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Is federal no longer using Barnes?
20 March 2013, 00:27
Jon BeutlerIs federal no longer using Barnes?
Just at Federals web site and they are no longer offering any of the Barnes in .270 or .300WM (I didnt look at to many other calibers but barnes is absent)
They still have barnes TTSX and MRX in the education section.
?? Just wondering, my .270 liked the barnes
20 March 2013, 02:24
phurley5I don't know the answer to the question but I do know that Barnes Bullets is now owned by Remington Arms. Good shooting.
phurley
20 March 2013, 03:31
SR4759Typically a company will not use it's competitors products.
However the Barnes bullets are so simple anyone could copy them with a CNC lathe.
20 March 2013, 04:08
jeffeossoyes, they are no longer offering the barnes bullets in the current line-up
barnes is NOT owned by remington, it is owned by freedom group, which owns remington.. marlin... hr... bushmaster... dpms.. and others..
HOGWASH that federal wouldn't use "a competitors" bullet -- Winchester, SPEER and NOSLER all sell ammo, and components .. wowie, so did barnees for YEARS...and federal has had no problem selling ammo with those bullets..
making a barnes bullet on a lathe for sale? can you say patent and copyright infringement.
20 March 2013, 04:34
farbedoI think that they changed the name to Trophy Copper. The bullet still looks like a Barnes TTSX to me.
I could be wrong, I don't buy much factory ammo.
Jeremy
20 March 2013, 07:06
SR4759Hogwash no
They do not like to use a competitor's product because it puts money in the competitor's pocket. Get a job in the real world and see it for yourself.
See if you can really find something that you cannot copy with a CNC lathe that has an enforcable patent. There is nothing on a Barnes bullet that you cannot find a way to make in a different way. There are already a lot of copycat bullets. Can you say Bronze points compared to Ballistic Tips or Nosler Partitions compared to Swift A Frames or Core Lockted to a dozen other designs????
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
yes, they are no longer offering the barnes bullets in the current line-up
barnes is NOT owned by remington, it is owned by freedom group, which owns remington.. marlin... hr... bushmaster... dpms.. and others..
HOGWASH that federal wouldn't use "a competitors" bullet -- Winchester, SPEER and NOSLER all sell ammo, and components .. wowie, so did barnees for YEARS...and federal has had no problem selling ammo with those bullets..
making a barnes bullet on a lathe for sale? can you say patent and copyright infringement.
20 March 2013, 07:55
4barexpertThe Trophy Copper has a lead core. Look at the Federal website, there is a cutaway.
Freedom Group owns:
* Advanced Armament Corporation
* Barnes Bullets
* Bushmaster Firearms International
* Dakota Arms
* DPMS Panther Arms
* H & R Firearms
* Marlin
* Mountain Khakis
* Para USA
* Parker Gunmakers
* Remington Arms
* Remington Military
* Remington LE
* Remington PMPD
* TAPCO
20 March 2013, 08:48
cobraquote:
Originally posted by 4barexpert:
The Trophy Copper has a lead core. Look at the Federal website, there is a cutaway.
Better have another look, it is an all copper bullet.
21 March 2013, 03:26
jorgequote:
Originally posted by 4barexpert:
The Trophy Copper has a lead core. Look at the Federal website, there is a cutaway.
Freedom Group owns:
* Advanced Armament Corporation
* Barnes Bullets
* Bushmaster Firearms International
* Dakota Arms
* DPMS Panther Arms
* H & R Firearms
* Marlin
* Mountain Khakis
* Para USA
* Parker Gunmakers
* Remington Arms
* Remington Military
* Remington LE
* Remington PMPD
* TAPCO
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24 March 2013, 04:11
4barexpertCobra, apology, you are correct. Looks a lot like a TTSX.
Jorge, grow up and get over it. We have never met nor done any business together. Insults and name calling toward/of someone you know nothing about is senseless and pollutes the site. I am not taking the bait and indulging in a waste of the OPs time. Anyone reading the thread would note that I provided information about the actual ownership of Barnes. If you have issues you would like to discuss, I am listed in Key West, pick up the phone. Personal attacks have no place on this site.
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25 March 2013, 04:59
alabama edquote:
Originally posted by Jon Beutler:
Just at Federals web site and they are no longer offering any of the Barnes in .270 or .300WM (I didnt look at to many other calibers but barnes is absent)
They still have barnes TTSX and MRX in the education section.
?? Just wondering, my .270 liked the barnes
You should try the Barnes factory loads with the TTSX. They seem to be better groups and have proven to me to be better loads. Here is one that went through about 60" of pig.
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9.3x62
375 H&H
300 H&H
450 Nitro 3.25
30 March 2013, 01:18
BlueCanMost likely, The freedom group is refusing to sell Barnes bullets to Federal so Remington can start loading them and sell them that way. Barnes bullets were a selling point for federal premium so It's competitor pulled the rug out from under them.
Cheers,
Jason
But what do I know?
30 March 2013, 17:33
SevensI still see the TTSX on the website, but no Barnes Banded Solid. On the bright side, looks like they found a nice alternative for the banded solid - the Woodleigh Hydro. They even made a cap for them so people don't complain about feeding issues.
(I checked the 375 H&H, 416 Rem, and 9.3x62)