Rich, That's the ammunition I just ordered, the 285gr PP softs.

Beibs

That ammo was left over when the Blaser went bye bye :-)

My Simson M98 - over 100 years old!

That is with a Leupold 2-7X - 5 very quick shots as fast as possible - off hand at 50 meters. I just love that rifle.

Surefire,
It ain't so!! so there ya go I just purchased that Husky 9.3x62 from Bill in Oregon off the AR Classified, so I won't be gilflurted and stringhaultered by the likes of the AR gang of 9.3x62 Officiendos!! Thanks guys, I feel better now.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Surefire,
It ain't so!! so there ya go I just purchased that Husky 9.3x62 from Bill in Oregon off the AR Classified, so I won't be gilflurted and stringhaultered by the likes of the AR gang of 9.3x62 Officiendos!! Thanks guys, I feel better now.

Phew! I feel better now too.

Ray has another 9.3x62 in the stable, and the world is spinning in greased groves again.

The universe is in equilibrium once again!

Except for one tiny detail remaining. You still have to pay for your sins for selling your Haugh 35 Whelen Ray. Come back from the dark side before it's too late. Go to the light, go to the light...

I loved that Haugh, it handled so nice, but it wasn't drilled and tapped and that would require a bolt change and the wood cut..It also shot 2 inch groups which was a surprise..and I had a weak moment, and you know I can put the world in a spin at times even on AR when I get caught flat footed over quoting something I read!! or for quoting a load I use to a certain peronoid individual who guards the reloader section..Age and boredom is the villain that is the causation of old age or visa versa.

I had a 9.3x62 CZ that I regret selling to this day. Very accurate. One of the best things about the 9.3x62 is that it forces you to stalk into 250 meters, or less. You have to be a hunter, not just a marksman. I know that the style is to have a short barrel for shooting off of a stand (Battue), but I really liked having 24" of barrel. It was just fine for close in work, and held steady for those occasional 200 meter shots from the off hand position.

The 9.3mm bore size is the genius part of the equation; it makes a big hole for blood to spurt out, and cold air to rush in, while at the same time there is enough sectional density to get through and through shots. Because the velocity is relatively low, there is no bloodshot meat, or any "hand grenade" effect of splinters if a bone is struck. The advent of premium bullets has made that happy state of affairs, even more gleeful. The recoil of the 9,3x62 is relatively bearable for the vast majority of hunters.

I have a Sako AV (short tang, angular stock) that came in 30-06, and now has a 9.3x66 barrel as well. Maybe it's time to add a 9.3x62 barrel to the mix. I'll probably just convert a Mauser action from 7.92x57 to 9.3x62. 24" barrel, of course.

A great bushveld calibre and still popular here in SA. Legislation prohibiting the 9.3 but permitting the 375 in some jurisdictions did cost it some popularity.

I have just acquired my first; a Husqvarna.

The calibre is highly regarded by Doctari (not as a stopper) and was a favourite of Ganyana. Rifles for Africa author Gregor Woods is also very keen on it..... enough said.

I like it as my plains game rifle inside 200m and I am looking forward to using it. You will like it I'm sure.

Got my 9.3x62 from Bill in Oregon, one of our finest, and it was as described and in excellent shape..Now I had buckets of brass and bullets, and loaded ammo and dies,enough for a lifetime. so set up my target at the house cleaned the bore and got ready to testfire, Hola, no ammo, no bullets, no brass, can't find one round, have no clue but probably sold it on AR, crap! oh well bit the bullet and order 200 PPU cases and 100 bullets yesterday..sometimes life sucks, but this to shall come to pass!

Hey...the 9.3 x 62 is a cool shooter.

I built my 9.3x62 a few years back using a VZ-24 Mauser action basically because I was feeling a bit left out and I was quickly running out of other calibers to build. 23.6" Lothar-Walther barrel.

I made cases out of R-P '06, 270 W, 35 Whelan and RWS cases because that was all I could find or had on hand. The R-P fired cases measured 75gr and the RWS 76 gr H20. I put a trigger guard on that had more length so I could seat out to 3.35".

