Stopped at my gunsmiths shop today, after shooting.
Looked at some cool stuff, a custom Mauser in .338 06 Ai, some whelens , and a few rifles that were more expensive than i wanted to spend.
Then i looked at an nicely customized Remington 1917 enfield, done long ago buy someone who was very competent.
It is smooth as silk to chamber Cocks on opening has a good after market trigger, a very cool custom stock, an old leupold 3x9, leather sling and is chambered in a very cool old round. the 300 H&H.
I ordered dies and Brass from Midway, But my friend gave me a good deal, on a very old box of Winchester 180 grain Silvertips , i might just keep . Any body ever load for the old Holland and Holland supper 30 ? thanks ...tj3006

I use a 180 grain bullet, whatever brass I can find ( sometimes not easy to find) and H4831. This is a 1970's load from my first Lyman Manual.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...rds=.300+H%26H+loads

What he said...

Three trips to Africa, eleven weeks in all, .300 H&H used to take all plains game except the very largest. Used factory loaded W-W 180 grain Silvertips exclusively. Absolutely no complaints.

TJ I have a 300 H&H also built on an old Rem Enfield action. It shoots everything quite well but 200 gr bullets group under an inch with 7828. I shoot the 200 gr Speers @ targets and the 200 gr Partitions @ game. Those bullets shoot to the same spot.

I load 180 grain Woodleigh Hydros and 220 grain Woodleigh FMJs / RNSNs for buffalo.

Thanks for all the great input !
The 180 grain silver tips are a very good bullet in the 06,i would think they would be better when pushed 200 fps faster.
I have a couple hundred 180 grain partitions on hand. And 220 grain Hornady RNs I used to shoot in a Winchester 1895 SRC 30/40 Kraig. Damn I wish I had that one back.
Craig Bodington Did a good article on the H&H. He loves it.
Thanks Guys ! ...tj3006

My favorite caliber as any of my friends and acquaintances will tell you. I have 4 .300 H&H’s at present and I handload some but mostly shoot factory Hornady 180gr Interbonds. Love that caliber.

I've lost track of how many deer mine has taken but it has also accounted for numerous elk, a few antelope and one caribou, using bullets from 150 to 220 grains. Coupled with a good 180 grain bullet it is a quite suitable for everything in North America.

One of the gentlemen at my old gun club has only two big game rifles. Both pre-64 model 70s, one in 300 H&H and the other a 375 H&H. He has hunted NA all his life and Africa numerous times with them. He even took a nice Cape buffalo with the 300 and 180 grain Partitions. He didn't go out with that in mind but the opportunity presented itself while on a kudu hunt. The buff took just a few steps and went down for good.

tj,

The 300 H&H responds very well to IMR 4350 and H 4831. Try the 200 NP and you'll have thumper.

Mark

quote:

Originally posted by snowman:
TJ I have a 300 H&H also built on an old Rem Enfield action. It shoots everything quite well but 200 gr bullets group under an inch with 7828. I shoot the 200 gr Speers @ targets and the 200 gr Partitions @ game. Those bullets shoot to the same spot.

I second the use of IMR7828. In my Rem 721 it gives the highest velocity, best accuracy, and seemingly the lowest pressure compared to the 4350's and 4831's.

Where the venerable .300 H&H shines is with 200gn & 220gn bullets pushed very fast.

Unfortunately today, that makes Holland's 'Super .30' a hand-loading proposition, but if you've got the bench time to devote to it, it's certainly worth it.

