher in the title photo, am I the only one that thinks those white line spacers wreck the whole thing?

The white spacers are period correct so I could deal with them. One thing I don't like is the front ring has been drilled for the mount. I've seen this type of mount in person and IMO it messes up the beautiful lines of these rifles.

Terry

Here is my "mannlicher". Its a Brno 22f carbine in 8-57S that now has Weaver S bases and a Kahles ah 2-7 on it. It's not like I have gone cheap on this rig and it's still not there. Something needs to be done about the worn and oil soaked areas on the stock and maybe the safety if I am really going to take this one into the woods.

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The white spacers are period correct so I could deal with them.

So's this.

Period correct can still be butt-ugly.

With all that drop in the stock, do you put a removable pad on top of the stock to get your face aligned with the scope?

Jeff

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Originally posted by Noel H.:
I'm a big fan of the full length stock. Ruger's RSI is, to my eye, one of the best looking factory rifles around.

But as far as the Mannlicher in the title photo, am I the only one that thinks those white line spacers wreck the whole thing?

I'm not crazy about the spacers either. The Ruger is a nice looking rifle but the barrel's too short. I think the company that did it right is Remington with their model out of the Custom Shop with 20" barrel.

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Originally posted by Noel H.:
But as far as the Mannlicher in the title photo, [b]am I the only one that thinks those white line spacers wreck the whole thing?

Nope! These white spacers were the first thing I took off my M/S rifles, and promptly threw them in the trashcan.......

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The Ruger is a nice looking rifle but the barrel's too short.

You're right about that, Cobra. I think it's okay -- though not ideal -- for a low intensity cartridge with the heaviest bullets, but I would certainly prefer 22 inch barrels.

Personally I'm brand new to the mannlicher style rifles, having just acquired my first one a couple weeks ago - a tang safety Ruger M77 RSI in .243 Win. It's in like-new condition and shoots and carries like at dream at 6.5 lbs. I so far just have the factory irons on it and may or may not leave it that way since it is so remarkably light and handy in this configuration - so far it's giving me 1.25" groups with the irons and factory W-W 100gr P-P ammo ($11.74 a box at Walmart).

I bought it after browsing one of the gunbroker sites online. I'd been surfing thru the Ruger rifles available for sale and was suddenly and inexplicably enamoured with the mannlicher rifles! I'd never had any interest in them before, so this was sort of a revelation for me personally, but as I researched them and after alot of input from all my friends here I realized it sounded like a wonderful candidate as a light-rifle to fill a gap in my sporting rifle battery that jumped from .22 rimfire to 30-06 (I gave my son my 1/2 MOA M700 6mm Rem about a year ago). The .243 Win seemed like a great choice since it's so universally available and a fine flatshooting round.

I've been carrying it daily now for the past couple weeks and it's nothing short of wonderful after being used to 8-10 lbs rifles for so long. I'm sure I give up around 100-150fps in that short 18" bbl on the RSI but I've always liked short carbines for around my little ranch and riding on the seat of the truck beside me. It's primary purpose for me is as a pest rifle for jacks, coyotes, javelina... Also the occasional deer or Mtn Lion.

I'm a convert is all I can say. The Mannlicher is a very graceful and elegant rifle...

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Originally posted by 260remguy:
With all that drop in the stock, do you put a removable pad on top of the stock to get your face aligned with the scope?

Jeff

That scope is very low and it clears the bolt handle with a lot to spare also. Yes the stock is good for the irons but it also has a very good cheek weld for that scope as it is. I have no particular flexiblility in regard to using a scope with a poor or non existant cheek weld.

Some say they can shoot any stock with say a high scope but I cannot with ease or confidence.

I have a similar rifle and the mount is higher and I am lost with that rifle. I can shoot it of course but one can struggle with a situation like that.

The particular rifle is not ideal yet. I am one who does not like to modify factory rifles much. It's not the money, it's keeping them orginal. The LOP is too long on this 8mm for me with a coat. This is the most serious problem with the rifle as it is. I can find a way around the safety and double triggers but when I really need to get something I may have to leave this one behind. Having really only having the rifle for a week I have not had time to figure it out yet.

This "carbine" with it's 20.5" barrel weighs eight pounds with the scope by the way.

