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I have a 35 Whelen in a CVA Stalker. Been loading the Hornady 200gr with RL 15. Just not getting the accuracy I have out of factory ammo. Just looking for some load ideas. I use it for Whitetails under 200 yards. | ||
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Any idea of the twist rate of the rifling? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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3031 and 4895 are old standby's. I use Aa2015 with good results and top velocity. "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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Not sure the twist rate. I bought the rifle New 4 or 5 years ago. | |||
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I've had good results from 4064 in my Whelen with both the Hornady 200 grain and the Sierra 225 grain. "For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind..." Hosea 8:7 | |||
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760/414, blc2, 225 sierra game kings, -0.03 off the lands - medium loads, right from the book... Hornady 200gr as good for 35 rem, too soft, and too light for a whelen - opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Accurate 2520 is very accurate in my Whelen, with 200-250 grain bullets, as is Varget. | |||
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I believe mine is a 1 in 10 or 1 in 12 twist rate and really like the 225 grain Barnes "X" Flat base bullet. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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IMR-3031 or IMR-4064. I use them both with bullets up to 250 grain in my bolt action. | |||
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I used to love 3031 -- until i tried 748, 760, and other, modern powders -- 3031 is dirty dirty dirty, in my experience opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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TAC is also useful in the Whelen. Quite a list of powders there to choose from. "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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There are a number of powders that will work in the 35 Whelan and similar cartridges. However I have found that IMR 4320 is the best. Give it a try. | |||
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i like tac/h335 -- all day, everyday -- load from 223 to 550 express with this opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I have a couple and they both like RL15. Since yours doesn't 4320, H335, Varget, and AA2460 have all produced good accuracy in mine as well. I just like the RL15 since so many of my rifles shoot really well with it.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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+1 on the suggestion of 225gr. Sierras and IMR 4064, this has been my go to load for more than 25 yrs.. Always produces nice tight 5 shot cloverleaf groups in my rifle. Tried many other combinations over the years but so far nothing has proved better. | |||
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You might consider the 200 grain accubond and I4895. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I found many years past that IMR-4320 was the only powder in the 35 Whelen, 35 Whelen IMP, and both of the 338-06s std. and IMP..Still is according to my chronograph.. Since you have tried a number of powders and they didn't work, I would start trying different bullets, and I would check the bedding etc. of my gun before I wasted any more time and effort, you simply may have a bad barrel and that sounds most likely. I have found trying to make a barrel shoot is a waste of time and money, get another barrel, the barrel is the heart of accuracy..I know the gun scribes write scores of how they made a bad barrel shoot and Im sure its happened but a touchy barrel really never shoots to satisfy me, its like a town dog, can't fix'em..    Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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RR said he got acceptable accuracy with factory ammo, so it is not a bad barrel. He has not found the right hand load for it. I don't know the twist for CVAs but most 35s are one in 14 or 16. | |||
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I have been loading and shooting The 35 Whelen since 1973. In my 1-12 twist rifle with 225, and 250 grain bullets, has always been 4064. Velocities run 2600 to about 2675 depending on the bullet. Accuracy with both bullets are under .75". My rifle also prefers Accubonds in 225's. Jerry NRA Benefactor Life Member | |||
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My buddy bought the Supergrade today and wants to turn it into a 35 whelen. I am encouraging him to contact you after Christmas dpcd. He's thinking he wants the new barrel to match the shank on the factory 06 and then be sligtley larger for the bigger bore. guessing a no 3 or 4 for balanced at 24". he's pretty psyched! | |||
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I have the reamer. And a 350 rem Mag too and I have done 3 of them in the past 2 weeks. | |||
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So, a quick question, when we speak of group size, such as “Accuracy with both bullets are under .75"”, are we assuming with a high power scope? What is considered a decent group using open irons? I ask because today, if I were concentrating more, I think I could have made a 100yd 2” group with my open sight 35 Whelen, albeit with a lightish load yielding just 2050fps. Is there any extrapolation we can apply regarding a rifle’s accuracy with open sights as we move to scoped shooting? | |||
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I think your question has only to do with how good someone's eyesight is. If the sights are on the target, the rifle will shoot the same groups, open or scope sighted. | |||
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Perhaps, but if the front bead covers the entire black (or more) of the target, I would argue otherwise. Not only that, but a scope allows one to time the shot much more than using a standard sight picture. | |||
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You should sight your rifle so the bullet will hit at the top of your front sight, therefore you will never cover the black with the sight. | |||
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As we were taught in our NRA shooting and safety training classes. I tend to use more than enough gun | |||
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Irons at 100 yards should be 3"s or better every time for three shots with, in which case you probably have a one inch gun with a low power scope such as a 3 r 4 power or any scope for that matter..Scope power doesn't mean much in a hunting rifle even most are over powdered to satisfy a shooters mind set.. Thats where I draw the line on accuracy for a big game hunting rifle. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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