There are several bullets i want to try,
For Mule Deer, a 150 grain Accubonds would be flat as hell, and would likely be great, but if my rifle will not shoot them strait just about any 165, or 180 Would do very nicely.
I have a bunch of 180 grain partitions , that would be great for Elk. Not sure if i want to shoot the Factory ammo i have, it is pretty old, and might be worth some money. Dies will be here soon !...tj3006

I have a Sako L61R in .300 H&H. It refuses to shoot any 180 grain bullet into more than 3/4 inch groups. I initially worked up loads with Speer Hot Cores, then switched to Nosler Ballistic Tips in order to home in my goal of using 180 grain Nosler Accubonds (because I had a good supply of them). All shot to the virtually the same POI using IMR 7828SSC. I could push it to well over 3,0000 fps if I wished, but I settled on just enough powder to give me the "traditional" H&H velocity of about 2960 fps. A single 180 grain Accubond took a cow elk at 200 yards on my first hunting outing with it. If I were you I'd use those 180 Partitions and never look back.

Ditto on the just under 3000 fps w/ 180 gr. bullets.
I use 180 gr. Swift "A" Frames, H-4831 SC and CCI #250's.
Not the most streamlined bullet, but stone accurate, and hits like Thor's hammer.
It's all good.

The 300 H&H, if you handload is the best of the 300 magnums..I will tie or beat and of the up to the 300 WBY, but even the WBY only beats it by a token amount...I like the 180 Nosler partition at 3020 FPS with old H4831 or 4350 came pretty close, but later tried the 200 gr. partition and accubond, and never went back..That 200 gr. bullet is death and destruction on everything I shot..and both bullets shot to same POI and killed effectively on everything from small white tail to Eland, Moose, Kudu, a Leopard and one buffalo died on the shot after a 35 yard run...Its and old and impressive caliber, field proven, popular in Africa still by the professionals. A classic in all respects.

quote:

Originally posted by Atkinson:
The 300 H&H, if you handload is the best of the 300 magnums..I will tie or beat and of the up to the 300 WBY, but even the WBY only beats it by a token amount...I like the 180 Nosler partition at 3020 FPS with old H4831 or 4350 came pretty close, but later tried the 200 gr. partition and accubond, and never went back..That 200 gr. bullet is death and destruction on everything I shot..and both bullets shot to same POI and killed effectively on everything from small white tail to Eland, Moose, Kudu, a Leopard and one buffalo died on the shot after a 35 yard run...Its and old and impressive caliber, field proven, popular in Africa still by the professionals. A classic in all respects.

Ray, dude, you're hitting it out of the park today.

Totally agree with your post above, ... although, personally, I slightly favor 220gn bullets over the 200 grainers for my .300 Holland.

If I want to shoot hot 180gn loads, I can do that out of my 30-06.

To me, the advantage of Holland's '.30 Super' lies in its ability to push the heavy 30-cal bullets really fast. Today, of course, that's a task for the dedicated handloader.

I'm now shooting 180 grain ttsx....great bullet for the old workhorse.

quote:

Originally posted by Atkinson:
The 300 H&H, if you handload is the best of the 300 magnums..I will tie or beat and of the up to the 300 WBY, but even the WBY only beats it by a token amount...

While I agree the .300 H&H is a truly great cartridge it doesn't attain the velocity of the Weatherby which is 200-250 fps faster.

A great long range round. Very accurate. I have
used 72 gr. H-4831 & 168 gr. Sierra on Antelope
up to 700 yds. Heavier bullets make it a
thumper for elk, moose and even bear. Great
caliber all around for anything other than
DG in Africa. Personally I would pick something
else for the DG.

Good Shooting

Tetonka
DRSS

Alf, ya gotta have bigger balls! use more powder!!

my Dies and brass should be here Saturday !
...tj3006

Ray's world has never been burdened by the laws of physics.

quote:

Originally posted by ALF:
Oh shit here we go again !

I can "outload" the 300 H&H to beat and outshoot a 300 weatherby !

So by that analogy one should be able to "outload" a 30-06 to beat and outshoot a 300 H&H and just for good measure should then get the 308 to outshoot the 30-06

No ! Hell no !

This makes no sense at all and defies any logic.

You add more energy ( fuel) to the engine by increasing the combustion chamber it will produce more velocity to a point where the engine becomes inefficient !

quote:

Originally posted by ForrestB:
Ray's world has never been burdened by the laws of physics.

