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Which cartridge, 270Win or 30-06, do you think is the best all around hunting cartridge for big game (deer size and up) and why. Joe A. | ||
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Joe: I am not going to touch this with a 10' pole. All know how I feel about the 270, like the 06 also. Jerry NRA Benefactor Life Member | |||
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The "think" is correct, there's so little difference in practical applications it has to be based on "thinking." I like 'em both. I use the .30-06 for game. | |||
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Yes, both are fine. There is no "best." The best is what you shoot the best and have confidence in. Flip a coin. | |||
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The 30-06 can do so much more and has a much wider selection of bullets and weights. Had the .270 had to stand alone instead of being a "hook" for a popular writer (and a marketing ploy by Winchester), it would be just another forgotten cartridge. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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This is the only reason the 06 is better. I like them both. ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Take the gun and caliber you have, test it a lot at different ranges and find whats your max decent range, match this with appropriate game and get meat and thropies. They all work if you do, its impossible to find any meaningful, absolute difference between the two mentioned within a lifetime no matter how much you hunt. | |||
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I draw the line at about 500 pounds. Over that I want the heavier bullets in the .30-06 and under that I like the .270 That said, if I had only a .270 Winchester, I'd not hesitate to take it on a plains game safari loaded with A-Frames or Northforks! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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30-06, 'nuff said. BH1 There are no flies on 6.5s! | |||
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"Best for smaller big game at longer ranges?" Of course it's the .270. "Best for larger game like elk?" Of course it's the '06. "Best for all around"? Who cares? I own more than one of each and shoot the one which cicumstances call for. "Best if you could only own one?" Well, I'd feel very underpriveleged if I could only own one rifle, but if I had ocassion to need it for a variety of game at a variety of distances the .30 caliber would be more widely adapted than the .277. But I have shot whitetails at 400 yards with a .30-06 and would be happy to hunt moose with a .270, so the argument is really one of semantics. | |||
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7x57. Philistines. All of ya's.  Regards, Robert ****************************** H4350! It stays crunchy in milk longer! | |||
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Which ever one you can shoot a gnat off a fly's ass with. The rest is conjecture for deer sized game. Confidence! | |||
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I don'ty like either caliber, would not have one if it was give to me. That being said, I do recommend both and has been said by others, after a certain point, the '06 wins out due to wider selection of bullet weights. For the average hunter/shooter you can take those two along with the 308, throw them in a sack, and neither you nor the critters you shoot will ever know the difference if the bullets are placed accurately on target. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I'd take the 30-06 without question. It is much more capable with heavy bullets....which can be useful depending on where/what you hunt, and what else is hunting there. Cheers, Dan | |||
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Not again... ----------------------------------------------------- Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Proverbs 26-4 National Rifle Association Life Member | |||
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  Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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 This dead horse has been beat so long only the maggots remain. In fact, every one of these 'what's the BEST' threads has become sickening. | |||
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Ahhh Dave, you gotta do something waiting for hunting season. Plus these "which is better" threads allow the folks that get most of their info from hearsay and travel brochures to expound at length, rarely touching foot to the hard earth of reality. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Ginger or Marianne? I'll take Marianne but wouldn't kick Ginger out of my bed. | |||
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Wasbeeman: Whether you liked O'connor or not is besides the point, people back in the day went for the 270 because it was a Hot Performer, it simply carried on, because folks liked it's great qualities. Now I have a theroy on why Winchester went down .007 in bullet diameter, because metric, may have been looked at, at the time as being Un American, and perhaps they didn't want to be accused of copying the 7X64, who knows. Look at Remington,they had a chance to make the 280 a great cartridge, but like many of the things they did,they were marketing flops. Winchester knew how to sell guns and ammo, no question. Jerry NRA Benefactor Life Member | |||
