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That 31XX looks like a typo to me. What is the source of the data? Note that velocity tops the 270 Weatherby Mag!
Go to the current page at AA website and tell us what it says for 58 grs of 3100 in a 270 Winchester.
Not the same powder! AA buys surplus bulk from different sources. They had the same data in at least 2 different manuals. |
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| Are you telling me that AA posted data for two cartridges calling the powder 3100 without lot numbers and the powders were not the same? |
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"Here is published data showing 3143fps from a 150gr in a 22" 270 win."
[ MC THIS IS JUST AN EDITORIAL BLUNDER . At present a 150 grain bullet leaving a 22" barrel of a .270 Win. would almost defy the laws of physics  roger |
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I'd trust a guy elk hunting with a 6mm Remington with a decent bullet who is a dead shot, than another guy with a 300 mag, that can't hit anything smaller than Texas with it, because he is flinching before the trigger is completely engaged.
Where do you get off with this generalization that Magnum shooters are a bunch of flinching wimps?
Tells, right here and right now, how many people that you know own magnums, and what percentage of them are flinchers.
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| 270 WSM.
If you don't reload, you probably don't shoot enough to have to worry about availability of ammo. Souns like if you bought ten boxes they would last you awhile.
The WSM is here to stay. I don't see anything the .270 Win offers as an extra unless you just like the historical significance of the .270 Win, like some people worship the 30-30.
It's your money. Lay them side by side and take your pick. It may boil down to the look of the stock. Who cares. Take home what feels right and enjoy it. |
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270 WSM.
"The WSM is here to stay."
I remember people saying the same thing about the .284 and the .264 mag. And how about all the high praise for the 8mm mag. If the WSMs stay to dillute the sales of other good rounds ----OK. Their total ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTION to our shooting fraturnity will still be ZERO but the cost drain to us that they incurr will pay the salaries of those duds who are marketing them.I'm venting again.  roger |
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| You'll get over it. |
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| That 270 reloading data is bogus. Same max charge for a 150 as a 130 gr yet the 150 gr is 140 fps faster - no - also - same powder only generates 2800 fps in a 264 WM with 140 gr. Also - if anyone at the range is generating 3150 fps with a 270 in a 22" barrel I'm staying in the truck. |
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| told ya Major Tom was a tad full of it. No real data. Just believin what he reads. Bartshe, do you think the 8mm, 284 and whatever else had as much sales as the WSM's did in thier first three years of sale? Just curious what opinion you have on that. |
| | | Posts: 459 | Location: Finksburg, MD | Registered: 20 December 2003 |
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Golly!! The only emotional defensiveness seems to be coming from Finksburg MD. Fess up Big Country ; is there really a FINKSBURG???? You're joshen us. Right? roger
Attacking a guy because he lives in a certain state or shops gunshops your not familiar with. What does this have to do with the 270 win or 270 WSM ?... By the way Roger I would be ashamed to even admit I came from Kookafornia. |
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| Yea, I have to admit, when I first moved here a few years ago, I was little wierded out about the name of the town. But when I found a nice little plot of land for a good price, names didn't mean much to me. Boy, if Roger likes that name of that town, he is going to have a riot of where my other house was. Turkey Creek, Ky. |
| | | Posts: 459 | Location: Finksburg, MD | Registered: 20 December 2003 |
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told ya Major Tom was a tad full of it. No real data. Just believin what he reads. Bartshe, do you think the 8mm, 284 and whatever else had as much sales as the WSM's did in thier first three years of sale? Just curious what opinion you have on that.
You are the bogus one! I show a published manual, by a Major company, and state my own results, which are less than the published data!
They show 58gr charge 150gr bullet 22" barrel 3143 fps
My rifle 58grs 150gr 24" barrel and 3109fps
a 130gr with the same 58grs gets virtually identical velocity, about 3100fps |
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told ya Major Tom was a tad full of it. No real data. Just believin what he reads. Bartshe, do you think the 8mm, 284 and whatever else had as much sales as the WSM's did in thier first three years of sale? Just curious what opinion you have on that.
They sold about 90 million 8x57's, the WSM's will never match that! |
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| Major Tom, I have a sneakin suspicion you have never chron'd a load in your life.
They sold 90 million 8mm Mausers to hunters in the first three years? Doubt it. I say alot has been sold to hunters, but not 90million. Pushed out (by goverments) to troops, maybe. Not really the same thing as appealing to hunters or whoever to go out and buy one. |
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| I have chronographed loads for 19 years, been reloading for 20. I have a room full of trophies I have won shooting. |
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| Dang, I just ran a 150g bullet thru my powder database, yea you can get 3150fps with 58g of certain powders, at a frekin 77,000+PSI. Makes me feel all warm inside. I've got a few shooting trophies myself. Doesn't make me a reloading expert.