Sounds like an interesting planet.

Our heroic astronauts will have to visit it someday and report back on what sorts of indigenous species breed there. Perhaps they'll even return with Ray's autograph.

tjroberts. The late Ed Matunas who worked for both winchester and remington over his career, told me in a phone call that winchester made two versions of the 180 gr silver tip. , one for 3006 velocities and below, and the other for 300 magnums. I can't recall how to tell them apart

Well I was comparing my handloaded 300 H&H to the reloading books for the other 300s and the H&H was equal or better than all but the 300 wby, but if you do that you will see its right on the WBYs tail...Check it out! All of the 300s are equal from a pratical standpoint. Do your homework..If your a tech guy you can get picky and love to count 50 to a 100 FPS to win an argument, and bore me to death..The 308 with a good hand load will beat a lot of factory 30-06 ammo, both handloaded the 30-06 will beat the .308 by a 100 FPS so I see them as equal in the field..These are the kind of arguments that bore me to death...then we have the 99 Savage in .308 that's closer to the 300 Savage than the 30-06. Its all game playing.

BTW, I see about the same thing with trajectory games and big game rifles..

water cap, average of factory brass.

30-06 = 61.3
300H&H = 79.2
300 win =83.2
300 wthby = 92.7

you could gain a little if the wthby brass was made from win brand 375 or 300 brass.

pressure and barrel length kept the same, the wthby has a sizable advantage.

I know Alf, I forget sometimes.
13.5 in a 30 cal is the same.
But, 5.5 grain diff between a 375x9.3/62 case is another league over the 375 Hawk/Scoville.

quote:

Originally posted by vapodog:
I'm now shooting 180 grain ttsx....great bullet for the old workhorse.

+1

I'm pushing the 180gr TTSX at 3050fps in my 26" barrel No. 1.

Awesome rifle and caliber.

I never purchase factory ammo so a "handload only" caliber has never been a impediment for me.

i decided to load three loads,
Got my dies and brass yesterday, 180 grain partitions, and 150 grain Barnes over IMR-4350, and a 165 grain Ballistic tip over H-4831.
Any of those loads should be very useful, i am shooting a rifle with a 100 year old action, so my loads are pretty light., but i will be trying her out tomorrow morning. unless i get board and go today.
The 150 grain Barnes bullet, is one i would love to use, on game. At 3200 FPS, it would do anything Short of a Grizzly, and they don't live here in Oregon yet.(there are people trying to reintroduce them here though) Ain't that great news to the Ranchers. '''tj3006

quote:

Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
tj,

The 300 H&H responds very well to IMR 4350 and H 4831. Try the 200 NP and you'll have thumper.

Mark

Mine is now shooting the 180 grain ttsx...but the same powders

here it is
http://forums.accuratereloadin...1019521/m/7471071142

I have never understood the love affair with the .300 H&H. Back when 30 caliber was popular for 1000 yard target shooting, the .300 Win Mag ruled the day (it certainly displaced the H&H version).

I use a .308 Win quite a bit; if I need to move up, I use one of my .300 RUMs, which is incredibly accurate and launches bullets 300 fps faster than the .300 HH.

I think a Ruger No 1 in .300 H&H would be cool, but only for nostalgia.

I did not own a 30 caliber rifle, and after I sold a 338-06 to a good friend I though it was time to add one to the safe.

I knew I wanted a model 70 classic action, with a D'Arcy Echols stock.

It was to be a good all around hunting rifle.

300 Savage, 308, 30-06, 300 SAUM, 300 WSM, 300 Win, 300 H&H, and 300 Weatherby were all in the discussion.

Slowly narrowed it down to the 06, H&H, and Win Mag.


savage and 308 ruled out because I wanted more horsepower, SAUM seemed perfect for a lightweight platform, WSM too fat, and the Weatherby just not my style.

