Is there anybody producing factory 30-06 ammo loaded with a sturdy big game bull in 200-220 gr? Something suited for grizzly say. I was hoping Nosler was putting them out with the partition or accubond but could not find it on their website.

That old Remington 220 load has killed many a big bear. The Lapua looks like a good one too. The other two loads are with very frangible long range bullets and not for grizzlies.

Mark

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Originally posted by Bobster:
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Thank you! I really thought I had looked, apparently, I needed to simplify my search!!!

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
That old Remington 220 load has killed many a big bear. The Lapua looks like a good one too. The other two loads are with very frangible long range bullets and not for grizzlies.

Mark

Thank you!

just load your own... 59GNS of R26 behind a 220 partition gives me a vel of 2600 from a 24 inch tube...the recoil is significantly more pronounced then with my 200 gn partitions @2700
So i think it would be a very good load
the 220 gn Remington loads are so underloaded its not funny

I load what ever 220gr RN bullet I can get in my 06 scout rifle.

So far I have used Rem, Hornaday, Noslers.

At 2300 fps a lot of hogs and a few bears have fallen to it.

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Originally posted by M 98:
just load your own... 59GNS of R26 behind a 220 partition gives me a vel of 2600 from a 24 inch tube...the recoil is significantly more pronounced then with my 200 gn partitions @2700
So i think it would be a very good load
the 220 gn Remington loads are so underloaded its not funny

I'm not confident enough in my reloads to depend on them with bears.

The 200 gr. Nosler Accubond is as good as the Nosler partition, I've shot a lot of big stuff,enough that I use that load for about everything..Eland, Kudu, Moose, elk, deer large and small,a charlois bull, sez more than enough penetration for Grizzly bear shot at a reasonable angle. I've not shot a bear but the penetration on Moose, bull, and eland is proof in the pudding of that bullets superiority..

i cant tell you that the nosler partition in 200gr with the 30-06 is a great combo for our little bears but we never recovered a bullet. and really little damages to the meat as well.

I'm showing my age, but I wish Winchester was still producing their old 220 grain Silvertip ammunition.

180 grain Partition's have a proven track record on big bears too. That said, I'm with Ray on the 200 gr Accubonds as a suitable alternative.
I've seen an '06 or two that got finicky about 200 & 220 gr bullets. I had Sedgley and a Winchester 70 that keyholed 220s.
It's doubly hard to find what your gun performs best with if you're not handloading.

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Originally posted by TREE 'EM:
180 grain Partition's have a proven track record on big bears too. That said, I'm with Ray on the 200 gr Accubonds as a suitable alternative.
I've seen an '06 or two that got finicky about 200 & 220 gr bullets. I had Sedgley and a Winchester 70 that keyholed 220s.
It's doubly hard to find what your gun performs best with if you're not handloading.

I agree totally about finding a modern non custom that will shoot the 190+ gr bullets well. I will see what this Bergara does. Nosler offers some 180's I believe.

This is the 100 meter factory test target for my Voere Titan II in .30-06 caliber. This is the same rifle as the one Kleinguenther's imported and sold under the name "K-15 Insta-Fire".



This target was fired in 1985 and measures 0.442 inch. The rifling twist is standard 1 turn in 10 inches.

The rifle still shoots this well; however, as I say, Winchester no longer makes the ammunition.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
I'm showing my age, but I wish Winchester was still producing their old 220 grain Silvertip ammunition.

used them in 300hh and 300 weatherby mag and im not even 60 years old lol ...

You’re only as old as you feel, right?

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
You’re only as old as you feel, right?

well i m far from feeling old so all is good lol

Load some 220 gr Sierra RN, they are great, and are "tougher" than the Hornady 220 gr.

also 220 Noslers are great.

Factory loads I only know of Norma 200 grs - quite stout I believe. The Norma Oryx is sometimes dubbed a poor man's premium; for sure it has never failed me. I have no hunting experience with the 200 grs bullet. I believe Norma developed it for the bigger animals (moose and bear).