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Jerry, I agree with the adversity to metrics at the time. I understand that is why we ended up with .308 battle weapons instead of .284. The 7mm being too "european". And too, when JOc was hustling the .270 for Winchester, a milsup '03 could be had for around five bucks. And the sporterized versions just a little more. Not a market that Winchester could compete in. So Winchester cranked the 30-06 down a few thousands and published claims for the "new" cartridge far beyond it abilities. JOC needed a "signature" rifle and so it was a marriage made in heaven. Gun companies, like car companies, would have you think that their latest is the absolute greatest. In those simpler times, before Al Gore's invention could spead info acrost the US in hours, when ballistics were poorly understood and not every kid on the block owned a chonograph, the end user had to rely on the word of the factories and scribes. That they cooked the books, skewed the numbers and flat out lied, is undoubted! Look at some of the velocity figures quoted for the .270 and .243 on the earlier boxes. Don't get me wrong, Winchester go lucky and the .270 is a good cartridge but there are so many that are better. Like, for instance, the 30-06. Oh, BTW, I like reading JOC. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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I have never had a 270, probably never will... But it is a great hunting calibre for deer, antelope goat, sheep, and for most black bear hunting. But for elk and up I would much prefer the 30/06 [I personally use the 308 WCF in this catagory]. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Mike_Dettore, So which ones the 06? They both look like mausers to me, lol | |||
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i love this subject. It should read "boattail vs flat base...which is better" that was the REAL issue when the 270 was introduced. The bullet selection at the time for 308 was almost exclusivly flat base vs the new wiss bang 270 with its boat tail bullet. Thats the primary reason for increased balistics on the charts and now that we have boat tails for both it is a moot discussion.. Now that I got that out of my system.. I have both and use both. | |||
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I like them both!! Place your shot properly with a GOOD bullet, without "thinking". "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" Hamlet III/ii | |||
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Both are excellent cartridges. Perhaps the 30/06 is a little more versatile and the 270 is a better long range cartridge. I'll bet no animal could tell which was used to kill it. 465H&H | |||
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And now Remington has finally got it right and the USA has lost its prejudice against anything metric, a Rem 7mm-08 coupled with a 7mm Rem Mag gives you two of the most popular and useful cartridges in the world today. Of course they are just uprated copies of the venerable old 7mm Mauser and 275 H&H Belted anyway. | |||
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O.K. Let us do this: Take a .270 Win. 150 gr at 2800fps. .30-06 spfld. 180gr. at 2700fps. Place each in a machine rest. Place two 600 lb animals that are EXACTLY the same health. At EXACTLY the same range. The bullets are the same make for each cartridge. Lets say Nosler partitions. Fire the rifles at the same instant into the exact target spot. Lets say lungs. I bet the .270 will drop the animal FASTER (D.R.T.) than the .30-06. Why? Hydrostatic shock. Just my thought. What is yours? "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" Hamlet III/ii | |||
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That's like asking which is better: Courtney Cox or Jennifer Aniston? I am sure either will get the job done well, leaving a smile on your face. Lou **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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I have owned three 270's never owned an '06. Went right to a 338 when I wanted a bigger cal. But I don't think my life would have been any different at all had my Granddad started me on an '06 instead of the 270. No different at all. Any shot I have made with the 270 could have been made with an '06. I am sure there are folks out there who have different opinions so for now I'll just stir the pot.DW | |||