I ended up with the H&H simply because of the panache. I went into this with no intention of hot rodding it and trying to turn it into something it is not. A Weatherby, 30-378, or RUM would have been a better choice for that.


When working up loads for the Namibia trip in 2016. I tested 165gr GMX, 180gr TSX, TTSX, GMX, Np's and 200gr NP's and TSx's. Using both H4831 and Ramshot powder (hunter I believe)


I found a great load with the 165 GMX's, and the 180gr TTSX's.


I went with the 180's as they were heavier and a classic 30 caliber all around weight.

I had two loads, 3006fps and 2925fps that shot fantastic. I opted for the lower load. No need for the extra 75fps that would serve as ego stroking with no difference in the field.


Went on the hunt and took blue and black wildebeest, Hartmann's Zebra, warthog, gemsbock, and waterbuck. All with one shot and no caught bullets. Shots from 50 to 190 yards.

That fall it produced the same results on a mule deer buck taken the last day of he season.

So I am a fan of the 300 H&H. I have a customer who has one in a Remington 721 and have told him numerous times that if his kids do not want it, I would be more than happy to purchase it from him.

I still regret passing on a pre 64 that was sitting on the used gun rack in a LGS more than a few years ago.

I'm a big fan of the 300 H&H, although I know that from a strictly utilitarian standpoint, the 300 Win (or an '06, for that matter) might make more sense. My 300 H&H is a Ruger No. 1. Using a rifle like that makes hunting a richer experience for me. I used it to take a very good free-range red stag in NZ in 2014 (3rd in the Sika show that year), and in Namibia in 2016 for warthog, impala, springbok, red hartebeest, gemsbok, zebra, kudu and eland. All of it was done with Federal premium factory ammo with Barnes TSX bullets. It chronographs at about 2880 fps and is very accurate in that gun. They stopped making it after Remington bought Barnes. Got a few boxes left. Of course it could be handloaded to significantly higher velocities. But it shot so well I didn't bother. It would be the last gun I'd sell.

Man does this old girl shoot !
I went out to my spot, in the mountains west of Portland, and set up with a friend, to do some shooting. My 300 H&H and my New CZ 557 in .308
My 1st 3 shot group with the 300 shooting 165 grain ballistic tips over imr 4831 was not to bad , 2 rounds touching, and the 3rd about 2 inches away.
My friend who is a novice shooter, did a bit better than me. My 3rd group was .74 inches.
she likes a dirty bore.
I shot the .308 a little while it cooled, and let me tell you, that CZ is accurate as hell.
I think i found the load for it. 46.7 grins of IMR 4064 under 150 grain Noslers, 47 grains gave me mild cratering so i think i will back down just a we bit.
Back to the 300 with IMR 4350 under a 180 grain partition. I called a couple flyers, but aside from those the loads were well under an inch.
I pulled a few shots cause the trigger is pretty heavy on my magnum, while the CZ has a very light trigger. Bouncing back and forth was a little tough. i will see about adjusting the Trigger on my enfield.
Last load was a 150 grain TTSX over IMR 4350,
I have never had much luck shooting barnes bullets from a dirty rifle. I have now. I put 4 into 1 ragged hole and a 5th half an inch away.
That Barnes bullet might well go mule deer hunting this fall, if i draw a tag, for eastern Oregon.
Lastly i pulled out my 1913 Vintage 1894 30/30 20 inch octagon short rifle to try the 160 grain Hornady flex tip.
Shoots way to high in my old 30/30. but she likes 150 grain Winchesters. So if i don't draw my Eastern tag, i might just try my luck hunting black tails with the old 94...tj3006

quote:

The 300 H&H, if you handload is the best of the 300 magnums..I will tie or beat and of the up to the 300 WBY,

Umm no. Been shooting both all my life and with 180gr bullets (I prefer TTSXs), you can get 3000 fps out of the H&H and the Weatherby will go 3250 with no problem. Not even close, Ray.

