I have a Ruger #1 in 06 that I'm rebarreling into a 35??

I wen't with a 1/14 twist Hart barrel. I'm hearing from a few "friends" that I should have went with 1/12. I'm really interested in 225-250gr bullets with occasional higher weight or lower weights. But the overwhelming majority will be 225-250gr.

I'm not feeling like I erred in 1/14 twist. What say you??

Second question: Was originally going 35 Whelen but aftter fingering the Nosler reloaidng manual....came across the 35 Norma and began drooling...I don't know why but just did!

Anyone shooting the 35 Norma?? I'm guessing the animal will not know the difference and nor will the paper.

I have the Whelen Ackley Improved, and prefer it for the stronger 40° shoulder it has. Mine is 1 in 14 and does fine with 275 Hawks, 250 Noslers and even the 225 Accubond, which is long. The 358 Norma Mag would increase velocity even more, so 14" twist would be even more stable in that chambering. Unless you're hunting elephants with 300 gr mono-metal solids, the 14 inch twist is all you need.

Why stop with the 358 Norma? Go with the 358 Shooting Times Alaskan. It will walk all over the Norma Mag.

Don't you have to mess with the extractor going to the larger case head diameter?

My 2 cents is go the 35 Whelen - plain or Imp.

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Originally posted by MuskegMan:
Don't you have to mess with the extractor going to the larger case head diameter?

My 2 cents is go the 35 Whelen - plain or Imp.

X 2 roger

I think you will be fine with the 1/14 twist with a 35 Cal. Some of the older Rugers 358 Win's had 1/16 and worked OK with 225 grain bullets. That said, the older I get, the more I appreciate my slower, bigger calibers 358 Win and 9.3x62 (my newest rifle). Yeah, the 250 to 300 yard limits require that I get closer to my prey which, in times past, they called hunting. Not dissing mags and long range hunting (I've got a magnum and longer range smaller caliber) but I've really like the slower calibers. I'd throw 35 Whelen in this class as well. Good luck on your new build.

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Originally posted by MuskegMan:
Don't you have to mess with the extractor going to the larger case head diameter?

My 2 cents is go the 35 Whelen - plain or Imp.

That was my belief. I haven't discussed with the smith yet. Wanted to throw it out here and see others experiences.

My 35 Whelen (in a Ruger M77 MKII) has a Shilen barrel with 1-14 twist.

Handles both the 225 and 250 grs like a dream.
Favourite bullet is 250 grs Woodleigh RN.
Prints clover leafes all day long

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35 Whelen is a great and simple choice if you go with any of the magnum varieties you are looking at opening the bolt face, opening the feed rails and a different follower and spring and maybe magazine box work or change.
I'd go 35 Whelen and if that ain't enough go improved on it.
If you want a magnum its cheaper to start with one.
Good luck on your project its all about fun.

He's rebarreling a Ruger No. 1.

I love my Whelen.. But I have to admit, I too like the Norma variation. But I expect brass and dies are more readily available for the Whelen.

What are you going to be hunting with it? The Whelen is a fabulous Elk round if that is your quarry. Very underrated.

Personaly I wouldnt bother with the improved version on a Whelen. If you want more you might take a look at the Gibbs variation, or I think there is one similar called the Brown Whelen. ?? Its been a while since Ive looked at them. But something like that should give close to Norma like performance from an 06 case.

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Originally posted by Rojelio:
He's rebarreling a Ruger No. 1.

Ya, I like em!! But they sure seem to be well under MOA or basically 3MOA rifles from the factory.

I have a 35Whelen AI on a Stiller Predator action and it's very impressive rifle. Love that round! I'm comfortable hunting anything on this continent with it.

This is fun project....and It''s probably be a standard 35 Whelen. Just not 100% sure yet.

I use to have a 35Whelen in aRem 700 1in 16 twist. Stabalised the 250 grian bullets alright. I now have a Walther barrel 1 in 14 on it so I can stabalise the Woodleigh 275 grain pilss.

I would go the 358 Norma mag or 35 Sambar. I do have a Ruger Mk2 77 in 35 Sambar and can't sit the 275 grain pills out far enough to get enough powder in to match the Norma. Avoid the Ruger bolt actions rough and sticky, hard to work the bolt fast. In the Number 1 you can have a long lead and seat any long pill way out.

What is the 35 Sambar?
I've never noticed Ruger actions to be rough and I've had lots of them.

Is there a reason to go with a slower than 12 twist?
Swift says use a 12 twist for the 280 grain.

