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Originally posted by DIs:
Well, without 338/06 hunting experience, your rating does't mean much. Does it? That is why this ratings have little value.

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Originally posted by 416Tanzan:
so are you guys saying that I should consider a
338 RCM?

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- 30-06 brass
- large magazine capacity with. 473"

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Originally posted by 416Tanzan:

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- 30-06 brass
- large magazine capacity with. 473"

Only two of your points differentiate the RCM from the -06.

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Originally posted by 416Tanzan:

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Originally posted by DIs:
Well, without 338/06 hunting experience, your rating does't mean much. Does it? That is why this ratings have little value.

The bullet does the work, the cartridge is only a delivery device.

A 338-06 is exactly like a 338 WM that was fired 75 yards further back. If someone wants to know what a 338-06 hits like then take any shot made from a 338WM and move the 338-06 shooter 75 yards closer. Your 338WM shot was 75 yards? Well, the 338-06 would have done the same at spitting distance. Basically, whatever can be done with a 338WM, can be done with a 338-06 as long as one gets closer. Since most effect of the 338WM in the first 200 yards is "overkill," the WM and -06 will be essentially equal over the first 200 yards. And since most hunting is done in the first 200 yards, anecdotal comparisons can rave about how the 338-06 and 338WM are WONDERFUL hunting tools.
Don't need 250 yards? There's always that cute little 338 Federal. Just get 150 yards closer than a 338WM, and most anything within 150 yards will go down like it was pole-axed. Lighter bullets will still work and open even out to 400 yards, just without the extra thump and hurt that the 338WM puts on animals.

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Originally posted by ar corey:

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Originally posted by 416Tanzan:

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- 30-06 brass
- large magazine capacity with. 473"

Only two of your points differentiate the RCM from the -06.

No, three points. The fact that the RCM is a dead cartridge differenciates it from the 338-06.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
on a scale of 1-5....one being totally unacceptable....five being the very best, how do you rate the .338-06 as a elk cartridge?

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:

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Originally posted by ar corey:

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Originally posted by 416Tanzan:

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- 30-06 brass
- large magazine capacity with. 473"

Only two of your points differentiate the RCM from the -06.

No, three points. The fact that the RCM is a dead cartridge differenciates it from the 338-06.

All three were good points too.

Look, if you're fixated on hunting with one of the '06-derivative odd-balls, then the .35 Whelen just makes more sense. It's been putting down big game for decades.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I used the 35 Whelen and 338-06 back in the day on both elk, Moose, and in Africa for a long time or until the .338 Win. came out and I switched over, never to return.

I couldn't tell much difference in the 338-06s killing power over my 30-06 with 200 or 220 gr. bullets and anyone claiming to is delusional IMO..I still love my 30-06s btw..

I believe the .338 Win is the superior cartridge and kills a little quicker,shoots a little further perhaps, Ive used it since its birth and consider it the best all round cartridge for North America and for plainsgame in Africa, but not by a hell of a lot, and it gives me a little more confidence I suppose..Although Ive used the .338 win. a bit for DG, its a little lacking "at times" on that count much like the 243 is on deer and antelope.

I learned long ago the more powder capacity and a larger bullet is the obvious..and that recoil is the determination of choice..Choice of bullet and its construction is a must, especially in lighter calibers.

To quote a 338-06 is good to 400 yards and a 338 is best at 500 yards is foolishness.It would be hard to determine that all things equal.. The difference in trajectory in all these hunting calibers is miniamal and within a few inches of each other..

One has to make his own determination on such a subject and expect his final judgement will change as time and experience takes place. It will never be black or white, usually gray.

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Originally posted by ramrod340:
WOW guess I rated it a touch low.

In 1991 I took a 280 rem Norma case blew it out to .46 40deg at the shoulder and moved the shoulder forward to 2.18". In that brass I had right at 80 grs of water capacity. Used the 210 Part then the 200 Accubond. While 3000fps was doable from a 24" I was only getting 3 loadings. So dropped to 2900 now brass lasts 6-7 loading. Since 1991 it has accounted for all the elk I have taken.

Will my 340PDK or the 338-06 do anything the 338 Mags or the 8mm-06 won't do probably not. Has it ever failed me nope. Sure more pleasant to shoot and you do get 2 more down than the mags. Only poor shooting would give you the need for the extra rounds. The 338-06 and the equivalents won't fail you on elk.

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So basically you did more capacity than an ackley in the 280 Remington

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Originally posted by ramrod340:

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So basically you did more capacity than an ackley in the 280 Remington

Around 11% vs the AI 4%. The thinner Norma brass helps as well. Can't remember how much the brass added. Basically a Gibbs shaped case or take the 340 Howell and blow it out a touch more. I'm usually a couple grains above the Howell with a shorter neck so even more net capacity.

I did it to match my other PDKs loved it so much it is my go too for ELK sized game. I also love to be different.

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473 - . 460= a straight walled case. Did you shorten the neck too

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Originally posted by sambarman338:
It would have been good enough for Elmer Keith, even with his big-bore preferences, and probably has better bullet choices than the 35 Whelen.

I use a 338 WM and we only have 'Indian elk' here, so I can't speak personally about the .338-06 on wapiti.

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Originally posted by DIs:
My question is How many people that commented actually have killed an elk with a 338/06 or for that matter even own one? I own one and have killed elk with it. I rate it at a 5.

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Originally posted by 505ED:
I'd giver 'er a 4.5+

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Originally posted by 416Tanzan:

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Originally posted by DIs:
Well, without 338/06 hunting experience, your rating does't mean much. Does it? That is why this ratings have little value.

The bullet does the work, the cartridge is only a delivery device.

A 338-06 is exactly like a 338 WM that was fired 75 yards further back. [ . . . ]

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Originally posted by ar corey:
I would assume he meant rate the 338-06 at its best, probably something around a 210 TTSX in an Ackley configuration, shooting a 0.25" MOA group.

I don't get the whole 6.5 craze when the .277" and .284" markets are so lucrative. What can a 6.5-300 Weatherby do that the 270 Weatherby couldn't? Practicality wise.

Sell 6.5 rifles. Why I shoot a 30:06!

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Originally posted by NONAGONAGIN:
Again with the comparisons/ratings...my 338-06 was built to shoot the old, long 270 gr Speers therefore it has a LONG throat and I can load it to the gills and get velos way over what is considered "Average" for published data for the 338-06.

Wanna comparison...I have chrono'ed my goto load, 225 gr Horn/IMR 4320 26" 338-06 along side a factory 24" 338 Mag, 250 gr Win PP and both were within about 20 fs of each other. Yeah the Maggy had 25 gr on mine and of course anyone that's done this game for any length can improve on both cartridges in many ways. Besides I've seen several elk taken with a 100 gr 250 Sav factory equivalents in a Sav 99, so whats the point???

Both cartridges will do the job...but in todays world and if you want to believe all the U-toobs, the 6.5 and 7mm Noslers are taking the Elk hunting game by storm so WHY would you even WANT to muck about with any other cal/cartridge? Besides just how many wildcat iterations of 338-06 are out there that are even faster...rate WHAT?...compare WHAT?...bullet, velocity, cartridge efficiency, rifle, barrel length...SCOPE?

I feel that "rating" is a total put down for whatever you want to rate...and comparisons just pi** on both the "ratee" and the "rator" and total simple mindedness...it is doing a disservice to BOTH...or just wanting to start another dust-up...too much of that goes on anyway and isn't really helping those looking for good data to work with.

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