300 H&H:180 TTSX: 71gr RL-22 F-250 primers and either WW brass (no longer made) or RP or Hornady also work, seated all the way to the crimping cannelure.

300 Weatherby: 81.3 RL 22 F-215 primers: 3245 fps. Both rifles give me half MOA all day long.

quote:

Originally posted by jorge:

quote:

The 300 H&H, if you handload is the best of the 300 magnums..I will tie or beat and of the up to the 300 WBY,

Umm no. Been shooting both all my life and with 180gr bullets (I prefer TTSXs), you can get 3000 fps out of the H&H and the Weatherby will go 3250 with no problem. Not even close, Ray.

As far as velocity goes, yes, there are faster .30 cartridges. But if that's all that matters then shouldn't we be shooting 30-378 Wby Magnums? My hunting buddy shoots .300 Win Mag and it doesn't do anything a .300 H&H can't do. And just how much more effective is the .300 Weatherby as a hunting cartridge than those?

The .300 H&H is a wonderful cartridge for reloaders. It has room for long bullets, is easy to size with portable hand-loading tools, and is accurate with just about any .308 caliber bullet over a reasonable load. Ken Waters wrote that the .300 H&H gets more velocity per grain of powder than any of the other .300 magnums (written before WSMs and WSSMs came out).

I think diminished interest in the H&H cartridge is more a result of gun manufacturers dropping magnum length actions to reduce costs than of introductions of "better" .300 magnum cartridges.

As to the last point, isn't it interesting that for decades companies measured performance of their new .300 magnums against performance of the .300 H&H? The .300 H&H always set the all-around performance standard. As far as I'm concerned it still does.

I post this from time to time regarding the 300 H&H

Written a number of years ago, but IMHO, still relevent.


300 H&H - THE MOST VERSATILE MAGNUM

By: C. Bekker

The 375 H&H dates back to 1912 and the British wanted a long range calibre and designed it around the very same case, necked down to a .308 calibre during 1920.
In 1935, Ben Comfort won the prestigious 1000 yard Wimbledon Cup with his 300 H&H which led to Winchester chambering for the calibre in 1937.

It is now 80 Years later and the 300H&H is still the most practical and useful magnum in the .300 calibre range. It offers the handloader and hunter more versatility and benefits; for example:-

a) It is the most efficient powder burner of all the .300's.

b) It does not require a 26 inch long barrel as it uses less powder.

c) The taper of the case body and the gentle shoulder makes it a smooth & reliable feeder.

d) It is the least likely to have a sticky bolt problem when pressures get high on a hot day.

e) Operating pressures are lower and therefore there is less strain on the gun and case life is better.

f) Its long neck makes it easier to reload it with heavier bullets, like 200 & 220 grainers.

g) Additional and unnecessary velocity of faster magnums is more destructive on the bullet.

h) It has lower recoil than the faster magnums as velocity gets squared in the energy calculation.

i) Longer barrel life by virtue of lower operating temperatures - throats get eroded.

j) More versatile with the 220 grainer for shorter ranges like in the Bushveld.

The only real justification of the .300 magnums is their ability to push 200 & 220 Gr bullets at adequate velocities for hunting of big game, like Gemsbok and Kudu at long range and that makes the 300 H&H the clear winner as its case has a longer neck which makes it easier to reload with the heavier bullets than its rivals.
If you wish to shoot 180 Gr bullets in your 300 H&H, you might as well stay with your 30-06 as the extra velocity will do you no good.
A 200 grain bullet has a sectional density factor of 301 which is preferable over a 180 grain bullet which is only .271. To punch hard enough at longer ranges one needs more initial momentum -i.e., mass and velocity and that is why the 30-06 is falling short. Also, a 200 gr bullet has a better ballistic coefficient, mainly through its better sectional density rather than through form, and thus retain velocity better and the 200 gr bullet is ideal for the 300 Magnums. When the 220 grainers are used, velocity is lower and the flat trajectory is then compromised to some degree. However, if your hunting distance is more like 200 yards, the 220 grainer with a sectional density of .331 is even better yet.