The other is the 220 grs Sako Hammerhead. Also no experience.... Generally, I have been pleased with the Hammerhead if the velocities are moderate. Say up to ca. 2500 fps (e.g. 8 mm and 9,3 mm).

- Lars/Finland

One bullet that hasn't been mentioned, but the .308 bullet I'd choose for the bigger bears, is the 200-grain Swift A-Frame. It is fully bonded with a heavy partition and can be expected to retain most of its weight, expand well, and penetrate deeply. These are readily available to handloaders. Loaded ammunition with this bullet can be found via some diligent Googling--mainly from the smaller, more niche, suppliers like Hendershot's (link below).

https://www.swiftbullets.com/p...rifle-bullets-cal-32

https://www.swiftbullets.com/c...-frame-rifle-bullets

https://hendershots.net/produc...extreme-custom-ammo/

For loaded ammunition, I think the Norma 200-grain Oryx load, noted above by Schauckis, would also be a good bet. The Oryx is a bonded-core bullet and seems to get good reviews from what I've read. Googling will get you to a source for this. One I found is:

https://rainsammoandgunshop.co...sprg-200-gr-200-rds/

https://www.norma-ammunition.c...308-200gr---20676391

That Brown Bear hunt stays at the top of my bucket list. Should life ever offer me the opportunity - my go-to bullet would be the Swift 220 A Frame.

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my go-to bullet would be the Swift 220 A Frame.

Good choice for a 30caliber

I shot a couple of deer and two cow elk with the Hornady 190 gr. spitzer. Its a hard bullet and it kills well enough..I still prefer the 180 gr Nosler Partition and the 200 gr. Nosler Accubond on elk and such..

I took a 9.5 Brown Bear at Cold Bay Alaska with a 200 grain Nosler Partition round nose loaded to 2900 fps with my .300 Winny. A one shot bang flop result at 90 yards head on with the Bear Standing looking at me. Perfect results and I proceeded to collect several more boxes of that bullet over the years just in case I needed it again. The bullet did not penetrate completely through. Good Shooting.

I have a friend who shoots 220 RN in his 30-06. When asked why he uses 220's he replies because they don't sell 230's!!! LOL! I had to share that.

There's always the 180 grain TSX, which shoots through almost everything.

I bought some Hornady factory loads with 220gr round nose. They were made for the European market but i guess they made it to Canada as there was not much to chose from post pandemic. All the data on the box was in metric, but iirc the muzzle velocity was around 2300 fps.

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Originally posted by KevinNY:
There's always the 180 grain TSX, which shoots through almost everything.

My experience as well…

Well they make a 250 gr for extremist!! I have one I caught in a catchers mete..

Ray, the twist on most 300’s and 30-06 rifles I have tested won’t stabilize the heavy 250 gr bullets .

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Originally posted by airgun1:
I have a friend who shoots 220 RN in his 30-06. When asked why he uses 220's he replies because they don't sell 230's!!! LOL! I had to share that.

I have a box of Barnes originals in .308 with a weight of 250 grains on the shelf. I have not tried them in 30-06, I was saving them for the .300 H + H.

Phil,
Ive never shot 250 in a 30-06 but I shot a couple of Mule deer with the old Speer 170 RN in my 270 Win pre 64 and it stabilized to my surprise. However its folly to go beyond 220 in the 30-06 and the 160 in the 270. I decided long ago the 06 with 180s and the 270 with 130s worked well indeed and only recently went with the 200 gr Accubond in the 06 at the same velocity as the 180 that being 2700 to 2800 FPS max,

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Originally posted by buckeyeshooter:

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Originally posted by airgun1:
I have a friend who shoots 220 RN in his 30-06. When asked why he uses 220's he replies because they don't sell 230's!!! LOL! I had to share that.

I have a box of Barnes originals in .308 with a weight of 250 grains on the shelf. I have not tried them in 30-06, I was saving them for the .300 H + H.

The old Barnes round-nose 250-grain .308 bullet is 1.42" long. According to the JBM Ballistics stability calculator they should be easily stabilized with room to spare in the 10-twist barrel that almost all 30-06 rifles have.

