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No one actually hated Tue Creedmore itself but rather we hate the owners who prattle on incessantly about how great it is when it’s actually just a gussied up Swede that can’t handle heavy bullets as well. Creedmore owners are for the most part the vegans and cross fitters of the gun world. DRSS Kreighoff 470 NE Valmet 412 30/06 & 9.3x74R | |||
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Good cartridge for the recoil sensitive, less capable then the 270 Win IMHO Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Have the greatest respect for both Ray and Saeed. To me, the .416 Rem. Mag is the ultimate rifle. I won't use different bullet weights in it as suggested by Ray, though. Complicates things. It's my go to rifle and I've done one rifle safaris with it and shot everything from elephant to dik dik and greysbok, leopard and lion as well. It's absolutely great on buffalo. On this side of the pond I've shot a lot of whitetail with it, and a turkey. It just works. Someone said beware of the man with one rifle. I have a lot of rifles, but my .416 is my rifle of choice for everything and is usually what's in my hand. | |||
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In all reality I have found those with only one rifle. Never practice, are normally piss poor shots and don't know much about firearms. | |||
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While I love the 416 Rem and the 7x57, I think my favorite bore-in-between is a 9.3mm. I have been using a short, light little Husqvarna in 9.3x57 and it is areal thumper for what I hunt in Texas. I need to get serious and finish a combo gun in 16ga/9.3x74r I have had in the works for more than a year. I think that will also become a fast favorite for general use here at home. Shoot the largest caliber you can shoot well, and practice, practice, practice. | |||
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Very strongly disagree. A person that hunts a 100 days / year from big game to varmints with one rifle will out shoot the old guy who has the money to collect a bunch of rifles and get on the internet every day. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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9,3x62 coyotes to grizzly to cape buffalo Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Find me that mystical person. It is just another old wives tale. A person who does that much shooting soon realizes that his Big game rifle is not ideal for varmints. | |||
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Most overlooked? 35 Whelen. Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps. | |||
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It seems to me that saying has had a lot of baggage added to it here. After WWII my father apparently went off hunting but, as a rancher, he needed to kill rabbits, foxes and injured stock. He only had a shotgun and an old Winchester 1904 'pea rifle' but he was very handy with it. | |||
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308 Winchester - anything a 300 Win Mag can do, a 308 win cand do just subtract 200 yards for the longer range shots. See rule 13. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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264 Win Mag Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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7mm-08 Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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The 35 Whelan has held its own for a decade or two as well it should, but the 9,3x62 all things equal is much better DG rifle and also favored for Pg, As Pierre van der Walt quotes in his book African Dangerous Game Cartridges states comparing the 35 Whelan to the 9,3x62 is like damn is to cussing!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I find it funny that we all find it fun to argue over which caliber is better. Ray is stating that 0.366” is markedly better than 0.358”  and Saeed is here to tell you that 0.375” is markedly better than anything bigger, and so on and so forth. It just boils down to the fact that there is so little difference between all of these calibers nowadays because we live in a time of premium bullets. Because of this, there is very little difference between the killing power of cartridges, so long as they push the bullets fast enough to function as designed and the shots aren’t taken so far as to reduce bullet performance. Within 200 yards, I’d take anything between a 338 and a 458 with premium bullets for medium and large game animals.Shoot the largest caliber you can shoot well, and practice, practice, practice. | |||
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if we refer to the original question, and disregard dangerous game, the 8X57 is quite capable and vastly overlooked. | |||
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My bottom line is it must go bang! I can adjust to the rest! An Indian lady, while picking berries, killed the worlds record Brown Bear, with a 22 L.R. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Well Ray, just like with that bear, here’s lead in your eye!  Hey wait, I thought it was a 22 long…  Cheers, RC Shoot the largest caliber you can shoot well, and practice, practice, practice. | |||
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How did a "wildcatter" get so much knowledge, they created all these issues, now they scold us for practicing what they "proved"??? or have they proved squat!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Hey Ray. I’m just joking around! We are fortunate to have such amazing options with which to use our premium bullets. Thank a wildcatter!  Shoot the largest caliber you can shoot well, and practice, practice, practice. | |||
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