Well, I have given ten good reasons why the 300 H&H is the top 300 Magnum.
It is really sad that Winchester stopped making this British calibre, when they introduced their 300 Win Mag in 1963.
The main reason being to wring out a little bit more velocity. For example, if we take Federal ammunition we will see that the 300 Win Mag gives 2,960 fps against the 2,880 fps of the 300 H&H with a 180 gr Nosler Partition bullet - a mere 2.8%. The point is why shoot a 180 grainer if the we can shoot a 200 grainer that can run at 2,800 fps in both calibres with handloads?

The 7 mm Magnums cannot shoot heavier bullets than 175 grains and therefore fall short to compete with the 300 magnums. Bullet mass is more important than velocity for hunting bigger game like Kudu or Eland or even Gemsbok at long range.

Flatter shooting magnums are really of no use as the improvement is marginal even at 300 yards - a mere 2 inches at 300 yards, at game the size of Kudu? It is a question of at what distance you zero your rifle.
The latest and supposedly greatest 300 Magnum, is the new 300 Ultra Remington Magnum, that shoots a 200 grainer at 3,025 fps - all
conventional bullets will fail as the forces imparted to the bullet, forward and rotational, are way too high and thus the only reliable hunting bullets will be premium grade bullets.

The meat hunter does not like bloodshot meat and hence impact velocity is important so that a lot of meat does not go to waste - impact velocity should not be higher than around 2,200 fps and thus the 300 Ultra Remington Magnum will bruise a lot of meat when game is shot between 200 to 300 yds.
Look at this table for a comparison:- (200 gr bullet, BC = 0.556)
300 H&H MUZZLE 200 YDS 250 YDS 300 YDS 350 YDS
Velocity - fps 2,700 2,384 2,308 2,233 2,159
Bullet Drop Z=200 0 -3.2 -8.1 -14.7
Wind Drift @ 10 mph 4.1 5.9 8.2

300 Ultra Rem Mag MUZZLE 200 YDS 250 YDS 300 YDS 350 YDS
Velocity - fps 3,025 2,602 2,522 2,443 2,365
Bullet Drop Z=200 0 -2.5 -6.2 -11.3
Wind Drift @ 10 mph 3.5 5.1 7.0
The 300 H&H is ideal at hunting distances between 250 and 350 yards - at 350 yards the Ultra Rem Magnum is roughly doing the velocity that the 300 H&H is doing at 200 yds and it would cause more meat damage as the impact velocity is too high and shots beyond 350 yards are less common and more risky in terms of accuracy, bullet drop and last but not least the wind drift all of which get progressively worse the longer the shot. If shots are common at 300 to 350 yds then one should rather zero the rifle at 300 yds to minimize hold over.

Hopefully, the above table will convince you to rather limit your shots to 250 yds and hence avoiding wounding your animal and a consequent long follow up. Second shots only cause more meat damage and the adrenaline will make the meat tough after a chase.
The vital zone area is only about 10 inches for a kudu in diameter and you have to land the bullet there or else ...you may regret it!
Mother nature has already moved the bullet at 300 yards 8.1" and 5.9" away from where you aimed in terms of bullet drop and wind drift.
In addition, if you can shoot a 1" group @ 100 yards, then that becomes 3 inches out at 300 yards - that is the practical reality.
So, this inaccuracy should be added to the bullet drop and wind drift factor - you get the picture? I have not even mentioned the fact that hot loads, that cause more recoil, could cause the hunter to flinch.
Shot placement is of vital importance for one shot kills.