I used 270 gr Speers, 285/6 PRVI and 286 Horns for load development. Varget, RL-15 and AA2520(CFE223 might be a good one also but It wasn't available at the time) powders and FED GM primers. All three powders gave velo/pressures/accuracy very close together, 2550-2600fs and ~58KPSI, 3 shot, 1/2" to 3/4" accuracy/125 yds. The 285/6 PRVI-286 Horns basically did the same but ~100-150fs less velo and 1.5 gr less powder, 2450-2500fs and a tad more pressure but below 60KPSI and a couple thou ABOVE SAAMI spec for the 9.3...so

Lets agree to disagree a bit...I really can't see much other than hair splitting between the 9.3 and .375 bullet diameters or the few gr variation in powder volume in the '06 size cases, EXCEPT for the area used by the bullet diameter which can add some volume comparing a .308 dia to a .336 or .375 which CAN add ~10-12 gr H20 and add to the dust up if you look at it slightly off center.

I also have .375's in H&H and Ruger and a JDJ short case version and have compared the several .375-(06), Whelan, Hawk-Scovall, 380 Howell, and Brown-Whelan's against each other, and 338-06 variants, WITHOUT seeing much more than a modicum of increase/decrease in ballistics, through all bullet weights except by splitting hairs...any game animal won't know the difference.

I think it boils down to personal preference and the need to Prove "my dog is better than yours" or maybe just pride in ownership.

My 26" 375 JDJ with a case volume of ~68 gr H20 gives me ~2800 fs with a 235 gr Horn, 2500 fs with a 250 GK and 24-2450 with a 270 gr Midway RN second with less of a faster burning powder....BUT all my reloads are optimized as to cartridge COAL, bullet length, mag length and all the rest of the variations...AND CHRONOED so I know whatthehe**andwhy. My 338-06 tosses a 225 gr bullet at 2750-2800 fs without much fuss...and so on.

I definitely like my 9.3...it stands behind my easy TV watching chair close at hand along with one of the 45 cal cannons and a 12 ga double in case T-RexRatz decide to invade, and it does yeoman duty during squirrel season along with a small cal just to keep my visual perspective and trigger finger tuned.

It's a fine old cartridge with a great history that is just as useful today as it was back in 1905 when it was first developed...It's just been newly discovered, relatively speaking, here in the new world.

LUCK

My own personal 9.3x62 is a Sako Black Bear sporting a 20" barrel, which I at least think is more than adequate for what is essentially a 250yd cartridge.
Synthetic stock, fluted barrel and light weight rounds out my portability requirements for a rifle that is carried in thick, wet, forested mountain conditions for use on a large/medium sized deer, the Sambar.

Got home this afternoon after several days in the "hills" with another success story for the Black Bear !!!!

The 9.3 just plain knocks them flat !!!

got my 9.3 wednesday. thanks to Biebs ! now to get the rings ready and start cleaning out the t-rex infecting my back yard. lop is a bit much but not really a hard fix. life is getting better, only took 6 years to find the right one.

The Husky I got from Bill had a 15 inch pull, and the factory stock had about 10 coats of varnish and bulky as a truck load of logs but as Bill described. I decided to pull the pad, cut the stock to 13-3/4 for normal human use. I hear the previous owner was a Neanderthal! ..Guess what? it was glassed on,including the hardened screws, two hours later it was off, pad ruined, hacksaw blade shot, but a new pad back on, and enough wool left for next years winter, but why stop now! so I stripped it down, reshaped it with the removal of about 3 lbs. of XX walnut, drilled out the brass rod cross bolts, installed proper cross bolts and added a small schnable forend as any Germanic rifle should have, and IM in the process of a egg shell satin finish, Damn Im liking this gun, lean and mean and sweet..Oh yeah waiting for a steel grip cap, and tuned the trigger up a bit. Somewhere in Idaho, Colorado or Canada there is a bull elk just waiting for its baptism... Thanks Bill.

Sounds great Ray. I know you can't, but I wish you could post pictures of the final product. (Wish I could post pictures too!)

If I got any smarter, everybody would be pissed off at me! so Ive never learned to post pics, never even tried very hard. I see no point in learning much more at 83 it would be a waste of what little functioning grey matter I have still working.

You guys!, get out of the box with this picture thing, if I can do it so can you it is very simple......

Ray, my Mother figured it out. If she can, I'm sure you can too.

It would save you a ton of grief in the long run. Besides, most here kinda like seeing your rifles.

It takes the smarts of a chimpanzee to post pictures. That is never the issue with AR members; I have found most of them to have at least the IQ of a chimp. It is not smarts that is lacking; it is giving a sh*t.

OK Ray, we've been tried and convicted.

I think we really need to learn this picture posting thing. It'd be great.

You learn first, and then PM me with the steps.

I'm right behind you.