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The main reason I dislike the 270Win is because of the people I've had to Track Deer for that used them. I've had to track more Deer "shot at" with a 270Win than all other cartridges combined. And as usual, the actual problem lies in the Trigger Yanker instead of the cartridge. This is not intended to "single out" anyone on here who prefers a 270Win, it is just that of all the people I've met carrying them, they are "more likely" to be afraid of actually shooting the rifle than a typical 30-06 owner. I believe it is because they think the Recoil will be much less in a 270Win than in a 30-06, so they decide to go with it. Then they also tend not to "practice" with the rifle during the Off-Season which makes it that much worse. So, I much prefer to take a person Hunting who has a 30-06 and actually uses it. ----- As for a comparison between the two, the 270Win is a fine Coyote cartridge, where the 30-06 is superior in Bullet Weight selection for ANY Game in America. Just had an old MARINE CORPS buddy stop by to buy a new rifle last week. He has had some shoulder problems and was concerned about getting hammered by Recoil. We started out with a 243Win and quickly moved to a 308Win in a very Light rifle - no problems. So off to do some trading we went. Looked at new rifles for awhile and while he was studying them I looked at a few Used rifles. What should I find but a 30-06 Remington BDL with the R3 Recoil pad, fully Parkerized with a Synthetic Stock. He ended up getting it along with a new Illuminated Vortex Scope and some Federal factory ammo. The next day we went to fire it and after 12-15 shots, he didn't have even a hint of a Recoil Bruise, no pain in the shoulder, and cloverleafs on the targets. ----- So, I'm leary of a guy with a slighty used 270Win, because I've been around a bunch of them. Best of luck to you. | |||
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I can't argue with logic like that! ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Actually, threads like these can be interesting for seeing how people are thinking, not for resolving any issue. I like the guy that was started on a 270Win and then went to a 338WM when wanting something bigger. I did the same about 30 years ago and then never needed a 30-06. But a 30-06 is a great delivery cartridge. It is the bullet that does the work, and 338 bullets are better than 308, which are better than 284, which are better than 277. So what did my wife get three weeks ago? After considering the truly amazing 7m08 she went with a 270. Why? Like the guy said, she is thinking 'under 500 lb'. New bullet technology has bullets that don't lose bullet weight. Instead of Jack O'Connor's beloved 130 grainers she is shooting a TTSX 110 grain for deer. We just clocked her rifle with a reliable Chronograph. her 110 grain TTSX was doing 3440 fps and 1" groups with cool 'primer/bolt lift'. What's not to like? Rifle weighs about 7.25lb with scope. If she needs an over-500lb bullet/cartridge she will be borrowing my 338 (also 7.3 lbs). Or loading 130 TSXs way down around 3100fps. Now if only one rifle were allowed, period, the 30-06 would be more versatile because of 180-200 grain bullets for 1000lb animals. Even Jack O'Connor would agree. But I would buy the 338 and use 185gr. for deer or elk at 3100fps and 225 grain at 2800fps for everything else, even a cape buffalo. (My 'walk thru the Selous [rhymes with 'thru']' rifle of choice is a handloaded 416 Rigby, sort of the 270 of big bores. But the 338 is a great 'allaround' and safer than a 30 cal when big cats/bears are around.) What does the above show? I tend to think in terms of 'flat', and have been influenced by both OConnor and Keith (who advocated 'thump', and thought 338 a great allaround bore). +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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please not hydrostatic shock theory! | |||
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That last sentence says it all. NRA Endowment Life Member | |||
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Dear Joe A.: I have not killed any game with either cartridge other than ground hogs. My old 243 Winchester was more than ample for white tail deer here in Pennsylvania. One shot each. I've read quite alot what Jack O'Connor wrote about the 270 Winchester. One of the items that stood out, was that he thought the 270 Winchester and 30-06 Springfield were not the best option for elk, moose and/or grizzly bear in dense woods. On the other hand, in the open, O'Connor shot lots of deer, caribou, elk and moose with the 270 Winchester. Even Phil Shoemaker has said publicly here on AR Forum that he would not hesitate to use a 243 Winchester on grizzly "in the open." But he does use a 458 Winchester as a backup for brown bear in the bush. I decided to have the best of both worlds between the 270 and 30-06. I'm building a 30-06 Ackley in an Africa rifle pre-WW-II commercial Mauser format. A bit of the old with a bit of the new. Sincerely, Chris Bemis | |||
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I am a huge 270 fan, but this is probably a pretty true statement....the 6.8 or 277 cal has a lot of neat things about it, one of which is uniqueness (is that a word) but the bullet selection, and performance with heavier bullets--which you can get in 30 cal-- is just the end of the discussion when you put the 'and up' in the topic. | |||
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