I shot this target today.It is getting darker earlier and this has me shooting in low light.
I am learning more and more about shooting offhand.I thought that nothing made sense and I could not get better but I am glad to say that I was wrong.These are good offhand groups considering the light conditions.I remember shooting some much better targets this summer but that was in good light with a hole punched in the target backboard to allow light through.This time light is poor and I am learning how to cope with it and doing good.
Two things-one -knowing where to aim on a difficult target picture and two-muscle control/strength training.
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Again,I wish I had some scotch but I will settle for a couple of beers instead-and some octopus.
The shooting ballerina is back!

I can't help it.

Say, uh, a couple of questions if you don't mind;

I count 39 holes in the target, do you have a count on total rounds fired at the target?

Just so I understand, this target is shot from the off hand position, no rest, no sling, iron sights? You simply stand there and shoot?

I followed your link to the octopus, looks possibly appetizing, but not in its current form, do you have a procedure for that? Please don't tell me it has anything to do with JB.

I actually fired 44rds-a couple were complete misses(there are 4 more on the target that were cut out from the picture).
Yes the target is shot from the offhand position,no sling or rest,with iron sights-I simply stand there and shoot(that is were I got shootaway from).
The octopus recipe is from someone who used to serve it in their restaurant.It is great and I would say it is the best tasting octopus I ever had.I will let you know how it is made.My mother got it from one of her friends she hangs out with.
I had some once around Christmas and I thought wow this is great!

Very appropriate thread title...that level of "accuracy" is pretty much what I predicted when I read it.

What was the range?

What is the size of the bull's eye? 2" circle?

What caliber & rifle? 223 Rem?

Your shooting is really coming along. You even got one in the 10 ring this time.

You didn't mention if that was a two or three hundred yard target?

This is a 100yd sighting in target.One of the squares on the target is equal to one inch.The rifle is a Remington 308 with a Palma no.14 barrel.

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Two things-one -knowing where to aim on a difficult target picture and two-muscle control/strength training

This is what is most important!

Practice, practice, Practice

When I take the grandson out shooting; we tie colored ballons up in the top of the sage brush at unknown ranges.

I first have him try it offhand, with no support, and then using the sling or getting down on a knee etc.

It is amazing the difference and the result is instantous. We love watching that ballon pop!

At 200 yards, the X ring on the standard high power target is three inches in diameter and the ten ring seven inches, and the nine ring is thirteen inches, which is also the size of the black.

The 200 yard target reduced for shooting at 100 yards has an X ring 1 3/8" in diameter, a ten ring 3 3/8" in diameter and a nine ring 6 3/8" in diameter. Superimposed on this sight-in target, the shooter would have 18 shots in the black and 11 in the 9 1/4" eight ring.

I don't know if the shooter is using a shooting jacket and glove or whether he is using precisely adjustable target sights or an aperture front sight, but this is not a bad score.

I also don't know if the shooter has been taught the elements of shooting standing, including proper foot position, proper arm position and proper trigger control, but if he has not, then it is a remarkable performance.

Looking through my score book, I find one of the last standing matches I ever fired, and the shot values were 9.9.10.9.10.9.8.7.9.10.9.9.10.9.9.9.8.10.8.10 for a total score of 181, or an average of slightly over 9 for every shot. This performance was after forty years of competetive shooting with some of the best coaching available, and using the best equipment I could afford, at age 64. Ten years earlier, my score might have been in the low 190's.

My advice would be not to shoot 40 shots. Even the best shooters start to tire after about 20 and there's nothing to be gained by shooting when you can't control what you are doing.

Face about 90 degrees away from the target, place the rifle in your shoulder so that your head is erect when looking through the sights, line up on the target and close your eyes. When you open your eyes, you will see your natural point of aim, and move your feet to align it with the target. Concentrate on the front sight, even though the target becomes indistinct, squeeze off a shot and announce out loud where the shot went: "an 8 at nine o'clock", then look through your scope to confirm your call. Don't shoot so many shots on one target that you lose track of where the last one went. If you are gong to shoot 20 shots, hang two targets and shoot only ten on each, not twenty on one.

This is just the beginning of what it takes to be a competent shot off hand, but at least you have the willingness to practice. You just need to add an element of technique to your practice.

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Originally posted by jwm:

I read this thread and the first one. The big thing I see is that you are putting to many holes in a piece of paper to really see anything.
Shoot just 5 or ten shots at a target, then put up a new target. Or are you just to lazy or cheap to do that?
Leo

Don't bite. He had to start a new II thread because everyone was on to him. Go back and read the origninal thread. He is either a troll or is beyond help. Many have tried to help him. He doesn't listen, he just starts a new thread.

My question is what size buckshot did you use on that target?

Two things-one -knowing where to aim on a difficult target picture and two-muscle control/ strength training strength training.

Muscle control & strength shouldn't enter into the equation-BONE STRUCTURE & NPA(natural point of aim)

Again,I wish I had some scotch but I will settle for a couple of beers instead-

Ignorant comment!!!

Take up a scattergun sport!!
(your target indicates you haven't a clue)

No excuse for this bad target.I just got to get serious about practicing if I want to improve.
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I feel like crying-man! Shit!

Work on trigger control. No one can hold steady during the entire trigger squeeze but we can learn to only increase pressure when the sight picture is right.

