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Therefore, I am proposing the 281 Windbag. It is based on a 30-06 case and fires a .281" diameter bullet with an optimum weight of 153 grains. It has never been done before but it will be the perfect cartridge for every situation.

I don't know why anyone interested in any other caliber, would post here, except for the great Windbag cartridge. I shoot the 270, as my mid caliber rifle, but a 7X64 or 65, 280 etc, would be fine. My 150 grain Nosler Partition loads, with 58 Grains of XMR3100, equal 2950fps, out of a 24" barrel, and 3050fps, out of a 26". Pretty hard to beat that,with any mid caliber rifle, and a standard case capacity.

The 270 Winchester, is just a fantastic cartridge. Does that mean I want to knock the 7mm's hell no, can't knock success, and if I did it might look like I don't know what the phuck I am talking about.

Jerry

Worth repeating.......

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The 270 Winchester, is just a fantastic cartridge. Does that mean I want to knock the 7mm's hell no, can't knock success, and if I did it might look like I don't know what the phuck I am talking about.
Jerry

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And thanks for posting your load..
Unfortunately the Canadian distributer has decided to not carry Western Powders brand any more from what I was told when I asked for some AA3100 last week..

Low Wall:

That's to bad about the 3100. The load I posted is right out of their data manual. I believe, H4831 is very close, and you may be able to acheive the same vels with it, however, I have not been able to get all the powder some loads list into my cases. Winchester cases, in my experience has the most capacity.

Jerry

All may not be lost as the fellow I talked at the gun shop said that they sent a e-mail to Western Powders to see how many pounds they would have to import to make it cost effective for them..
Accurate Arms 4350 (8# jug rat holed from the clinton powder shortage scare) does a great job in my old 7X57 with 175gr Hornadys..
From their manual it looked like AA3100 would also be useful for what I reload for.. Esp. for cast bullets with some of their 100% full case low pressure data in the larger bores..

I just not a 270fan for anything. When looking for a lt.wt. "mountain gun" cartirdge, I went 280. About the same recoil as the 270 w/ a bit more bullet for elk size game when needed. Is is a "better" cartridge, probably not, just as good, certainly.

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Originally posted by phurley5:
In my opinion the .270 WSM trumps both the .270 and .280. With 150 grain North Fork Or Nosler Partition bullets at 3175 fps, how does that compare. Good shooting.

And the 280 AI trumps the 270WSM so where does that leave us?

I have a .280AI and chose it over the .277 caliber purely for the bullet selection. I agree with an earlier post that with the bullet technology being what it is today, calibers such as the .270 are more widely accepted as Larger game calibers.

I have both and like the 270 better for a different reason. Winchester 280 brass is nickle plated and I have had several bad experiences with Remington brass. I mostly use a 270 and winchester brass.

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Originally posted by tom ga hunter:
I have both and like the 270 better for a different reason. Winchester 280 brass is nickle plated and I have had several bad experiences with Remington brass. I mostly use a 270 and winchester brass.

If yo ushoot a 280, just go to Norma brass & be happy. Culled RP brass is fine too.

My 280 heavy barrel shoots the heavy bullets as good as .5 at 100 yards.

I like the 270 because with the TSX bullets - the 110 grainers, you have a good deer rifle, and loaded to 2800 fps or so, also light recoil for the wife and kids. Then when the kids mature - the same rifle is good for everything around here.

This makes it a better choice, than say, a .243.

My two cents,

Phil

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Originally posted by Chop901:
Both the .270 and the .280 are marginal for elk. That said, most rifles are easily rebored or rebarreled to the .35 Whelen. With the frontal area and weight of a 250 grain bullet, you have a real elk rifle out to any reasonable range.

I like the way you think.
Paul B.

Paul: You know I am a 35 Whelen fan, but the largest Arizona elk I have shot, was with the 270. I have shot several elk with the Whelen, and it is spectacular, but none of those elk went down as dramaticaly as the one with the 270, and that was with a 130 Grain winchester bulk bullet. Everyone in my family 4, has shot an elk with the 270, and they were all bang flop. I believe it is whee you hit um, not how much mail the bullet brings. In fact I would go on record as saying, in the hands of a rifleman, the 270 is enough for all the game on earth, except the dangerous 4 plus large bears.