I have never had a problem with 1:14 for 200-250 grain bullets. Don't know about anything lighter or heavier.

Lou

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
What is the 35 Sambar?

35 WSM

There is a reason the 30-06 is as popular as it is all these years...and the same could be said about the 35 Whelen...it just won't die, and for a very good reason. Both get the job done without all the fuss and neither are boring. You will never tire of the Whelen..but you might with the others. I have a custom 35 Whelen Mark Bansner built for me, on a Ruger RS barreled action and one of his Hi-Tech stocks, oh maybe 18-20 years ago and it would be the very last rifle I would ever part with. Nostalgia, it's great.

1) .358 Win
2) .358 Norma Mag
3) .35 Whelen
4) .358 STA

There isn't much game that can take a 35 and keep on going. It's a great round.

So I'm a little nervous because the barrel seems like it's going to be tooo thick for the Ruger 1 stock. Will have to get it to the smith to know for sure.

Good think time isn't an issue for me.

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
What is the 35 Sambar?
I've never noticed Ruger actions to be rough and I've had lots of them.

As DenisB said a WSM case necked up to 358.

I have had several Ruger 77 and not had a good one yet. Built like a T34, tough and strong as but as rough as. No more of them for me as I seem to get the ones made on a Monday or Friday.

I have used the .358 Norma and love it. Everything the .338 Winchester should have been. The trajectory of the 180-grain .30-06 loads with a 250-grain bullet, or better yet, use the 225-grain Barnes TSX for a great long-range heavy-hitter. Oh, buy the way, did I say I really like the .358 Norma?

Any of the bigger 35's will do the trick. #5 yrs ago I was using 250gr bullets in my Norma Mag, then I started using 225 NP and 300 Barnes originals. We have a Swift Rep at Cinder River Lodge 1 year and I switched to 280 Swifts and that all I have used since. But here I am swageing Hornady 9.3 286gr'ers down to .358 on this blizzardy day,I'll give them a whirl on our late season moose hunt here in Unit 9B. Jim

Why stop at 358STA? 358 Ultra mag!

My 35 is a 358NM and has given excellent performance with 250 grs Hornady SPs @ 2600 fps. Could probably have them loaded hotter but my hunting is at reasonable ranges and recoil starts being a factor in a relatively light rifle. I have switched to 250 grs Norma Oryx since the 180-grainers have performed so well in 30-06, have however not shot anything yet with the 250s. Don't worry about brass, most of mine carry the 338WM stamp. I have no experience with the Whelen, but I have no reason to doubt all the praise it receives. Thinking about it, in your shoes I would probably have gone for the Whelen since I am a cheap bxxxxrd and would be looking to avoid the cost of the extractor job.

Frankly, all I'd ever need for my hunting and shooting fun is a vanilla 06. But all the choices we have as relaoders especially, keeps me happy as hell and content! I love bouncing from rifle to rifle and caliber to caliber.

This thread solidifies that!!

The 35 cal. is an excellent choice. I cannot speak for the 35 Whelen as I don't have one. But I do have all of these, 358 winchester,35 Remington,350 Remington Mag,358 Norma,358 Ackley,358 STA and 2 358/300 Ultra Mag Imp. As for which I think it would be the 358 STA. Mine is built on a Rem 700 Action Shilen S/S 24" barrel with brake and McMillian stock shoots 225 gr. Nos B/T old whelen bullet into 3/4 Moa. There all great rounds but the STA is my hands down pick.

My son and I have shot two .358 STA's for ten years from Alaska to Africa and testify that they are fine for the North American dangerous game and African plains game. Big bullet goin fast with accuracy that would please the most particular. We have brakes on ours but if you don't like recoil stay on the porch. Good shooting.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
Is there a reason to go with a slower than 12 twist?
Swift says use a 12 twist for the 280 grain.

14 might be a bit better for lighter bullets, not sure. Mine is 14 and I am very pleased with it and there are members who use 14 for 290 gn cast loads. The old Rem 700's that were 16 were rediculous, not so good for heavier bullets.

I shoot a 35ai your twist is ok 225gr work real well on ak. moose maybe your barrel didnt read the book on proper twist rates I have seen that beforeI had 30 cal.with a 1-9 twist and it only liked 168s Kevin

I have a 35 Whelen with a 1:14 and it has been accurate with 180 through 259 grain bullets. I have not gone any heavier than 250 but I know some who have heavier and have had no trouble with the 1:14.