I really have no real knowledge of the cartridge and would like to know what it's all about. Pro's / cons...

Basically the 338Win necked to 30. One of various attempts to trump '06 performance,in an '06 action ala H&H parent hull.

Pro could be COAL latitude with upper echelon BC's in an '06 length action.

Con...everything else.(grin)

I'll take another .060" of case length and go 300Winny,short neck and all.

Con -cost of factory brass

Pro- longer neck than 300 Win Mag

Con- about 4.5 gr H2O less capacity

Pro- able to seat bullets out a tad further

Con-- almost non-existent off the shelf ammo

etc, etc

I grew up around old guys that built these in the late 50's early 60's

I keep mine probably out of that nostalgia--

AND my old gun is very accurate and built by a guy I admired

I'm all ears regarding "cost"...in that it can easily be derived by either the 300Winny or 338Winny.

Don't shoot much,do you?

I started wanting a .308N. just after they were announced and several of the best local BC hunters-mountainmen I knew got them. A friend just gave me a minty F.I.E. Musketeer so chambered and I am going to put a good synthetic and 3-pos. safety on it and use it a lot.

This is, IMO, the best .300 out there, all in all and while I have a pristine .300H&H-P-64, my fourth and love it, the modded FN-.308N. is a much superior round for BC hunting, which is all I am interested in.

I have loaded for and shot various .300Winnies, Roys and a RUM and they just do not do it for me like this round does. It is easy to get ammo/brass here and it is 350 fps. faster than any .3006 I have had in the 24" tube with equal bullet weights/types. I have five .3006 rifles and have had probably 15 and the Norma beats them easily.

Each to his own, but, this kicks less than my beloved .338WM and 9.3x62 rifles and WILL whack anything my elderly abilities can find and shoot.

Necking a case up,to launch heavier bullet weights...has been known to increase recoil.

Note the thickness of the sarcasm.

With very minor variations in dimensions, it is a .338 necked to .308. Case capacity and velocity is similar to the .300 H&H. It fits in a 3.35" magazine like a .30-06. Brass is most easily made from .338 Win, although almost any belted magnum case can be used.

It was exceedingly popular for rechambering sporterized '03 Springfields. Now everybody wishes they had their '03 Springfield back in its original unaltered form. My how things change.

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Originally posted by Busheler:
I'm all ears regarding "cost"...in that it can easily be derived by either the 300Winny or 338Winny.

Don't shoot much,do you?

Just keep runnin'

The 408CT can catchya

Seriously--

you should get that boil on your posterior drained--

then the whole website will get some relief

Only YOU,can prevent you from saying something stupid.

I find it VERY entertaining,that you choose not to refrain.

You know your right--

I just needed my glasses--

That thing is on your neck--

After it's drained it'll be a lot easier to get your head pulled outta there

The list of things you very desperately need,would make the Guinness Book.

That obvious,melds nicely with the "intel" you attempt to lay out. It'd be difficult to write a script any more hilarious...but stupidity do work in amazin' ways.

Congratulations?!!?

AND, here's dipshit once again. busheler, would you like to borrow my mobile extractor? Seriously, I'm offering it to you b/c you are definitly in need.

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Originally posted by aliveincc:
AND, here's dipshit once again. busheler, would you like to borrow my mobile extractor? Seriously, I'm offering it to you b/c you are definitly in need.

"Definitly"?

You Texans do unwittingly take stupidity to new heights,with incredible enthusiasm...though it's oblivious.

Which sweetens the pot,for everyone with an IQ over 37.

larry's been drinking again...

My favorite of (2) 300Supers.

Very good Busheler. Much more civilized post.

Good Busheler, good good Busheler!

No! Down Boy! Sit!

WHACK!

You playing sockpuppet,is a touch disconcerting...despite the affliction being a longterm ordeal.

Though admittedly,it's all you can do.

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Originally posted by Busheler:
You playing sockpuppet,is a touch disconcerting...despite the affliction being a longterm ordeal.

Though admittedly,it's all you can do.

"F"

You playing sockpuppet,SPACEis a touch disconcerting...despite the affliction being a longterm ordeal.

Though admittedly,SPACEit's all you can do


Ah, much better....

Feel free to play sockpuppet,it's the only move you've got.

"Much better"...would be a 1-10",#5 fluted Hart,at 24" on a s/a 700 wearing HS DBM,chambered 300WSM. Though yet shy of 7WSM,though I'll assuredly get there when the mood strikes,despite that being much more to your chagrin.

You like the "flutes" it's easy to see.

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Originally posted by BISCUT:
I really have no real knowledge of the cartridge and would like to know what it's all about. Pro's / cons...

Another great alternative is the 30-338. No immediate trimming required, simply neck up 7mm RM brass or neck down 338 WM brass.

I got one built for my dad, he loves it.