Well, on second thought, if you learn how to post pictures, I'll just have you post mine.

Gee, thanks Ray!

You first need to set up a photobucket, Picasa or similar account and load your photos on photobucket. Then you copy & paste and link here on AR.

What I need to learn is how to embed a video from Youtube

Surefire,
Im one of the chimps that doesn't give a shit.

Nakihunter,

Thanks for the thought and offer of help.

You are welcome sir

Biebs--try John Barness's loads with RL-15 and 250 grain Nosler Accubonds (if you can find them). They shoot bugholes in my Ruger African. Good luck!

I shot RL-15 for years and its a great powder for the 9.3x62, but the new RL-17 performs better in all catagories, but not by a hell of a lot, Im getting about 100 FPS faster with any bullet, and I suppose every little bit counts. Main problem is I have probably 200 plus another recent 200 cases loaded up with RL-15 max loads. but my 5 lbs of RL-17 is patiently waiting..

My 9.3x66 Sako Magnum/370 Sako Magnum, is not really a magnum. It is however, the gun that the 9.3x62 should have been all along. Errki Kaupi, the ballistics director for Sako, came up with the cartridge back in the 1990s. He was able to shove some more powder into the extra 4mm of available space. It gets you 1/2 way from the 9.3x62 toward its bigger brother, the 375 equivalent 9.3x64 Brenneke. The 9.3 x66 works well with the 286-grain Partition, the Barnes 286-grain solid, and gets medium class game with the 250-grain Accubond. I (have factory load data from Erkki if anyone is interested.

All these 9.3 stories are making me get itchy to get my own going.

Still kicking around between building it off a spare 98 that's rough below the wood line, or reboring the Mod 70 Classic 25-06. I bought the Winchester FOR that purpose.... but its tempting to use the mauser instead. It's already been sporterized. Have a nice FN 98 as well, which I've considered, but I bought that for a 10.75x68mm. Of course the wrench in that plan was buying a magnum 98 action and having a
423 barrel laying around. A 404 is SOOO much easier to get components for. I've got 10.75 reamers and dies, but the brass is formed 375 H&H. Iffin' I was logical, the mag goes 404, the FN goes 9.3x62.

But logic and gun looney-ness aren't bed fellows!!

I have a new batch of 9.3 Oberndorf contour barrels in stock. I mean in inventory.

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I have a new batch of 9.3 Oberndorf contour barrels in stock. I mean in inventory.

That is very tempting

I would put this barrel on & get the gunsmith to round off the front half of the barrel like the old German classics. http://www.lothar-walther.com/278.php

Do one in 9.3X62 and one in 404 Jeffery!

You will never regret it!

I am a sucker for nostalgia.

Her is my Simson 9.3 again (pre 1912)

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Originally posted by dpcd:
I have a new batch of 9.3 Oberndorf contour barrels in stock. I mean in inventory.

dpcd put one together for me and it is an excellent barrel. and boy does it shoot. he's making me a twin in 7x57. at least once he quits fooling around with jeeps that is...

I like your Simpson..my kinda gun.

Lawndart -

I would love factory load data for the 9.3x66. I got the 9.3x62 and scratched it. Looking at 9.3x66 load data will get me over the hump to ordering a chamber reamer and barrel.

Any other information about the cartridge will be most welcome too.

I'll PM you as well.

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9.3x66

The 9.3x66 Sako

By Chuck Hawks


In performance, the new 9.3x66 Sako cartridge is in-between the existing 9.3x62 and 9.3x64 Brenneke. Factory load ballistics call for a 286 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2559 fps. This compares to a factory load MV of 2360 fps for the 9.3x62 and 2650-2690 fps for the 9.3x64 with the same weight bullets. Whether the world is clamoring for yet another 9.3mm cartridge is a moot point.

The 9.3x66 is based on a case with a standard .473" rim diameter and the new Sako creation has an overall cartridge length of 3.34". This makes it adaptable to rifles with standard (.30-06) length actions. Other particulars of the new cartridge include a case length of 2.59", a base diameter of .470", a 34 degree shoulder angle and a shoulder diameter of .450". Bullet diameter is .366" (9.3mm). Visually this is a typical modern rimless cartridge with a short neck, minimal body taper and a sharp shoulder.