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Originally posted by Jim C. <><:
Work on trigger control. No one can hold steady during the entire trigger squeeze but we can learn to only increase pressure when the sight picture is right.

I need work on controlling everything.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I need work on controlling everything.

Very true! Mostly your brain (or lack of) to keyboard reflexes...

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Originally posted by Mike Brooks:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I need work on controlling everything.

Very true! Mostly your brain (or lack of) to keyboard reflexes...

bug off you low life

Funny how the rest of us tend to feel the same way towards you also..

Has anyone ever really thought about how old that target is. It looks like someone was trying out different factory buckshot loads.

what distance was this at and with what caliber of rifle?

100yds,308win

You might want to study the records of Gary L Anderson. He was the men's World Champion in the 300 meter free rifle in 1962 in Cairo and in 1966 in Germany.
The 300 meter free rifle is shot with 3 positions and there are not many restrictions on the rifle.
Here is the statistic.

Anderson could often put 10 rounds in a 10 cm bullseye 3.937 inches dia at 300 meters off hand.

He used metallic sights. From the looks of your shooting you need about an 8" diameter black bulls eye and aperture sights matched to the bulls eye diameter.
Anderson's rifle was not magic - just a .308 free rifle.
If you cannot shoot much better with a black bulls eye and aperture sights I would be very surprised.

There wasn`t enough light to see the orange toward the last 20 or so rds fired.I saw that I was a little to the right on a few shots and tried to compensate by aiming a little to the left even though I did not have a reference point.This caused some shots to go too much to the left.If I cant see the target well next time out I will go with a black circle.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
100yds,308win

Move in to 50yds and practive there until you get them centered.

100yds is to far to realy be sure you are lining the sights up right, by the look of that target.

good luck

Minute of Molson there, eh?

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Originally posted by npd345:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
100yds,308win

Move in to 50yds and practive there until you get them centered.

100yds is to far to realy be sure you are lining the sights up right, by the look of that target.

good luck

I got them centered at 50 a long time ago.You dont seem to know the difficulty at shooting between 50 and 100.See at 50 you can see the target almost as if you were looking through a scope-cant say the same about 100.Have you ever shot offhand at 100 or are you just posting for the fun of it?

Shootaway,
I hope you have not taken my post as a critisim as it is not. It as given as advice and encouragement.

I do a lot of blackpower shooting out to 125yds. That is the only rifle I currently own that I use open sights on. Scopes are not allowed on blackpowder guns in Idaho.

Seems like I had to pratice forever to get consistant at 50. I then moved to 75 and kept at it and eventually out to 125. I can't hit my ass with both hands past that. However if I do my part I do rather well out to 125.

What I had to work on, for the most part, was position of the bead, of the front blade, in the rear sight. Making sure hat the gap on either side of the bead was the same so I knew I was staying centered. I adjusted for elvation by where I put the bead in relation to the top of the rear sight, Not by moving the whole sight picture up to the point the target was no longer able to be clearly seen.

Quite frankly I have a hard time using paper targes most of the time past 75yds, with open sights. I like to use white buckets with a large black spot on them, this is a lot easier for my eyes to see and I think it better represents aiming at an animal. Balloons also make a great target; big balloons!

A peep sight helped me a lot to.

Yes I know the difficulty of using open sights, thats the reason all my centerfire big game rifles have scopes. Pretty tough to use a centerfire rifle to its potential if you don't.

Some can use open sights, at extended distances, but I am not one of them and it appears, at this point neither are you. So keep up the practice!

When I said good luck I meant it and still do!

I just reloaded my cases and found almost half to be way over the trim to length.This explains the large offhand group.

Have you measured the length of your chamber?

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I just reloaded my cases and found almost half to be way over the trim to length.This explains the large offhand group.

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Originally posted by SR4759:
Have you measured the length of your chamber?

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I just reloaded my cases and found almost half to be way over the trim to length.This explains the large offhand group.

I have been wanting to.I will some time soon.I trim anything over 2.010

I saw no change in your group size from your previous targets. I doubt that a case that will still chamber but is over the "trim length" could possibly affect your accuracy. If the cartridge was long enough to crimp on the mouth of the case can certainly affect pressure and accuracy but with your targets it is hard to tell if you are even using the same weight bullets with the same loads.

You have no group to determine a level of accuracy.

You say trim length will not effect accuracy because you have not shot enough.

I don't have a dog in this fight but you folks, especially the ones making the snide remarks, that are not well practiced in shooting offhand, load up 10 rounds using whatever technique you want and shoot them offhand at 100 yards. And then get back to me. It ain't as easy as it seems when all you're shooting is your keyboard.
Does everybody know what a hasty sling is?

I just got back from the range but did not get a chance to shoot.Too many 22 shooters that stayed there all day until there was no light left.I cant stand 22 shooters.I will try again on Thursday.

I have shot smaller groups off hand at 300 yards without a sling than shootaway does at 100 yards. Everyone here has tried ti help him but he doesn't want to improve - he just wants the attention.

That's all he gets now is attention.

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Originally posted by PaulS:
I have shot smaller groups off hand at 300 yards without a sling than shootaway does at 100 yards. Everyone here has tried ti help him but he doesn't want to improve - he just wants the attention.

That's all he gets now is attention.

you shot them with your keyboard