beteen a 7mm Rem Mag and a .300 Win Mag or H&H?

Oh Geeze......is this a trick question because you used the word beteen?



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With similar weight bullets, a/b a RCH .

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Originally posted by TX Nimrod:
Oh Geeze......is this a trick question because you used the word beteen?



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LOL! i was typing with BOTH fingers what do you expect???

My line of thinking was stirred by comments from an "expert" who praised the 300 H&H and all but dismissed the 7mm Rem Mag. I personally wouldn't pass up a shot with a 7 that I would take with a .300 anything. I like the 160 or 175s in my 7 and would probably use 180s or maybe up to 200s in a .300, but either seems to be so close to the same to me it wouldn't matter.

What I don't know is all the ballistic and calculations that would put them on apples to apples comparison. Obviously SD & BC should be close to the same but what next? Nate

.024 but I will take the 300 Win every time!

I think its impossible to notice any difference between a 30-06 with 180 grainers and a 7mm mag and 175 grainers.

On game at reasonable distances and similar bullets.

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Originally posted by BigNate:
beteen a 7mm Rem Mag and a .300 Win Mag or H&H?

The average 7mm shooter is much more proud of his gun.

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Originally posted by 900 SS:
I think its impossible to notice any difference between a 30-06 with 180 grainers and a 7mm mag and 175 grainers.

On game at reasonable distances and similar bullets.

To make an apples to apples comparison, you'd need to compare 7mm with 160 grain bullets to be in the same class as .30-06 with 180 grain bullets.

To almost quote the late and great 'Finn Aagard',
"I defy anyone to tell by the reaction of the game on big African antelope, with identical shot placement, which caliber was used from the 7x57 thru the .375 H&H. Reaction will be the same!"

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Originally posted by BigNate:
beteen a 7mm Rem Mag and a .300 Win Mag or H&H?

as compared to, say, a 460 weatherby?
nothing by selecting the right rifle and good shot placement

Using a 7mm 160gr NP and a .300cal 200gr NP bullet, I couldn't tell any difference. They both put holes all the way through and killed quickly.

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difference beteen a 7mm Rem Mag and a .300 Win Mag or H&H?

.308" - .284" = .024"

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Originally posted by Blacktailer:

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Originally posted by BigNate:
beteen a 7mm Rem Mag and a .300 Win Mag or H&H?

The average 7mm shooter is much more proud of his gun.

LOL! I have found the opposite to be true. In fact what started this for me was a conversation with an "expert" who bestowed blessings on the all powerfull .300 H&H while regailing my children of how the 7mm Rem Mag is so poor ballistically that a single blade of grass would cause a bullet to be more than 21" off course, while a .300 would shoot through brush.

I personally couldn't care less. I can kill animals with whatever. I think a pre 64 would be great but if the new M70 could be ordered with sights I'd have one of those in .30 cal somethingorother. Not because I think it would work any different, but because I'm thinking about being able to interchange bullets so I don't have to stock so many different calibers!

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Originally posted by DWright:
To almost quote the late and great 'Finn Aagard',
"I defy anyone to tell by the reaction of the game on big African antelope, with identical shot placement, which caliber was used from the 7x57 thru the .375 H&H. Reaction will be the same!"

I agree completely. I'm amazed at all of the cartridge comparison threads that go on and on and on, all the time. The biggest difference between most modern cartridges is between the shooters ears.

I have owned and hunted both a 7mm Rem Mag and a 300 Win Mag [and a 300 WBY Mag as well.]

The 7mm will have a little less recoil, the 300 mag will have a little more thump, on both ends.

I prefer the 300 Mag as IF I need thump at long range, it gives me the best all round choice, between recoil and thump.

Oh the ever mythical caliber that "shoots through brush" lol......Expert....riiiiiiiiiiiiight....

I thought about posting a pic of the massive exit hole through a 3' diameter tree stump from my 45-70 with a 350 gn cast load and asking how that fares in the category of "brush buster"..

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Originally posted by BigNate:
beteen a 7mm Rem Mag and a .300 Win Mag or H&H?

The H&H is a really old design, the 7mm case is a very good design, and the 300 WM was a really stupid one..

Does that clear it up for you?

I think quite a bit when you the 30 bigger bullets, but probably not noticeable until yo upass the 300yd mark.

If had a 300 Win. Mag. I'd be Happy as I do have a 7 mm Rem. Mag. I don't need the Former..
AK

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Originally posted by 900 SS:
I think its impossible to notice any difference between a 30-06 with 180 grainers and a 7mm mag and 175 grainers.

On game at reasonable distances and similar bullets.

We shot two antelope in the same place last year, my partner shot with 30-06 one day and I with 7mm magnum the next. The shots were nearly identical and the antelope fell within 50 feet of each other. No difference that I could see...

742 Remington carbine in 3006, Remington 700 classic in 300 Weatherby, Winchester mod 70 stainless in 7mm Remington mag, Hs precision Lightweight in 300 wsm. The cartidges are more alike than different but the rifle are significantly different. Enjoyed them all,love carrying the Hs Precision.

Not much, I shoot the 300 Win and use 190-200 gr bullets except for deer, then a 150gr with the velocity backed off to around 3100fps.
It is important to use an action for the 300Win that is long enough to seat the bullet at the base of the neck. Of couse the 7mm would benifit the same with anything bigger than 140 grain bullets.

The 30 caliber can send a 200 or 220 gr. bullet down range faster..Bottom line is the 30 is a bigger gun, thats the way it works, the 338 is a bigger hammer than the 300..

Folks seem to want to make a given caliber more than it is and sometimes you can come close but never a ceeegar! and you have to do it at more pressure etc, etc.

The most deceitful invention in the world is the chronograph when used properly, it blows so many idealistic hats off..

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Originally posted by Wstrnhuntr:
I thought about posting a pic of the massive exit hole through a 3' diameter tree stump from my 45-70 with a 350 gn cast load and asking how that fares in the category of "brush buster"..

That would depend on whether you hit whatever you were shooting at on the OTHERSIDE of the stump



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