The 300 H&H is making a strong come back in South Africa due to all the negatives associated with the faster magnums. Generally speaking, people that have used the 300 Win Mag with 180 Gr bullets at 2,960 fps are not impressed - it is too fast for big game at the distances that they are shot at.
I now wish to stack the 180 grain bullet up against the 200 grainer so we can see if there is a real benefit to shoot the faster and lighter bullet.
Let us use typical velocities for the 300 H&H in both loads and let us use Speer Spitzer bullets of which the details are as follows:-

180 Gr 2,850 Fps BC = .462
200 Gr 2,700 Fps BC = .556
Bullet Drop - in inches 100 Yds 200 Yds 300 Yds 400 Yds
180 Gr Bullet 4.2 5.0 0.0 -11.7
200 Gr Bullet 4.6 5.4 0.0 -12.4
Wind Drift - in inches
180 Gr Bullet 0.7 2.9 6.7 12.4
200 Gr Bullet 0.6 2.6 5.9 10.9

The 200 grain bullet only drops 0.7 of an inch more than the 180 grainer at a distance of 400 yards. Most people battle to shoot a 0.7 inch grouping at a 100 yards! As far as wind deflection goes, we see that the heavier bullet is superior by 1.5 inches at 400 yards.
So, in my opinion, there is absolutely no gain to be had by shooting a 180 grain bullet at a faster velocity, as it gets negated by the better ballistic coefficient of the 200 grainer.
At 300 yards, there is practically no difference at all.
Sure, the 300 Remington Ultra Magnum would shoot flatter than the 300 H&H and I would bet that most Americans would opt to shoot the 180 grainers at 3,320 fps in preference to the 200 grainers at 3,025 fps as they have been conditioned to believe that more velocity will give them the edge - perhaps so for distances beyond 400 yards.

300 H&H rifles are scarce and must be custom built if you want one.
I believe Dakota Arms in the USA are still making the this old British calibre.
If you cannot kill your quarry with a 200 grainer at 2,700 fps then your hunting skill need some honing or you need to take up fly-fishing instead. In fact, my favorite load with the 200 gr bullet is at 2,600 fps as I limit my shots to 250 yards, there is less strain on my rifle and I make it easier for my bullets to perform as unnecessary energy placed on the bullet is destructive on the bullet.

The gun world media conditions us to believe that we need faster and faster magnums as the time passes by. My contention is that Remington has now created a Mona Lisa with a moustache with their Ultra Magnum!
In closing, I wish to go back in time ... it was 1939, the chill of war already settling like a cold, damp fog over Europe when John Taylor wrote the first lines to his book:
"It is an astonishing thing how little the average sportsman in Africa knows about the rifles he uses. It is only a trifling exaggeration to say that all he really does know about them, is that a bullet comes out of the end that has a hole in it!"

Today, more than 60 years later, these famous words seems to fit the American manufacturers as well ... as they are the ones who supply the gullible novice hunters with their latest and greatest rifles.
Chris Bekker (abc@telgonline.co.za)












ya!


GWB

I have never owned a 300 H&H but have shot them and reloaded for them.

I have always found it to be one of the most appealing calibres but only in the right rifle.

If I was getting a real top end wood gun made my choice would be between 270, 300 H&H and 375 H&H. I suspect the 300 H&H would get the nod.

quote:

Originally posted by Geedubya:

b) It does not require a 26 inch long barrel as it uses less powder.

i) Longer barrel life by virtue of lower operating temperatures - throats get eroded.

Always wanted one, but pre-64 M-70s seemed overvalued.

No matter. Everything I took with .300 Wins and Roys was taken at .300 H&H ballistics: 180 gr at 2900-2950 fps MV. No animal complained.

Above points in quotes (made me laugh a bit). O'Connor thought the .300 H&H both hard on barrels and also requiring a 26" tube. Yet he favored 22" custom barrels for his beloved .270s. The .270 Win's expansion ratio is close, but probably a bit higher, than the .300 H&H. Maybe Jack just looked at the long case and figured it had to be a barrel burner.