Sectional Enermentum

13 March 2011, 20:17

I've been spending a lot of time thinking about cartridges lately and have come to the realization that sectional enermentum is the key to a hunting cartridge. I'm currently in the process of writing a paper that I will be submitting to various publications. Please stay tuned...

13 March 2011, 20:35

ted thorn

This should be good.

13 March 2011, 21:58

Nordic2

quote:
enermentum

what is that?

13 March 2011, 22:09

ted thorn

Hell if I know.....mass divided by energy?

13 March 2011, 22:34

vapodog

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13 March 2011, 22:50

Blacktailer

I thought that this was all solved by the BSI in the Accurate Reloading Africa book

Although what has been on this forum recently comes a lot closer to the Barnyard (excrement) Index than the Bwana Saeed Index!

14 March 2011, 00:32

Idaho Sharpshooter

Better than an enerma...

Rich

14 March 2011, 00:36

Mekong

What's that? Better than an enema?

14 March 2011, 00:44

Gerard

You guys should stop poking fun. This is serious stuff. The shortened name for this is Mo/Ke/SeX and Warrior knows all about it. He has Googled it extensively and will repeat all his GoogleFu until it is the truth.

And that is the way it is.

14 March 2011, 01:56

ted thorn

quote:
Originally posted by ted thorn:

This should be good.

Now it starts...I told you so

14 March 2011, 02:31

Hot Core

quote:
Originally posted by Gerard:
You guys should stop poking fun. This is serious stuff. The shortened name for this is Mo/Ke/SeX and Warrior knows all about it. He has Googled it extensively and will repeat all his GoogleFu until it is the truth.

And that is the way it is.

14 March 2011, 02:41

Donald Nelson

There is so much I need to learn.

Glad I don't hunt anything bigger than black bear.

I would just get a .375H&H for anything bigger and it might not be the right gun

14 March 2011, 02:54

Warrior

"An increase in SD leads to less energy transfer to target per unit distance penetrated and thus deeper penetration. The lower the SD the shallower the penetration, the bigger the energy dump to target and the bigger the temporary cavity." ....... Karl Sellier (Shusswaffen und Shusswerkungen)

Warrior

14 March 2011, 03:00

Gerard

GoogleFu #1

quote:
"An increase in SD leads to less energy transfer to target per unit distance penetrated and thus deeper penetration. The lower the SD the shallower the penetration, the bigger the energy dump to target and the bigger the temporary cavity." ....... Karl Sellier (Shusswaffen und Shusswerkungen)

Two excellent examples. To put it in practical terms. The high SD bullet will penetrate through the animal and three thorn trees. The low SD bullet will penetrate through the animal and one thorn three. I will take the lighter faster bullet for the greater energy dump and larger temporary channel any day. Thanks Warrior, good example.

14 March 2011, 03:09

Warrior

Shame !!!
What crap you are spewing again.

Warrior

14 March 2011, 03:14

Jim C. <><

quote:
I'm currently in the process of writing a paper that I will be submitting to various publications. Please stay tuned...

Guess we need a "Face book/Twitter" section on this site?

14 March 2011, 03:17

Donald Nelson

quote:
Originally posted by Gerard:
GoogleFu #1

quote:
"An increase in SD leads to less energy transfer to target per unit distance penetrated and thus deeper penetration. The lower the SD the shallower the penetration, the bigger the energy dump to target and the bigger the temporary cavity." ....... Karl Sellier (Shusswaffen und Shusswerkungen)
Two excellent examples. To put it in practical terms. The high SD bullet will penetrate through the animal and three thorn trees. The low SD bullet will penetrate through the animal and one thorn three. I will take the lighter faster bullet for the greater energy dump and larger temporary channel any day. Thanks Warrior, good example.

Provided the caliber is large enough for the intended game right? So when using our .223 for
Elk we go for the heavy bullets right?

14 March 2011, 04:19

Cross L

The answer to the question of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin depends on whether they are ballroom dancing or in a conga line.

14 March 2011, 05:02

Hollis Perkins

Enermentum has nothing to do with sectional density. It has everything to do with bullet construction and the amount of Balonium infused in the jacket.

14 March 2011, 05:26

vapodog

quote:
It has everything to do with bullet construction and the amount of Balonium infused in the jacket.

Now that's what I call a weener!

14 March 2011, 05:39

ted thorn

quote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
quote:
It has everything to do with bullet construction and the amount of Balonium infused in the jacket.

Now that's what I call a weener!

Ball onium......I need some of dat!

14 March 2011, 06:04

Idaho Sharpshooter

Was this a serious thread, once upon a time...?

Rich

14 March 2011, 06:21

Cross L

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Was this a serious thread, once upon a time...?

Rich

NO

SSR

14 March 2011, 06:23

Mekong

All this talk about penetration...it's giving me a bit ... of the vapors!