Jerry

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Originally posted by Jerry Eden:
...In fact I would go on record as saying, in the hands of a rifleman, the 270 is enough for all the game on earth, except the dangerous 4 plus large bears. ...

Good post, Jerry, it's refreshing to read an opinion that is based on REAL expeience and not attention-seeking posturing.

I cannot speak to the whole world, but, the .270Win. is just fine for any game here in Canada and I never hesitate to carry mine while hunting in Grizzly country, something I have been doing for 46 seasons.

I saw a old friend, now long passed, kill a good interior Grizzly with his .270Win. and know of others also killed with this round. It would not be my "first" choice for Elk, Moose and Grizzy, but, I would never hesitate to use it had I not other choices.

Any hesitation on using it is due to my being a backpack hunter and just prefering a .338WM and larger when packing game meat in Grizzly areas. That said, some of the most successful hunters I have known here have used the .270Win. to quickly kill scores of Elk, Moose and other game.

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Originally posted by Dewey:
blah blah blah in Grizzly country, .

blah ...a good interior Grizzly with blah blah and Grizzy, blah.

blah blah prefering a .338WM blah.

So it is kutiee. I thought so. You went slinking away a few years ago and now you are still posting the same old bologna.

Pitiful and Pathetic. I doubt kutiee has ever even seen a Bear let alone a Griz.

The 270 is plenty of gun for elk if you can shoot well. If you can't shoot well then go to a bigger caliber like a 338 and you will probably shoot worst!

465H&H

Yup, the range of Elk rounds from .270Win to ,338WM includes a lot of good choices that will do the job for those who can shoot. It helps if you can hike in Elk country, too and many soft poseurs from the flatlands cannot. A good ol' Idaho Panhandle boy would be right at home where I was born and raised and one of the best places I know for elk is along the BC-Idaho border.

Do ya think we could join BC, AB, Yukon and NWT with WA, ID, MT, WY and maybe northern OR and then seceed from all the damm easterners...kick out all anti-gunners, feeder shooters and liberal pukes of any type?????

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Originally posted by Dewey:
Yup, the range of Elk rounds from .270Win to ,338WM includes a lot of good choices that will do the job for those who can shoot. It helps if you can hike in Elk country, too and many soft poseurs from the flatlands cannot. A good ol' Idaho Panhandle boy would be right at home where I was born and raised and one of the best places I know for elk is along the BC-Idaho border.

Do ya think we could join BC, AB, Yukon and NWT with WA, ID, MT, WY and maybe northern OR and then seceed from all the damm easterners...kick out all anti-gunners, feeder shooters and liberal pukes of any type?????

No fair teasing like that.

The 270 and 280 are pees in a pod. The 280 being the slightly better of the two.

HotCor. Dewey has shot Elk and seen many Grizzlies. If you live in B.C. and do any serious hunting you will see Grizzlies.

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Originally posted by Dewey:

Do ya think we could join BC, AB, Yukon and NWT with WA, ID, MT, WY and maybe northern OR and then seceed from all the damm easterners...kick out all anti-gunners, feeder shooters and liberal pukes of any type?????

Too many Dumucrats in Washington and northern OR. What you really mean is eastern WA and eastern OR.....and you forgot Utah.

Concur on Idaho panhandle area, because I was also born and raised there.

Barstooler

What you

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The 270 is plenty of gun for elk if you can shoot well. If you can't shoot well then go to a bigger caliber like a 338 and you will probably shoot worst!

465H&H Man is that true!!
This might be another issue, but how many of you guys, or any others for that matter, spend a lot of time on the bench with say cals, like 35 Whelen, 338WM, or just any of the RUMS, or belted Mags, with heavy bullets? With practice, the recoil fear can be overcome. My experience, over 400rounds thru a 375H&H, mostly on the bench or sand bagged car hood.