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Originally posted by rcamuglia:
You like the "flutes" it's easy to see.

Mike Rock flutes like no other.

That factoid should entertain you for hours.

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Originally posted by .366torque:

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Originally posted by BISCUT:
I really have no real knowledge of the cartridge and would like to know what it's all about. Pro's / cons...

Another great alternative is the 30-338. No immediate trimming required, simply neck up 7mm RM brass or neck down 338 WM brass.

I got one built for my dad, he loves it.

I'm hip on necking down in general,especially on belted hulls,so as to incorporate an initial false shoulder to fully control headspace...devoid of belt interference.

Ah, the beatings have made him behave!

Good Busheler, good good Busheler!

Take notes,have someone read them to you repeatedly and thank me later.

Just might keep a few dicks outta your mouth.

Nawwwwwwwww.

Developed by Nils Kvale "Mr. Norma Magnum" with advise from Philip B. Sharpe (7x61S&H fame)in 1954. Introduced in 1960 by Norma. The original parent case was the GREAT .358 Norma Magnum developed in the 1950´s from the .375 H.&H case.
Is a great ctg. but overshadowed by the Winchester belted magnum line of .30, .338, .458 ctgs.
I had a Browning Safari grade in .308 Norma once. To this day I KICK myself in the arse for selling it.
A fine Ctg.

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Originally posted by BISCUT:
I really have no real knowledge of the cartridge and would like to know what it's all about. Pro's / cons...

I think DuggaBoye pretty much covered the pros/cons. Sometimes a side by side comparison helps.



The neck length is .318 for the Norma and .264 for the 300 Win.

The interesting thing about the grains H2O listed in Quickloads between the 2 cartridges is the wide volume differences of the manufacturers of 300 Win brass.

308 Norma 86.50 gr. H2O

300 Win (W) 93.80 gr. H2O
(R) 88.00 gr. H2O
(N) 95.50 gr. H2O
(F) 92.00 gr. H2O

I have been thinking about rechambering a Springfield sporter that I bought for $300. It has a 26" Old Mcgowan barrel and fajen stock. Probably built in the 50's or 60's. Cost lots more than 3 bills to build it now. I don't have a use for an '06 but couldn't resist at the price. Anyone know what all has to be done feeding wise on an '03 (not an A3) Springfiled.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by K20350:
I don't have a use for an '06 but couldn't resist at the price.QUOTE]

Out of curiousity; if you have no use for an 06, what would you do with a 300(whatever) Magnum? roger

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Originally posted by MickinColo:

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Originally posted by BISCUT:
I really have no real knowledge of the cartridge and would like to know what it's all about. Pro's / cons...

I think DuggaBoye pretty much covered the pros/cons. Sometimes a side by side comparison helps.



The neck length is .318 for the Norma and .264 for the 300 Win.

The interesting thing about the grains H2O listed in Quickloads between the 2 cartridges is the wide volume differences of the manufacturers of 300 Win brass.

308 Norma 86.50 gr. H2O

300 Win (W) 93.80 gr. H2O
(R) 88.00 gr. H2O
(N) 95.50 gr. H2O
(F) 92.00 gr. H2O

Pics always help! Thanks.

I have been watching this thread with interest....I've learned a lot about the round and its use afield. I own ,but don't use a Rather unique (understatement) .308 Norma Magnum.... Gun is a Parker-Hale Hussar in .308 N Mag. But the unusual component is it one of those built on the Brno ZG-47 actions PH purchased from Brno when Brno dispersed their remaining actions to Parker Hale,Waffenfabrik Frankonia and also a few sold to Heym....I just have not used the gun in a hunting situation and was really waiting until I was inspired to build something out of it....
Beautifully constructed action but I have probably ignored it due the 60's California stock styling not being to my taste. Scarse in any form, the PH application of the Norma chambering were the only ZG 47s FACTORY built/sold with Magnum Bolt face and feed rails made by any Manufactuerer including Brno... I guess I need to load up some ammo and give it a go in its current form...
Thanks for the knowledgeable input from those with Field experience with this cartridge.

I would do almost ANYTHING to have that rifle and I own three ZGs now, including a very rare 9.3x62.

The same friend who gave me the FN-.308NM I mentioned above had "dibs" on a minty "Hussar" and I had the money, but, honoured his request not to buy it and then he let it go...and did not tell me. It was going for $450.00 CDN. and this was nearly 20 years ago...I STILL wish I had snagged it!

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It was exceedingly popular for rechambering sporterized '03 Springfields. Now everybody wishes they had their '03 Springfield back in its original unaltered form. My how things change.

Same here in UK...except that in our case it was SMLE rifles into 410 shot guns or No4 rifles into 7.62mm rifles.

Exterior ballistics are interchangeable with the 300 win or wsm. Harry and I have sibling rifles, his is norma, mine is win, both 1903s