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Will be buying a Browning BLR soon in .358 Winchester. What is your favorite bullet for shooting deer size critters under 100 yards? My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | ||
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200 gr Core-Lokt and Hornady's work fine in all of my 358s. My BLR will not stabilize longer Barnes bullets. I also really like the Sierra 225 bt, especially if elk hunting. | |||
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I liked the 250 hornady out off my custom Sako and now my old BLR... Ed DRSS Member | |||
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200 gr Hornady spire pt works real good on deer. If you need more penetration the 200 gr TSX is good as is the 225 gr Partition. | |||
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200 gr TSX Is what I run out of my Savage 99. DRSS Kreighoff 470 NE Valmet 412 30/06 & 9.3x74R | |||
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Everything I've tried in my BLR has been "minute of deer" or better. The 225 Sierra is an honest moa load with either TAC or 4895. The 225 Partition is just over an inch, & is my usual elk load. Jim | |||
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Thanks for the input. I just bought 150 pieces of brass and now just need the rifle and bullets. BTY, if any of you need brass Amazon has Hornady in stock for $39 a box. Yea, I know its cheaper to use .308 brass and expand the neck but with other .308's in the house prefer to use the correct head stamped stuff. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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225 gr Sierra BT. **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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I don't think I am the only person left alive who has any of these, but I GREATLY PREFER the 250 gr. Winchester Silvertip. | |||
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I shoot a 9 X 57 and a 9 X 57R which are very similar to the .358 WCF...in fact I used .358 WCF starting data. With jacketed bullets I like the 200 gr. Hornady's. Normally I shoot cast and use the same bullet weight from an RCBS 35-200-FN mold. . DRSS: E. M. Reilley 500 BPE E. Goldmann in Erfurt, 11.15 X 60R Those who fail to study history are condemned to repeat it | |||
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For plinking and practice, I use 220 grain Speer Hot-cor and would not hesitate to use them on deer. But, for hunting, my go-to bullet is 225 grain NP's. In my rifle, the POA of both bullets is really close. Probably due to the fact that the lighter Speer is less aerodynamic with a flatter protected point. Start young, hunt hard, and enjoy God's bounty. | |||
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Big fan of the 250gr. Speer spitzer here but the Hornady 250 grainer is a great bullet too. I have used these, the 200 gr. Corelokt RN, the 200 gr. Hornady Spire point and the 220 gr. Speer flat nose. All of these have done their work perfectly on deer and hogs. My rifle was an early BLR but soon I will have a short action Remington 700 in 358 to play with. If I had to pick one bullet out of these it would be the first one mentioned. | |||
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Nice to see so many of you still like the old gal even though she is a little slow and old  Interesting how I used to be attracted to every fast magnum on the planet 10 years ago and now realize they are needed under the most specialized of circumstances. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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225 grain partition Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I would avoid Hornady 358 200gr. SP. This is what happened to a 200lb. boar black bear, shot was behind shoulder.   This is what was recover with 10" of penetration  What would have happened if the scapula-humerus joint was hit instead.... | |||
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I still like the 200 grain Hornady. Dead is Dead, even if the bullet did come apart on your bear. If you want a harder built cup and core bullet use the Sierra 225 as it was built for the 35 Whelen. | |||
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250 Hornady RN for me. Remember, forgivness is easier to get than permission. | |||
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No longer own it, but I used to have a BLR in .358 and I shot the factory Winchester Silvertips. Worked really well on Whitetail, and would do well on anything in NA. JP Sauer Drilling 12x12x9.3x72 David Murray Scottish Hammer 12 Bore Alex Henry 500/450 Double Rifle Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock 6.5x55 Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock .30-06 Walther PPQ H2 9mm Walther PPS M2 Cogswell & Harrison Hammer 12 Bore Damascus And Too Many More | |||
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I like the 250gr Speer Hot Cor. I've never recovered a bullet from any of the deer I've shot so I can't speak to expansion but they didn't break up for sure. An important point to keep in mind is that this is relatively low velocity so you don't want to use too tough a premium bullet or it will not expand. Bullets that for good for a .35 Whelen can be a little hard for the .358. | |||
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I shoot only cast boolits in my 358s. 358009 clone 280gr@2100fps or the Saeco #352 clone 250gr@2070fps. Both are from an Accurate Mold. Both will shoot 5 shots in under 1.25" at 100yds. Plenty good for deer. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further brotherhood of a man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves. | |||