Jerry

This thing about people not being able to shoot big guns allways brings a smile to my face. If you've never really had or shot big ones then ya you may have a little trouble. My smallest hunting gun is an STW. I shoot my 338, 375s and 416 and bigger all the time as I'm sure most guys on the big bore forum do. With practice they become the norm. My son who's been shooting since he was young handles my 338 and 375, even my 416 like a 308. No recoil problems at all. It's what you are used to. Just because it's got 4000+ ft/lbs and wieghs 8 lbs doesn't mean you can't shoot it. I've completely lost interest in standard calibers, what can a 270 do that my 338 featherwieght can't do?

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what can a 270 do that my 338 featherwieght can't do?

probably nothing.

And a duce and a half will get me to the ranch with no problems. But I'd rather drive my Silverado.

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what can a 270 do that my 338 featherwieght can't do?

It can kill two animals with the the same amount of bullet weight the 338 uses to kill one animal...almost. I like fat bullets, but don't like them over 2400 fps. Even so, a 130 grain pill will kill anything in this country just as dead as a 250 grainer...just gotta put it in the right place.

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Originally posted by Dewey:

Do ya think we could join BC, AB, Yukon and NWT with WA, ID, MT, WY and maybe northern OR and then seceed from all the damm easterners...kick out all anti-gunners, feeder shooters and liberal pukes of any type?????

It would be good riddance for some of you liberal A-holes. Could you dip down on the Eastern side and pick up all the liberal socialist A-holes from the NorthEast. And don't forget your dummycrat buddies in DC.

But I suspect that like here, you are in the minority but are just more obnoxious with your stupid beliefs, so I would not want to lose all the good Americans who live in Idaho, Oregon et.al. who surely don't support your more vocal minority views which you insist on foisting on others.

Like HC, you do remind me a lot of kutenay who was also a holier-than-thou Canadian.

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Originally posted by woods:

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Originally posted by Dewey:

Do ya think we could join BC, AB, Yukon and NWT with WA, ID, MT, WY and maybe northern OR and then seceed from all the damm easterners...kick out all anti-gunners, feeder shooters and liberal pukes of any type?????

It would be good riddance for some of you liberal A-holes. Could you dip down on the Eastern side and pick up all the liberal socialist A-holes from the NorthEast. And don't forget your dummycrat buddies in DC.

But I suspect that like here, you are in the minority but are just more obnoxious with your stupid beliefs, so I would not want to lose all the good Americans who live in Idaho, Oregon et.al. who surely don't support your more vocal minority views which you insist on foisting on others.

Like HC, you do remind me a lot of kutenay who was also a holier-than-thou Canadian.

Well, my comment was in jest and really not intended for you or anyone like you. What you think is really not a concern of mine, so, why not go and rant to someone who gives a shit what you say.....your "wetback" mama, maybe?

I've used a 270 for many years on Idaho deer, elk, and antelope plus a bunch of varmints. My first center-fire shooter was a .270.

Never felt under-gunned on the above species, and unlike my best buddy, Hotsh$t, I am not an expert on the taking of Grizzly with a .270 having never shot one. I know..... I know I should be able to pontificate endlessly on the inadequacies of the .270 but would rather speak from experience in the area of question. We have them here in Idaho and I've seen them in the wild but no open seasons available in Idaho for them.

With some proper loading a .270 gives out great performance from my experience.

Just realized I missed an additional(fourth) " Grizzly " in the three paragraphs.

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Originally posted by MTM:
HotCor. Dewey has shot Elk and seen many Grizzlies. ...

Hey MTM, If you are saying "you" have personally witnessed him doing it, then that is the only way I'd believe it. Otherwise, when he posted as kutiee, he was nothing but a blow-hard braggart with no actual experience.

I remember when chuckee, kutiee and jorge(hore-hay) used to fight to see which of them could get their head the fartherest up AD's clinton.

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kutiee can change skirts(just like teenScumee), but he is still the same:
Well, my comment was to AC and really not intended for you or anyone like you...

she seems to think a "Public Forum" is for Private Discussions. Doesn't have a clue about the real world - meaning outside in the woods.

Next thing you know, they will be blowharding about how great the "Holy Grail"(totally rag) P-64 M70s are. Anyone who has even a bit of firearms knowledge can tell you the current generation of M70s made by the excellent Quality focused folks in S.C., at FN are the very best M70s ever created.

HC, I think that you should realize that attacking me here will not deflect the legitimate queries made about your actual Elk hunting/killing experience.