Thus far Sako has not seen fit to offer 9.3x66 rifles and ammunition in the U.S., although I have read that they are selling moderately well in Europe. None of the major U.S. reloading manuals include the 9.3x66mm Sako, so trustworthy reloading data is hard to come by. In addition, reloading dies would probably have to be custom made. If I were developing loads for a 9.3x66 rifle, I'd probably start with recommended 9.3x62mm loads and work up from there, chronographing and watching carefully for signs of excess pressure as I went.

The 9.3x66 has a very small shoulder and the reloader must be careful to maintain proper headspacing during the resizing operation. This is why the other modern medium bore cartridges, such as the .338 Win. Mag., .358 Norma Mag. and .350 Rem. Mag. all use a belted case. Any of these cartridges are probably a safer choice for the casual reloader than the 9.3x66 Sako.


RELOADERS NEST SOURCE

Load 9725 in caliber 9.3x66 Sako

LoadID 9725
Bullet Barnes X
BulletWeight 286 grs
Powder Vihtavuori N560
PowderWeight 71 grs
Primer
Brass Make Sako
Barrel Length (inches)
C.O.L (inches)
Velocity 2542 fps
Group (inches by 3 shot at 100 yds)
Submitted Date 12/18/2004 10:44:00 PM
Submitted By Snorre
Gun Info
Comment From: Sako homepage

Energy 4095 ft-lbs
TKO 38.01
OGW 2015 lbs
IPSC PF 727.01

RECOIL DATA


9.3x57, 232 grain bullet at 2330 fps in 8.5 pound rifle = 19.8 ft. lbs.
9.3x62, 286 grain bullet at 2360 fps in 8.5 pound rifle = 29.6 ft. lbs.
9.3x74R, 286 grain bullet at 2360 fps in 9.0 pound rifle = 28.7 ft. lbs.
9.3x66, 286 grain bullet at 2559 fps in 9.0 pound rifle = 36.3 ft. lbs.
9.3x64, 286 grain bullet at 2690 fps in 9.0 pound rifle = 40.6 ft. lbs.
.375 H&H, 300 grain bullet at 2530 fps in 9.0 pound rifle = 37.3 ft. lbs.

I get 2513 to 2525 with a 286 gr, bullet, that's the time honored Zimbabwe legal load, has been since the regulations were formed..It meets the required specs of energy as I recall..Its also been the most accurate load in all my guns. I got there with RL-15 and got a bit more with RL-17 by about 50 FPS and with a bullet that heavy 50 FPS has some value.

wile at lgs this week i saw a mark 5 with double set triggers, iron sights, in 9.3x64. guy said it was made for export and never listed state side. typical web. type stock, contrasting wood forend and grip cap, anybody ever seen one before?

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Originally posted by domit:
wile at lgs this week i saw a mark 5 with double set triggers, iron sights, in 9.3x64. guy said it was made for export and never listed state side. typical web. type stock, contrasting wood forend and grip cap, anybody ever seen one before?

Yes, on the Weatherby owners website that's from Denmark ( I believe). If I remember correctly it's called the Euro.

A better description of the 9.3x62 is its like a .375 with 14 less grs. of bullet.

That is based on my handload for the 375 H&H for buffalo and that's a 300 gr. bullet at 2400 to 2500, at that velocity the 375 performs better than the 2640 FPS its capable off. According to me and Doctori and others Ive talked to the somewhat slower velocity is easier on bullets and adds to penetration in the .375 H&H...I believe this to be true based on use on buffalo..The 9.3x62 with a 286 gr. bullet at near the same velocity suits me as well, hard to tell the difference between the 9.3 x 62 and a .375 H&H for sure.

Im a big fan of the .375 and the 9.3x62, I like them both with handloaded ammo..with factory ammo I'll always take a .375..

Hello,

I post this in another forum:
I don't "need" another big game rifle. Period. But for many years I was thinking and looking, lightly, for a 9,3x62 bolt action. And, unexpectedly, "my" 9,3x62 did appear!!
Since I bought it, until I got it, 10 days ago, bringing with me in a trip from its original location, in Europe, 8 month passed.
The gun is a BRNO ZKK 600. Made in 1967. Very ligthly used. Being stored most of its life. The changes to make are:
The recoil pad because I don't like it and because is hard and dry...!
The set trigger. I will put the single original trigger, as I did on other BRNOS before.
I have had 3 ZKK 601 .308 Win, the eldest made in 1977. All very good rifles, but this 1967 is entirely another rifle. The fit and finish has nothing to do with these previous ZKK!
I put a Schmidt & Bender 1,5-6x42 N4 reticle in Alaska Arms rings I already had.
Here it is:

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