14 March 2011, 07:09

Wayfaring Stranger

Forget energy and momentum... foreplay is the real key to penetration

14 March 2011, 07:14

vapodog

quote:
Originally posted by Mekong:
All this talk about penetration...it's giving me a bit ... of the vapors!

Trust me.....you'll get over it!

14 March 2011, 08:24

303Guy

quote:
Forget energy and momentum... foreplay is the real key to penetration

Foreplay without the energy and momentum to carry it through doesn't work either!

14 March 2011, 09:05

RonE

quote:
Originally posted by duckboat:
I've been spending a lot of time thinking about cartridges lately and have come to the realization that sectional enermentum is the key to a hunting cartridge. I'm currently in the process of writing a paper that I will be submitting to various publications. Please stay tuned...

I can't wait, didn't you forget to mention that only cartridges loaded with unobtanium bullets that are jacketed with bulonium have the highest coefficient of bullistic crapacus? We all know that sectional enermentum is a factor of the angle of the dangle times the square of the mass when measured 4.3 barrel lengths from the muzzle for velocities under 2742fps and 4.737 barrel length from the muzzle for velocities over 2742fps. (yes, we know that there are other factors to consider such as the gravitational pull of a full moon at high tide)

With bated breath, we are standing beside ourselves in anticipation of your article, please publish it here first.

14 March 2011, 11:51

someoldguy

quote:
Forget energy and momentum... foreplay is the real key to penetration

Finally someone has figured it out!

14 March 2011, 16:19

Ackley Improved User

But now that we know that foreplay is the most important factor in getting penetration, is it width or length that matter most in creating maximum effect? Regards, AIU

14 March 2011, 17:52

Warrior

Dear Sir,

You are moving closer to the truth:
You mentioned .... width and length
The mass will be determined by the specific gravity value , which is lighter than lead (11.35)

Sir we have come full circle to SD.

Warrior

14 March 2011, 18:04

Warrior

In summary then, an increase in SD leads to less energy transfer to the target per unit distance penetrated, and thus deeper penetration. The lower the SD the shallower the penetration, but the bigger the energy dump cause a bigger temporary cavity.

In our current ballistic system, a higher SD value comes with more MOMENTUM and less ENERGY, and this is the point that Karl Sellier makes, and the important point being that we cannot make up lost momentum with more velocity and achieve the same terminal result.

Could it be that Karl Sellier has lost all his marbles?

Professor Karl Sellier, University of Bonn.

Warrior

PS: One of his publications:
Wound ballistics and the scientific background
Karl G. Sellier and Beat P. Kneubuehl.
Published 1994
A reference work used by forensic scientists.

14 March 2011, 20:16

Oday450

If "Momentum" becomes more accurate to describe particle collision, but "Energy" is more accurate to describe "Transduction Processes" (as for example from electrons to photons within a common light bulb), then a new concept ("Enermentum"), needs to be both: defined and accepted!

15 March 2011, 01:31

Mekong

quote:
Originally posted by Warrior:
In summary then, an increase in SD leads to less energy transfer to the target per unit distance penetrated, and thus deeper penetration. The lower the SD the shallower the penetration, but the bigger the energy dump cause a bigger temporary cavity.

In our current ballistic system, a higher SD value comes with more MOMENTUM and less ENERGY, and this is the point that Karl Sellier makes, and the important point being that we cannot make up lost momentum with more velocity and achieve the same terminal result.

Could it be that Karl Sellier has lost all his marbles?
Professor Karl Sellier, University of Bonn.

Warrior

PS: One of his publications:
Wound ballistics and the scientific background
Karl G. Sellier and Beat P. Kneubuehl.
Published 1994
A reference work used by forensic scientists.

Funny, I didn't think she knew any thing about ballistics, but that's what she said, " You need to increase your sextional density!!!".

15 March 2011, 01:55

tiggertate

quote:
enermentum

IIRC, Big Mortie used 17 gr of enermentum under Big Mama's biscuit crumbles in his favorite 12 ga squill load.

15 March 2011, 02:34

vapodog

quote:
Originally posted by tiggertate:
IIRC, Big Mortie used 17 gr of enermentum under Big Mama's biscuit crumbles in his favorite 12 ga squill load.

15 March 2011, 02:53

Ghubert

quote:
Originally posted by someoldguy:
quote:
Forget energy and momentum... foreplay is the real key to penetration

Finally someone has figured it out!

Tune in next week for part two: Patience, Permission and Lube.

15 March 2011, 05:31

someoldguy

quote:
Tune in next week for part two: Patience, Permission and Lube.

Good one, ghubert!

15 March 2011, 08:18

Ackley Improved User

But what do you do with all that foreplay, length, and width, if you get shot down? Seems like a big waste of kinetic energy and momentum...and time for a cold shower.