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Okay, here we go... I am heading to South Africa, eastern side. The outfit I will be hunting with has a "free, no limit, shoot all you want please" policy RE baboons. Caveat, the shots will be 300-400+ yards. What would you all take, and why? NO PISSING CONTESTS, PLEASE!! Rich I wish I had my old model 264 Westerner with it's 26" barrel back | ||
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Shot most of my Baboons with the 257 Ackley... worked nicely. They are fairly tough.  Member NRA, SCI- Life #358 28+ years now! DRSS, double owner-shooter since 1983, O/U .30-06 Browning Continental set. | |||
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Hmm Africa long distance perhaps other game. I'm thinking a classic. 300H&H works with lite bullets and the heavy ones for plains game. | |||
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The most accurate rifle you have above 25 caliber and launches a bullet above 2800 fps with an SD of.248 or greater. 25-06 100 grns 270 win 150 6.5x55 in 130 7x57 140 30-06 165 338 win mag 210 Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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.30-378 Wby loaded with S&H 135 grain Mil-Tac SHARRC. 400 yards - 1000 yards - Baboon - Buff - whatever ..... yawn ..... too easy Rich. | |||
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Chances are you won't get that many shots, take your plains game rifle, know the drop, and be done with it. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I'm guessing that after the first shot the Baboons will be red rumping it way out of site. | |||
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I would carry a very accurate 308 WCF with a Leuopld 2.5 to 8x Mark 4 M3 or a 3.5to 10x Mark 4 M3 [the ones with a Ballistic Cam] and a good rangefinder. Ammo would be 168gr Winchester Ballistic Silvertip, as it ranges great with the 168 Match cam that comes with the Leupolds. For the bigger plains game I would use the Fderal 165 Trophy Bonded Bearclaws. In most 308's with good barrels they hit close enough together to use the same zero out to at least 200 yards. After 200 yards just use the Ballistic Tips on plains game. Shooting baboons is great fun. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Rich, not very sexy, but a 300 win mag with 168 gr. tsx's or accubonds gives you and honest 3100 fps and zeroed around 4"high at 100 will put you pretty much dead on around 300 and you should be able to hold over or use a mil-dot or ballistic reticle to do more. GWB | |||
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Nothing that the 300H&H won't do, when you get to the heavier bullets then you will see where shines. | |||
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I've been meaning to do a 300 H&H. Keep on getting distracted. GWB | |||
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A gun you are handy with..... | |||
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I wouldn't pacjk a 2nd rifle just for baboons, not worth the hassle. Any 2800fps+ round is flat enough for 350yd shots if you are capable. If yo uare taking a light rifle like a 270 or 280 for PG, that would be fine. You might want to go w/ a bullet like the NBT, at those distance they'll perform well. LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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Rich you going all the way to Africa. Take what ever is your favorite "Plains game rifle", and the 308 I mentioned in my previous post. Either rifle can do the job of the other.... But being able to lazer a baboon at 425 yards, and immediately twist the BC to 425, aim, account for the wind and shoot, and get the hit... Makes having the dedicated 308 baboon rifle worth the trouble...   Not that I have any "Personal Knowledge" of shooting Primates...   DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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The few times I hunted in the RSA my hosts had "shoot every jackal and wildcat you see" policies but I didn't bring a varmint rifle. The one jackal I encountered under these rules of engagement fell to a 220 soft from my 30'06. | |||
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.280 Aim for the exit hole | |||
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I'd take my 264WM. But then, I probably don't have as many rifles as you do.  Larry "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading" -- Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Hey, this is supposed to be a kid-friendly site!  Gotta' love the Old Testament; nobody punishes inequity like YHVH. | |||
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Rich- If I were you I would take a smaller caliber rifle that you shoot well. Remember that you are restricted on the ammount of ammo you can take and smaller caliber means more ammo. The tracker I had shoots baboons out of an orchard in the off season and uses a 223 with great success. The only easy day is yesterday! | |||
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300 winmag, 130 or 150gr tsx ot ttsx, 3100 fps, 4-16 scope, laser range finder, ballastics taped to buttstock the 150gr ttsx would be my "hunt everything" but my 300 win is WICKED accurate, light enough to carry all day, and one of my least expensive rifles. baring that... a 270 with 130 ttsx or my 7x64 with 140 gr ttsx .. all of them loaded mild, with fast powders ... i shoot better with less muzzle flash (everyone does) opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Me? My 270 Bee 130 Accubonds at almost 3500 fps. | |||
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