Lookin for a load with the new 180gr TTSX in my BLR .358win im thinkin i should be able to get at least 2,750fps out of the 20" tube what do you guys think?

2750 fps sounds reasonable. I was able to get 2800 with 185 TTSX from a 338 Federal and 22" barrel. I used 2230 and data from the Barnes manual. The 180 is a newer bullet so I'm not sure how to find data for it.

Can't help with the 180 but had good success with the 200 gr TTSX in Africa last June pushed by 51 gr of TAC in Win 358 brass.

Haven't used the TTSX yet. Only the RN and protected point bulk Remington bullets from Midway USA when they are on sale. They make whitetails go down fast. If you can get more of a good thing the Barnes ought to be great.

Up until now i have only used the 200gr Hornady spire point and rem core-lokt S.P. the rem is a little tougher than the Hornady but both worked well. I just wanted to try something different, and because the BLR has a box mag i want to use a bullet thats more aerodynamic, i would bet that a 150gr TTSX in .358 would also work wonders on deer. The 350 Rem Mag had a 150gr Spire Point factory load for it when it was first introduced, it had a thick jacket for those high velocities. I may try to cut down the TTSX(mini chop saw) to see if i can get a 150 out of it. That would probably be good for 2,900fps out of the .358win and a deer killer supreme.

Dom Not sure why you want to go lighter and faster. The 200 Hornady is pretty good on deer sized game. Rem made a 150 gr for a while then discontinued it. It shed velocity so quick that it was not as effective as the 200 gr is.The 180 TTSX may fill a spot for deer?? I would try some of the ball powders like H335 or X-Terminator. For anything bigger than deer the 200 gr TSX bullet is good as is the 225 gr Accubond.

Dom,

If you want to use the 180 TTSX, just email Barnes for some load data. I'm sure they have load data for it since they probably developed it with the 358 Win in mind.

Thanks guys for the advice, i want to go faster lighter because the monlolithic bullets are very long per weight, the 180gr TTSX is just under 1.25" and deer are not big critters, i think i could go even lighter and not be in any danger against deer. I will have to e-mail Barnes and see what they have to say. I have used TAC with magnum primers in the .358 and it should work with 180's instead of 200's thanks once again....

I think the Barnes 180 gr TTSX over Varget would work quite well for me.

Why go lighter? The mono bullets are fat tougher than cup and core.

I used 180 357 max bullets in mine some 25 years ago worked great

Just ordered some 175 from CEB for use in a 350 Magnum with 18in barrel. I am hoping to get 3000fps. I imagine they would work in a 358 great too.

You guys are hilarious. You shoot elk with 140 and 150 grain bullets from a 270 or 308 but you think you need a 200 grain from a 358 Winchester.

I I could get a 150 grain bullet with a decent BC I would use it on deer out to 250 yards. That isn't going to happen though so the 180 grain is the next up. The 358 is superior to the 308 as far as terminal ballistics is concerned and better with a 180 grain bullet ballistically.

You need to stop listening to the rag writers about it being a short range "woods caliber" and look at the velocities and energy for yourself.

I have loaded and hunted with the .358 Winchester since 1966. I used the 200 Silvertip until Winchester stopped selling them as components.

My late dad made a tool for me to swage a spitzer onto the 180 Speers. I load them over 4198 and 2015.

Now Hornady has a 180 gr SSP.

I didn't understand the stuff about wanting a 200 gr bullet for 358 Win??? I have 180 to 275 in jacketed and 280 gr FP in cast. The bigger bullets are reserved for bigger game.

I have never seen the reasoning in using short fat bullets in the extreme with big bore cartridges such as 175 or 180 grs. in the 358, 338 or 9.3 calibers for instance, they are not now, nor were they ever intended to be high velocity rounds...For example I would much rather shoot a 180 gr. bullet in a 30-06 than in a 358 Win and gain that sectional density and penetration..I talked to a guy the other day that was advocating a 150 gr. monolithic in a 35 Whelan ( I am not aware of such a light 358 caliber bullet ) but that would be basically a short fat bullet with about as much penetration as a round ball.

I realize the monolithic bullets in a lighter weight can have equal or more penetration in some calbers but lets not carry this to the extreme, only in moderation, such as a 150 gr. in a 30-06, an 85 gr. in a 6mm or a 200 gr. in a .338 and I won't argue that, but I see the extreme coming out on these blogs..

I have seen lighter monolithic bullets used on buffalo and I have seen them fail to penetrate to my personal standards wherein the same bullets at say 50 more grains would have been suitable..Even in the 375 H&H I know the 300 gr. Barnes X is a better bullet than the 270 gr. Barnes X..I have seen this more than a few times..but I like two holes on broadside shots and complete or close to complete penetration on lengthwise body shots..The 270 will not do that except on ocassions and I suppose that depends on the type of mass it meets, but you cannot stop a 300 gr. Barnes X I don't believe, or at least I have not seen one stopped on buffalo, and they are awesome on body shot elephant.

Yes, on a cape buffalo I would want a very different bullet than what I use for deer. The 180gr Speer is fine at the velocities of the 358 Win. and If I need more penetration than that bullet provides there are always other bullets of varying weights. I just don't believe that most hunters need a 200 or larger grain bullet for a deer.

I found a small gun shop that had a small supply of Winchester Super X 200 grain Silvertips and I bought the 4 boxes they had in stock. Even though I reload, I couldn't pass up on a classic factory load that was a standard for so many years for this caliber. They have proven to be very accurate in my Ruger M77. I've not tried 180 grain bullets and see no reason to for the game I hunt. My favorite handload for deer, elk and hogs is the 225 grain Nosler Partition over a good dose of Ram Shot TAC.

My use of the .358 Winchester is for deer hunting in the forests of Vermont. I have used my 99F .358 since 1966 there! I am quite familiar with shooting deer there as I got my first buck in those woods in 1953.

I got the 99 .358 for the fun of it!

I practiced and made shots on running deer when necessary. I even helped run running deer matches at our club.

Most of my deer were taken with that 200 gr Silvertip over 3031 loaded to about the factory MV. It's just a soft bullet however it's very deadly on those VT whitetails. That 99F is about as good a woods gun as I can imagine.

Here is that 99. The Styer at the bottom of the picture is also a .358.

I admire all four of those guns Savage99.

Personally I think shooting deer with a well designed 180 gr. bullet from a .358 makes more sense than shooting bull elk with an 87gr. bullet from a 25-35. Perhaps neither will give you two holes. roger

Nice set of rifles Savage 99, tell us more about them.

When I was younger I always looked in the Gun Digest at those mannlichers.

Love the Mannlichers. I have three of them and want more!!!

Use care loading a long pointy bullet in a .358 BLR.

About the time you get the ogive out of the case your load will be so long it either will not fit the magazine or you will not be able to eject a loaded round. Since you cannot pull the bolt on a BLR it is some fun getting a loaded round that it too long released from the extractor.

I have not been able to get good groups with the 180 gr Hornady spirepoints in my BLR 358.
I can get super groups with the 200 gr spirepoints.
Would anyone that shoots good groups with 180 gr bullets share his load data?Thanks