I know that this will not deter you from your never-ending nonsense and self-aggrandizing lies and since you are not worth further attention, I will just say that most guys here see you as you are, a sad, little wannabe neverwas who snipes at men whom he could never hope to equal.

Leave Allan out of this, he was a MAN and I grieve his untimely demise; you are a creature and beneath contempt for even mentioning his name, you little knob gobbler.

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Originally posted by TEANCUM:
I've used a 270 for many years on Idaho deer, elk, and antelope plus a bunch of varmints. My first center-fire shooter was a .270.

Never felt under-gunned on the above species, and unlike my best buddy, Hotsh$t, I am not an expert on the taking of Grizzly with a .270 having never shot one. I know..... I know I should be able to pontificate endlessly on the inadequacies of the .270 but would rather speak from experience in the area of question. We have them here in Idaho and I've seen them in the wild but no open seasons available in Idaho for them.

With some proper loading a .270 gives out great performance from my experience.

Well,your actual experience trumps HC's neurotic fantasizing, eh? I have witnessed one Grizzly kill by an old guy I knew, this was just north of where you live on the BC side and a single 150 NP, the older type, from his P-64 .270Win. did the job.

I never worry about bears when packing a .270 or .280 and I CAN shoot my .338s, etc, very well, I simply find it easier to carry the lighter rifles in BC mountain terrain. I have a light .338WM Sts Classic Mod. 70 with a Micky being built now as a "beater" and will probably pack that in bear country, but, I agree with your points.....funny, how those who live in Elk-Grizzly country develop much the same opinions........and those who don't..... well.........

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
Just realized I missed an additional(fourth) " Grizzly " in the three paragraphs.

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Originally posted by MTM:
HotCor. Dewey has shot Elk and seen many Grizzlies. ...

Hey MTM, If you are saying "you" have personally witnessed him doing it, then that is the only way I'd believe it. Otherwise, when he posted as kutiee, he was nothing but a blow-hard braggart with no actual experience.

I remember when chuckee, kutiee and jorge(hore-hay) used to fight to see which of them could get their head the fartherest up AD's clinton.

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kutiee can change skirts(just like teenScumee), but he is still the same:
Well, my comment was to AC and really not intended for you or anyone like you...

she seems to think a "Public Forum" is for Private Discussions. Doesn't have a clue about the real world - meaning outside in the woods.

Next thing you know, they will be blowharding about how great the "Holy Grail"(totally rag) P-64 M70s are. Anyone who has even a bit of firearms knowledge can tell you the current generation of M70s made by the excellent Quality focused folks in S.C., at FN are the very best M70s ever created.

Sucking on the bottle early this morning aren't we. Dude you are a tool.

Woods: I don't know what Dewey did to piss you off, but I read his post exactly 180' from your interpritation! Just because a guys from canada, dosen't mean he is not one of us. Besides, what the hell does all this shit have to do with the 270/280, lets stick with the subject at hand, or start a new thread!!

Jerry

O.K. no I have not been with Dewey when he's shot Elk but I have known him for many years. He grew up in the heart of Elk country and I'm sure I've seen racks in his basement. O.K. he my be a touch opinionated. LOL Aren't we all once we get older. He does know a lot about guns and has a big stack of those old model 70s and other fine guns. I was in no way slamming the 270/280 in my last posts. I've shot Deer with both and both worked just fine. I just find my 338 works a little better.

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Originally posted by Jerry Eden:
Woods: I don't know what Dewey did to piss you off, but I read his post exactly 180' from your interpritation! Just because a guys from canada, dosen't mean he is not one of us. Besides, what the hell does all this shit have to do with the 270/280, lets stick with the subject at hand, or start a new thread!!

Jerry

Fine with me but he is the exclusionist here and started it

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Originally posted by Dewey: Do ya think we could join BC, AB, Yukon and NWT with WA, ID, MT, WY and maybe northern OR and then seceed from all the damm easterners...kick out all anti-gunners, feeder shooters and liberal pukes of any type?????

and have never thought poorly of Canadians in general, note that I said I suspected he was in the minority.

Do you think he should get a free pass to make stupid remarks about all the rest of us or he should be exposed for the prejudiced mean spirited AH he is?

