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I've been spending a lot of time thinking about cartridges lately and have come to the realization that sectional enermentum is the key to a hunting cartridge. I'm currently in the process of writing a paper that I will be submitting to various publications. Please stay tuned... | ||
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This should be good. ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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what is that? | |||
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Hell if I know.....mass divided by energy? ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I thought that this was all solved by the BSI in the Accurate Reloading Africa book  Although what has been on this forum recently comes a lot closer to the Barnyard (excrement) Index than the Bwana Saeed Index! Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Better than an enerma... Rich | |||
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What's that? Better than an enema? Bill | |||
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You guys should stop poking fun. This is serious stuff. The shortened name for this is Mo/Ke/SeX and Warrior knows all about it. He has Googled it extensively and will repeat all his GoogleFu until it is the truth. And that is the way it is.  | |||
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Now it starts...I told you so ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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There is so much I need to learn.  Glad I don't hunt anything bigger than black bear. I would just get a .375H&H for anything bigger and it might not be the right gun Molon Labe New account for Jacobite | |||
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"An increase in SD leads to less energy transfer to target per unit distance penetrated and thus deeper penetration. The lower the SD the shallower the penetration, the bigger the energy dump to target and the bigger the temporary cavity." ....... Karl Sellier (Shusswaffen und Shusswerkungen) Warrior | |||
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GoogleFu #1 Two excellent examples. To put it in practical terms. The high SD bullet will penetrate through the animal and three thorn trees. The low SD bullet will penetrate through the animal and one thorn three. I will take the lighter faster bullet for the greater energy dump and larger temporary channel any day. Thanks Warrior, good example. | |||
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Shame !!! What crap you are spewing again. Warrior | |||
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Guess we need a "Face book/Twitter" section on this site? | |||
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Provided the caliber is large enough for the intended game right? So when using our .223 for Elk we go for the heavy bullets right?  Molon Labe New account for Jacobite | |||
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The answer to the question of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin depends on whether they are ballroom dancing or in a conga line. | |||
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Enermentum has nothing to do with sectional density. It has everything to do with bullet construction and the amount of Balonium infused in the jacket. | |||
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Now that's what I call a weener!  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Ball onium......I need some of dat! ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Was this a serious thread, once upon a time...? Rich | |||
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NO SSR | |||
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All this talk about penetration...it's giving me a bit ... of the vapors! Bill | |||
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Forget energy and momentum... foreplay is the real key to penetration ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the 270 won't do it the .338 will, if the 338 won't I can't afford the hunt! | |||
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Trust me.....you'll get over it!  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Foreplay without the energy and momentum to carry it through doesn't work either! Regards 303Guy | |||
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I can't wait, didn't you forget to mention that only cartridges loaded with unobtanium bullets that are jacketed with bulonium have the highest coefficient of bullistic crapacus? We all know that sectional enermentum is a factor of the angle of the dangle times the square of the mass when measured 4.3 barrel lengths from the muzzle for velocities under 2742fps and 4.737 barrel length from the muzzle for velocities over 2742fps. (yes, we know that there are other factors to consider such as the gravitational pull of a full moon at high tide) With bated breath, we are standing beside ourselves in anticipation of your article, please publish it here first. Don't ask me what happened, when I left Viet Nam, we were winning. | |||
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Finally someone has figured it out! _________________________ Glenn | |||
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But now that we know that foreplay is the most important factor in getting penetration, is it width or length that matter most in creating maximum effect? Regards, AIU | |||
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Dear Sir, You are moving closer to the truth: You mentioned .... width and length The mass will be determined by the specific gravity value , which is lighter than lead (11.35) Sir we have come full circle to SD. Warrior | |||
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In summary then, an increase in SD leads to less energy transfer to the target per unit distance penetrated, and thus deeper penetration. The lower the SD the shallower the penetration, but the bigger the energy dump cause a bigger temporary cavity. In our current ballistic system, a higher SD value comes with more MOMENTUM and less ENERGY, and this is the point that Karl Sellier makes, and the important point being that we cannot make up lost momentum with more velocity and achieve the same terminal result. Could it be that Karl Sellier has lost all his marbles?  Professor Karl Sellier, University of Bonn. Warrior PS: One of his publications: Wound ballistics and the scientific background Karl G. Sellier and Beat P. Kneubuehl. Published 1994 A reference work used by forensic scientists. | |||
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If "Momentum" becomes more accurate to describe particle collision, but "Energy" is more accurate to describe "Transduction Processes" (as for example from electrons to photons within a common light bulb), then a new concept ("Enermentum"), needs to be both: defined and accepted! "Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult." | |||
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Funny, I didn't think she knew any thing about ballistics, but that's what she said, " You need to increase your sextional density!!!". Bill | |||
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IIRC, Big Mortie used 17 gr of enermentum under Big Mama's biscuit crumbles in his favorite 12 ga squill load. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Tune in next week for part two: Patience, Permission and Lube. | |||
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Good one, ghubert! _________________________ Glenn | |||
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But what do you do with all that foreplay, length, and width, if you get shot down? Seems like a big waste of kinetic energy and momentum...and time for a cold shower. | |||
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Always use enough gun. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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