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I got great results with the 225 gr Sierra Gk BT. On Red deer I could eat the meat right to the hole! My friend had a disaster with the 200 RN Hornady - similar to the picture of the black bear above. I understand that the Nosler Accubond 225 gr is also great You will need to limit your OAL in the BLR but the 225 Sierra was fine in the BLR I owned briefly. My Win Mod 70 had a longer mag. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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i had a blr in 358 i had taken 2 bears with 200 grain silvertips, both fell in there tracks. i also handloaded the hornady 200 to 2530 fps and the 250 to 2350 . great rig for all big game. | |||
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You are right dead is dead...but when a Big Game bullet acts like a Varmint bullet something is wrong with it. I have used the Hornady 200 gr. SP for over 30 years in 350 Rem. Mag. and 35 Whelen. Always had full penetration when even hitting bone, as close as 30 yards. It's the last lot bought 3 years ago that come apart. I also shot a small 125 lb. buck at 50 yards behind the shoulder. It did the same thing large crater entrance wound only damaging one lung. Deer ran 50 yards stopped stood for about 5 minutes then layed down. I waited 20 minutes then approached the deer ended up shooting again at 30 yards in neck when it tried to get up. The neck shot was a large crater you could put your fist in. There are no branches or twigs that I could have hit because they were shot from a box blind shot in a food plot. | |||
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I shot a medium sized white tail buck with a factory 250 grain Silvertip and it failed to expand. I am sure it would be just the ticket for elk sized animals. | |||
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Sounds like Honady changed the newer 200 gr 358 bullets. The ones that I have used through the years are pretty old. If I can get them, I perfer the Rem core-lokts 200 gr. They seem even harder than the old horadys, but they may have been built for the Whelen. | |||
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How about Wooodlegh 225g? Anyone try these on game? | |||
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I am also leery of using Hornadys. Last month I shot a whitetail that was facing me about 50 yards away with my 338 RCM using a 225 Interlock at about 2,400 fps. Deer dropped in his tracks but when I boned it out the biggest fragment I could find was maybe 25 grains and no part of the bullet even made it past the lungs. Yes, the deer was dead, dropped in his tracks. But it still makes you wonder if the bullet performed as it was designed to do. All I could think about was what would happen with this bullet on a bigger animal? Anyhow, lots of good recommendations from you guys. Think I will look for some 200 or 225 Nosler Partition blems, Speer 225's or 200 gr Corelocks. If I get real energetic will buy a mold and do some casting. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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This is a great bullet Cutting Edge Raptor 358 150 gr. https://cuttingedgebullets.com...Images/ER%20E150.jpg | |||
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Score another vote for the 220-grain Speer Hot Cor. While I have not shot anything besides paper with my new custom .358 Win., It has proven to be the most accurate bullet in my gun (0.5" groups). Looking at tests of .358 bullets on wet newspaper, it is one of the deepest penetraters, along with the Barns TRX. Speer even recommends it for moose and black bear. The only other bullet I've tried is the 225-grain Nos. Partition. With it accuracy goes waaaaay down, with my groups opening up to 0.75-1"  Bottom line is most .358s are very forgiving when talking about accuracy. However at the slower muzzle velocities created by the round, a "standard" cup-and-core bullet is what I am opting for with the Speer. | |||
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The last 358 I had was in the mid 1970s and the big pretty 250 gr. Speer came apart like a bomb on the 4 deer that I shot with it..The last one was 300 yards looking at me and I mis judged the distance, held between the top of his horns and hit him center of the neck under the chin in the center of the white and all but blew his head off, that's over expansion in anybodys book, found some small pieces of jacket only..They may have toughened up that bullet by now, I dunno but I think perhaps the bullets I used were designed for the 35 Remington? The other three deer where shoulder shots and not one pass through and instant kills and all mannor of bloodshot meat. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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My all time favorite for the 358 is the 225 Sierra BT. I shot a big wolf with at 65 yds, it was a pass through from end to end with an exit hole about the size of a mandarin orange, no tracking needed. Free speech has been executed on the altar of political correctness. | |||
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225 Sierra BT for sure! | |||
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I have used the Speer 250 mostly on feral hogs and deer out of both 358 and 35 Whelen rifles. I have not recovered on in a hog yet, some of which were pretty big. Damage is always excellent and exit holes usually around 1 1/2 inches leaking profusely. As I hog hunt at night I have pushed this bullet through spines and shoulders many times with starting velocities of 2200 to 2500 fps at some very close ranges. I took one cow elk with the Whelen with the same good result, a quickly dead animal. | |||
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in my experience, most accurate, by far, in the 358.. but XTP pistol bullets vaporize varmits opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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