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Originally posted by the queer skirt-wearing kutiee:
Leave Allan out of this, ...

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by jerree:
blah, blah lets stick with the subject at hand, or start a new thread!!

AD, AD, AD, AD, You do not want me mentioning AD. I'd totally forgotten about kutiee's Authority Complex(total lack of). The scum always thought he could "Order" people around and it appears jerree has that same trait.

Really can't imagine "WHY?" I'd desire to ignore either of those fools "Orders" and bring up AD or post that both (and of course chuckee) are the lowest form of "Wanna-Be" scum on the Board. So, If I decide to mention AD, or if I decide not to mention AD, it will be my choice, not kutiees Command.

Since I totally oppose speaking BAD about dead people, I can't imagine ANYONE saying anything BAD about AD again.
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Hey MTM, I certainly appreciate your honesty. Having seen kutiee Blow-Hard and Brag about "imagined" fantasies for a long time, I imagine that either someone gave them to him, or they were road Kills. Did they look like they had a "Tread Pattern" over them?

Since you mention he has a BIG Stack of the old (rag) M70s, that really indicates he does not know a lot about rifles - same as always. I had them at one time too, but fortunately those (total rag) P-64 M70s are just bad, inaccurate, wrong stock design for a scope, Termite Food, constantly Rusting - bad memories.

The new M70s being built in Columbia. S.C., that I've handled and watched being manufactured are simply the best M70s that have ever been produced. Even have a specific Model in mind that I've tried to get before. Maybe it will work out this time, but it sure won't be a barely adequate Coyote Rifle(mostly worthless 270Win).

Nope, can't remember any tire tracks. Hahaha.

I've had a ton of the old ones too. Includeing a couple of nice/rare ones. I now shoot all Classics. Don't mind the old actions at all other than they're too short and its a crime to cut into them. Yes I've had a few factory long ones but I'd just as soon use a stainless Classic. Sorry to take this thread sideways.

Mike, you will find that this guy is a genuine "nutter" and about the biggest blowhard and total azzwipe on AR. He is best ignored and his foolish comments left for the bullshit that they are.

You should read some of his bizarre claims from years past and you will soon realize what he is.....remember "Big" and "Bone" from another forum, well, this dipshit is just more of the same, but, worse....ignore him.

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Originally posted by woods:

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Originally posted by Jerry Eden:
Woods: I don't know what Dewey did to piss you off, but I read his post exactly 180' from your interpritation! Just because a guys from canada, dosen't mean he is not one of us. Besides, what the hell does all this shit have to do with the 270/280, lets stick with the subject at hand, or start a new thread!!

Jerry

Fine with me but he is the exclusionist here and started it

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Originally posted by Dewey: Do ya think we could join BC, AB, Yukon and NWT with WA, ID, MT, WY and maybe northern OR and then seceed from all the damm easterners...kick out all anti-gunners, feeder shooters and liberal pukes of any type?????

and have never thought poorly of Canadians in general, note that I said I suspected he was in the minority.

Do you think he should get a free pass to make stupid remarks about all the rest of us or he should be exposed for the prejudiced mean spirited AH he is?

Boo Hoo, poor widdle you, Woodsie, nasty old ...mean spirited... me got you all upset....what a whinging little baby.

I forgot Alaska, but, you can have Texas, ya got a hole in your oil pan.

Nosler offers a 160 grain Partition in both 277 and 284 caliber. The load data shows max for the 270 Win at about 2750 fps and 2780 for the 280 rem. Not much difference with same weight bullets.

Where the 280 Rem would shine is with a 175 grain bullet. Not many 277 options above 160 grains.

If you like green - 280 Rem
If you like red - 270 Win

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Originally posted by the skirt wearing Queer dewee:
Mike, you will find that this guy is a genuine "nutter" and about the biggest blowhard and total azzwipe on AR. He is best ignored and his foolish comments left for the bullshit that they are.

You should read some of his bizarre claims from years past and you will soon realize what he is.....remember "Big" and "Bone" from another forum, well, this dipshit is just more of the same, but, worse....ignore him.

Sounds like a skirt wearing Queer dewee Autobiography.