With most slow powders in the IMR 7828 general range, they could be loaded to about 2400 fps, with 3200 ft.-lbs. ME, in a 30-06 with 22-inch barrel. With their incredible sectional density of .376, I think that they would--along with the excellent bonded Woodleigh 240-grain RN .308 bullet--penetrate deeply and perform very well on the big bears at ranges of 200 yards or less.

A somewhat related question(s):

What is the rate of twist on an original pre-64 M70 barrel and how would 200’s and 220’s shoot with the proper load? Not that I’ll ever need to shoot anything heavier than 180’s but I have a couple of boxes of 200’s and 220’s just sitting around collecting dust.

Thanks,

JDG

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Originally posted by Doublegun:
A somewhat related question(s):

What is the rate of twist on an original pre-64 M70 barrel and how would 200’s and 220’s shoot with the proper load? Not that I’ll ever need to shoot anything heavier than 180’s but I have a couple of boxes of 200’s and 220’s just sitting around collecting dust.

Thanks,

JDG

Almost certainly 1:10. See below. 200-gr. and 220-gr. will be fully stabilized and should shoot well with the right load.

https://www.go2gbo.com/threads...70-winchester.34925/

My 30-06 is a Win pre64 fwt and it shoots 1.5" with a 220 Rem and i" average of 5 groups last I tested it some years ago, sight in last year was about 1.5 to 3/4s with the 200 Accubond and the same with the 150 Accubond. All 3 shot groups..

It looks like stainless but it just worn out and short on blue and the stock resembles driftwood, Its a love affair with "Lucky"rifle..

A 250 gr bullet in the 30-06 will not turn it into a 318 W-Richards. But a 200-220 gr Nosler partition
in an 06 will move along and outdo a .318 on tough game.

I also have found that 180 gr A-Frame Swifts will
kill most anything in North America, Canada or Africa, I have used 225 gr original Barnes bullets which work. The 200 gr Hawks work well on soft skinned game. The Nosler partition in all heavier
bullet weights really work, time after time on
elk, moose, and bears.

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Originally posted by buckeyeshooter:

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Originally posted by airgun1:
I have a friend who shoots 220 RN in his 30-06. When asked why he uses 220's he replies because they don't sell 230's!!! LOL! I had to share that.

I have a box of Barnes originals in .308 with a weight of 250 grains on the shelf. I have not tried them in 30-06, I was saving them for the .300 H + H.

The old Barnes round-nose 250-grain .308 bullet is 1.42" long. According to the JBM Ballistics stability calculator they should be easily stabilized with room to spare in the 10-twist barrel that almost all 30-06 rifles have.

With most slow powders in the IMR 7828 general range, they could be loaded to about 2400 fps, with 3200 ft.-lbs. ME, in a 30-06 with 22-inch barrel. With their incredible sectional density of .376, I think that they would--along with the excellent bonded Woodleigh 240-grain RN .308 bullet--penetrate deeply and perform very well on the big bears at ranges of 200 yards or less.

Thank you for the tip!

Well fun and games being over I see no reason to shoot 220 or heavier bullets in the 30=06, the 180 Nosler partition or 200 gr Accubond will out penetrate, shoot Flater, internal damage is more, end of story. applicable to the 30-06 only in this thread.

Barnes is a competitor however I like the Nosler's best, based on my observations on game killed..

My experience with the Accubond long range is that it is not a very tough bullet. The plain accubond is good. The remington core locked bullet is also good, but the QC might be a bit debatable lately.

If I was going for grizzly with an 06 I would be choosing either the Swift A frame or the Nosler partition. Honestly, I wouldn't be upset if I had to use the 180 grain version of either of the two, although I do think the heavier ones penetrate a bit more.

As to stabilization, that's bullet length. The 220 spitzers and the heavier monometal bullets might have issues in a standard twist 06. I wouldn't worry about RN or semi spitzer lead core bullets.

I know the Northfork 220 grain FPS does not stabilize in my Steyr .308 Scout, but the old 220 Woodleigh FMJ did. However, I think that has a 1-12 twist on it.

Bears are big and pretty strong, but they are not with super heavy bone or impenetrable. Shoot them in the right spot and they die.