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I'd been surfing thru the Ruger rifles available for sale and was suddenly and inexplicably enamoured with the mannlicher rifles!

It was a long, long road for me. I bloody well hated the things for years. IMO, learning to appreciate the Mannlicher is a signal that one has "arrived" as a rifle conniseur.

I used to have a carbine exactly like that, but factory drillied and wearing Redfield mounts and a Kollmorgen 2.75x Bearcub scope, it was in 6.5x55 (not a typo). I bought it in 1967 and sold it the following year...I was only 21, so......

A few years ago, I bought one with oil finish and a slightly higher comb, made in 1971, in minty condition, chambered .30-06. It has Redfield mounts, a Leupy VariXIII 1.75-6 scope and shoots 180 NPs at 2725 into .6 moa. I like it, but, don't really use it much.

These carbines will shoot as my first one would do .5' groups, however, I have three of the Brnos of the type shown, except half-stock, and prefer them. These rifles will never be marketed again and they represent the finest in sporting rifle production, IMHO.

Actually, I was asking about the M-S with the G&H side-mount and Leupold 1.5-5x Vari-X III on it that MC1 posted a picture of. Your 8x57 looks very nice and is probably a delight to carry during the Vermont deer season.

Jeff

I had a M-S with a full length stock in .30-06, QD side mounts, double set triggers. It looked very much like the original rifle in this thread. Sweet rifle, but a pain in the neck to use with those double set triggers, so I sold it.
- mike

My "Pet":
An original Mannlicher Model 1900, Three digit serial number, original scope in "Suhler Einhaksmontage" - German claw mount. Caliber 6,5x54MS.

"- Mr Bell, where are the Tuskers?"







Husky

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Originally posted by kutenay:
I used to have a carbine exactly like that, but factory drillied and wearing Redfield mounts and a Kollmorgen 2.75x Bearcub scope, it was in 6.5x55 (not a typo). I bought it in 1967 and sold it the following year...I was only 21, so......

A few years ago, I bought one with oil finish and a slightly higher comb, made in 1971, in minty condition, chambered .30-06. It has Redfield mounts, a Leupy VariXIII 1.75-6 scope and shoots 180 NPs at 2725 into .6 moa. I like it, but, don't really use it much.

These carbines will shoot as my first one would do .5' groups, however, I have three of the Brnos of the type shown, except half-stock, and prefer them. These rifles will never be marketed again and they represent the finest in sporting rifle production, IMHO.

They are nice aren't they

For those of you that like the ruger copies, Ask if you can hold a real Mannlicher at the next gun show you attend. There certainly be's a difference.

Terry

Husky, That's beautiful!

Terry

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Originally posted by Noel H.:

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The white spacers are period correct so I could deal with them.

So's this.

Period correct can still be butt-ugly.

No, they aren't pretty. But, remove them and your "collector" rifle just lost a lot of it's value.

Please, don't post that link again without a warning first! (just looked and there is no puking smiley face)

Terry

Nice gun Husky! Boha has quite a few Mannlichers, at least two are fullstocked and very well balanced. I love my .375 Mannlicher model 72 as it has enough weight for me.

cewe,
Thanks!
How many rifles does boha own???
Looking forward to meet you!

Husky

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No, they aren't pretty. But, remove them and your "collector" rifle just lost a lot of it's value.

Point taken. I personally just wouldn't buy the thing in the first place, as I think white line spacers ruin just about any rifle, especially such an otherwise traditional and graceful rifle. Ah well, you know what they say about opinions.

Oh, and sorry about the link. That was uncalled for.

Of all the mannlicher stocked rifles that I have handled, I think that the Husqvarnas were the best balanced and quickest pointing. FWIW, I think that the long action Ruger 77 RSIs balance a little better than the short action 77 RSIs, but they aren't in the same league as the Husqvarnas.

Jeff

Husky: How many rifles does boha own? He knows, and I guess God does, but everyone else is guessing! And then we have handguns...

I´ll PM you about Aug.

Husky

Thats a beautiful rifle. I dream about a 6.5x54 full stock.

Don't know how you guys can even mention a ruger Rsm in the same breath as a genuine Mannlicher. The only similarity is the F/L stock. The Mannlicher is a class act - the ruger is a ruger.