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| | | Posts: 108 | Location: Mid Michigan | Registered: 28 December 2001 |
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| AJ, how did you get that short throated 300RUM to shoot? I think it was you had one built by krieger. Maybe it was a 338RUM. Somebody I was conversing with had one built and basically had to throw out any manufacturing data due to the special throat he had. I finally figured out my long freebored 300RUM and got it tackdrivin. |
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| Yes sir, that be me. I've got both, the .338 on a Krieger barrel, and I built a .300 ultra myself using a Lilja barrel. Got the .300 to shoot 180g partition golds consistantly under 1/2 MOA, then I switched to Accubonds. We took 3 critters this past season out in CO shooting the .300, plus my son dropped a bull that another hunter in our group rump shot. With good reloading practices you realy don't need to go the tight neck/short throat route with the ultra. Just something for me to play with, when I get tired of it I'll run a standard reamer thru it. After I got back from CO I picked a Rem 700PSS .270WSM. Nice light carry rifle for running around the mountains with. I've got a load with 140g Accubonds pushing 3150fps, 1/2MOA at 100 yards, already worked up for her. I did dump the tupperware stock and mount the action in my favorite McMillan stock, added a Gentry 3 position safety. Wouldn't have a problem smacking a bull with her  Interesting claim, with the 150g out of a .270Win. Everything I see shows a pressure of from 77,000 psi to over 111,000psi. Na, couldn't be a typo, they proofread all their data. Just ask Barnes bullets  |
| | | Posts: 108 | Location: Mid Michigan | Registered: 28 December 2001 |
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| Here's some 270 Winchester data, which I have worked up and cronographed. 58 grains of IMR4831, Winchester brass, Winchester large rifle primer, 130 Nosler Ballistic Tip, in a 26" Remington Sendero. Velocities average 3250fps, and the groups average under .700. All this from a factory rifle, using published loads. Go with the 270 Winchester, and you will have no worries, feeding problems, shortage of ammo or components, or BS. LOL!
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| Not IMR published loads. 56.5gr IMR4831 is max IMR. So its really no wonder your able to achieve your velocity. I know a guy from GA that was getting 3500fps with his 270WSM and 130 gr bullet and 62.5gr of 4350 and still able to get the brass out of the gun. With his factory barrel he only got 3300fps. But the new krieger barrel built up pressure faster. Only a few grains over 60K PSI, can and will skyrocket pressures and shoot velocitys in crazy directions. But hey, its your guys guns, ain't mine. Keep on loading them 58gr heaters. Shoot, while your at it, go up to 60gr. Ain't my gun. |
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| Big Country:
I am looking at an IMR loading data guide, and they show 59 grains of IMR4831 as max. Could it be they have lowered the load charge since this guide was published? No matter, since I am from Arizona, HEAT is something we have to shoot in down here. Any real hot loads always show their heads during the summer time, ie. pressure signs etc. An example: a friend of mine worked up some loads for his 243AI, and they were great during the winter. Once we got up to Colorado for a P dog shoot in the summer, as soon as the temp got over 100, he started to blow primers.
I have been shooting the 58 grain load for 10 years, and have never had a problem, as have a lot of the other guys on this site who shoot the 270 Winchester. As to 60 grains, that is the old load for H4831, not IMR. What ever, you have your opinions, and so do I. Why don't you take a survey of the guys who shoot the 270 Win. and IMR 4831 and see what loads they are using. As to pressure jumps, I haven't had that problem with any of the slower IMR powders.
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| 57.5gr IMR4831 back when I shot 130gr bullets. That was the max in my Hornday book and would stack their spire points into a .75 - .5 hole every time...... |
| | | Posts: 64 | Location: Bham, Al | Registered: 28 November 2002 |
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| No thanks Jerry. I could care less about a poll. I guess it boils down to our shooting styles. I rarely have a load that is max. I don't care that much about getting every oz of speed out of a bullet. Instead I like the most accurate and dynamic load. One you never have to worry about being on the edge. If I want more speed, I buy a caliber that is made to do it or fits it better. For instance, my pet load is 53gr of IMR4350 with a 130gr Sierra Gameking with 210 primer. Nothing fancy, nothing fast, about 2950fps, but I know I don't ever have to worry about the load. Second load for another rifle that loves 4064 (not sure why) is 46.5gr of 4064 with 130gr Gameking. Sure ain't a screamer, but good accurate, dynamic load. If I am looking for more speed, I simply would by a 270 Weatherby or what I am looking at now, a 270WSM.
I notice a pattern among reloaders. Some always have the hottest loads they can get. They always follow this trend.
Most important thing to them is speed and only speed. I usually see these guys get 2 shot one hole groups and then a flyer 2" away. Not saying you guys do or are these people. Then I see others who follow my trend. Worrying about miniscule things like barrel life. |
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