I'll admit it, I'm a Mannlicher fanatic! The one from Savage99 is a beauty, but so is the M1900 too! How well do they shoot? Well, my "ancient" 1919 vintage M1903 is my leading game getter, and I used a 1966 vintage .30-06 to take five African plains game trophies last year. Mannlichers were made for using!! Not for languishing inside some collectors trophy case. Why else do you always see a Mannlicher (usually a 9.5mm) in every big game hunting movie from the 1930s to the 1950s?
LLS

Nothing touches my heart like a 1903 M/S in 6.5x53 or a Brno 22F in 7x57..I have owned many of them, but keep selling them when they double in value, soon I won't be able to afford one, and I'll be sucking hind tit!! never fails.

Less than 25 minutes to go and we still have not met the reserve. I don't like that kind of auction.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=34012994

I shot my 22f yesterday and it did rather well at 200 yds. The LOP measures almost 15" to the front trigger! That must have been made for a giant? I am going to cut the the stock and put the plastic plate back on.

I finally realized what you were commenting on. That 7x57mm Mannlicher-Schoenauer was priced way way too high. At least I hope it was an MCA. I would love to own one again in 7x57mm, but I am "making do" with three of them in 6.5x54mm instead. If you are watching the market on the three main websites, Mannlicher prices are starting to come down off the high caused by some incorrect Blue Book pricing from 3-4 years ago. Good Luck!!
LLS

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Originally posted by cewe:
Nice gun Husky! Boha has quite a few Mannlichers, at least two are fullstocked and very well balanced. I love my .375 Mannlicher model 72 as it has enough weight for me.

cewe!! Do you really have a Model 72 Mannlicher-Schoenauer chambered for .375 H&H? I am asking about a rifle that would be marked as 72,73, 74, or 75 on the proofline on the barrel and receiver.
LLS

Sierra2:
I think it´s a model 72...but I´ll check when I get home. It´s a lovely gun with the smoothest of actions!

I´ll get back to you tonight.

Sierra 2: I now have the rifle in my hands and it is a MS M72 and the original chambering is .37H&H. The serielnr starts 78XX and has the following markings on the barrel: CNORM3170FTLF3, the bolthandle is marked wiuth the last two nr:s of the serialnr.

Good enough?

It´s a great gun, I´ve used it twice in Africa and on several whitetail and elk hunts. Shoots nicely too.

The scope mount on a Mannlicher-Schoenauer can make or break the rifle. Certain models will increase the value, while others will decrease it.

An original Steyr swing-away mount is obviously the most desireable.

Griffin & Howe, Jaeger, EAW and properly installed claw mounts will enhance the value.

Inexpensive mounts such as the Redfield and Pachmayr are neutral, because they use the factory holes or the removeable sidelplate.

Leupold, Kuharsky and a few others actually lower the value, because you have to drill and tap the rifle on the left side of the reciever, thru the factory inscription.

If you look at the above mentioned 7x57 on Gunbroker, you will see that the mount is screwed on the left sidewall, when the factory provides mounting holes on the left side of the rear bridge. That simple act of ignorance drastically alters the collector value of the rifle by about $500, regardless of condition. I would rate that rifle as a shooter, with a $1500 approximate value.

Agreed Kurt, and I wouldn't go over $900 at the absolute outside for any Mannlicher-Schoenauer with one of those lesser mounts such as the one on this rifle, even if it is in a desireable caliber. You hit the nail on the head about those scope mounts.
LLS

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Originally posted by cewe:
Sierra 2: I now have the rifle in my hands and it is a MS M72 and the original chambering is .37H&H. The serielnr starts 78XX and has the following markings on the barrel: CNORM3170FTLF3, the bolthandle is marked wiuth the last two nr:s of the serialnr.

Good enough?

It´s a great gun, I´ve used it twice in Africa and on several whitetail and elk hunts. Shoots nicely too.

Wow! Thanks cewe! That .375 H&H M-72 is a rare rifle in the USA. In 30 years of collecting I've only seen references to the magnum version, never one in the flesh. Thanks for verifying their existence. Must have been a European item in the brief production run, Steyr did a lot of that. Can tell by the serial number that your rifle is probably vintage 1975. Thanks for sharing!!!!!
LLS

I´ve been toying with the thought of selling my .375 as I just had a 9.3x62 made up for me.

Thank you sierra 2 for putting me back on track!