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I put this on the medium bore topic because most of the offenders I've encountered are shooting some version of a .300 or a .338. Muzzle brakes are obnoxious. So, I've said it. If you really need a muzzle brake on a pipsqueak caliber, can you go shoot by yourself? Last week, I was trying to sight in a new rifle and a guy next to me -- not a bad guy actually -- had some .30 caliber with a brake. When he touched off a round it was deafening. I could practically feel it. Why do you need that on a .30 caliber? If you need a brake on a rifle, maybe you should consider whether you should be shooting it. I'm sure your PH's and trackers would thank you. I've said my peace. | ||
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Even better, a 25-06, with a brake... WTF?? | |||
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There is a reasonable chance the guy just does not know any better. He probably was sold a rifle with every add on option available and told it would kick like a 22 rimfire with a brake on it plus be more accurate. If you are more diplomatic than I am, maybe you could explain the problem to him. Personally I just pack my stuff and leave when someone shows up with a muzzle brake. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times. | |||
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We have installed brakes on 243 for people here! I make it a habit of wearing two ear protection here in our range. One that fits in the ear, and an over ear set. | |||
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That means all ar15 and ar10 type too | |||
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 So it's "bad etiquette" to shoot braked guns at a range / What about short barrelled rifles on a range ? what about a large bore revolver or perhaps a large bore rifle with a big muzzle blast ? Brakes are bad etiquette ??? loud guns are bad etiquette ? So now we get pissed with each other for shooting guns at a range ? they all make noise / some more than others ! Maybe we should have noise police at the range. Only rifles and guns with X or Y amount of decibels allowed  | |||
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Maybe he was helping develop loads for his wife who is going on her first big game hunt. Maybe he has a torn rotator cuff and is especially sensitive to recoil; maybe he just doesn't like it. One of the worst human failings is the lack of ability to look outside the self and consider the other before judging. How arrogant. | |||
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The rifles with the brakes do have a right to use the range but the shooter should realize the effect it has on his neighbors. They can be obnoxiously loud even with the best hearing protection and they can direct unburned powder grains to the sides and back. I've been tattoed on the arm and cheek by powder granules from a short barreled, braked rifle. I personnally don't like them for my rifles but I can see their usefulness for some situations. So, even though I don't like them, I will tolerate them. I just won't setup next to one and I ask a new arrival at the range not to setup next to me unless there are no other empty positions. Their right to use the range doesn't include the right to make it unpleasant for other shooters or to cause hearing damage to their neignbors. My two cents. | |||
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as grandma says--if you can't stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen | |||
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Go to a machinegun shoot and discover your line position is adjacent to a guy with a Barrett 82CQ. Plugs plus muffs do not cut it....until you're 50 yds back in the parking lot. But agree, I hate brakes - even Cutts compensators/ports on shotguns. | |||
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Alf hit it perfectly...AND...this subject has been beat to death!!!  on EVERY forum I've been too.The noise wasn't your neighboring shooters problem, it was YOUR problem. YOU were annoyed so couldn't concentrate on YOUR noise maker and getting YOUR activity done, and maybe your activity wasn't working out the way YOU wanted...so blame the person with the braked shooter. We...ALL OF US...are in this together and whining just gives ammunition to the gun grabbers AND the rest of the world...this krap is very useful to our enemies whether you think it or not. Wear GOOD ear protection and you won't be bothered. Sticking a 38 case in your ear just doesn't cut it and I STILL see shooters, old an young, do that. Wear "ACTIVE" types of noise suppressors...I have a pair of one that go INTO my ears AND a pair of cup style that go OVER my ears...I don't have a problem with MB's or standing next to a large cal revolver shooter or next to a person shooting ANY caliber, LARGE OR SMALL, LONG OR SHORT BARREL, or being slightly in front of the muzzle and getting the full blast/noise...and the puff of air displacement is definitely small potatoes compared to a windy day. GUNS ARE NOISY and it is YOUR JOB to protect YOUR HEARING...whining about it, especially at this stage where MB's have been ubiquitous for a couple of decades, is boring. Brakes aren't necessarily for recoil pain moderation, I use brakes on my 220 Swift, 22-243 to keep the muzzle rise down and keep those tiny targets from disappearing from scope view, and on many of my smaller cal rifles for the same reason and on my large cal XP-100 pistols to keep the dam things on the bench/shooting support and from the free recoiling pistol from whacking me on the head after a shot. Whether a person uses a brake or not is no concern of anyone's no matter WHAT the caliber and some of the comments only show the limited thought process/hairy legged "I'm a MAN" bullschat. I can handle a WHOLE lot of recoil from my very large cal/heavy bullet shooters but that to me is just plain stupid when a brake will reduce that recoil level by 30-40%...they are a lot more pleasant to shoot when tuning up for a hunt or just plain rat elimination for shooting practice around the area. Ya'll gotta keep tings real...this sport ain't tidily winks.    No flame or diss intended. | |||
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If any one complains on my ranges I just don't invited them back.  But that is the joy of having your own range | |||
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Poor range etiquette? Give me a break and I'll keep my brake! Thank you very much, Mr machismo! It would be poor etiquette to have this lousy brake-user pop one off in your bedroom but on the range? Get real! Zeke | |||
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Yep what NONAGONAGIN said. Do I like to shoot next to them. No. Does that shooter have the same right to be there yep. I shoot a magna ported HOT 44mag at the local indoor range. Bet the 22 shooters don't care for it. I do take the time to move to the far end of the range. Most of don't have the p dog option. Wish I did. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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A shooter complaining about how loud another shooters gun is at the range is pathetic. Reminds me of the cry babies that built their new homes within a mile of a local gun range them complained about the noise. The club had to adjust its allowable shooting hours to make the new home owners happy. Tony | |||
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Many years ago I was at a range in another town just to sight in the rifle with a hunting buddy who was joining us there before the hunt. After a few shot I got blown away by a huge noise. The guy next to me at the range had come up after us & fired his 270 with a break and not even warned us that he was shooting. I had my ear muffs up while talking to my mate. My ears are still ringing after 18 years! "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Yep- was an officer of a club in NH. Neighbors complained about the noise. The club's address was "99 Rod and Gun Club Road" Seriously, when they moved in at #87 of same road, what the hell were they thinking? Doug Wilhelmi NRA Life Member | |||
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Muzzle brakes are the latest coolest things on "tactical" firearms, so one had better get used to them. Just about every non stock AR 15 and AR 10 clone that I have seen at the range has one. And, yes, I do know the difference between a muzzle brake and a "flash suppressor". Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Personally I just pack my stuff and leave when someone shows up with a muzzle brake.[/QUOTE] If someone left because I was shooting a braked rifle I would think, "Hey, more room for me". Noise etiquette at a shooting range....PLEASE! | |||
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I am not really a fan of the muzzle breaks and if I can avoid shooting around someone who is using one I will. My best friend bought a Winchester 70 in .243 that came from the factory with the BOSS system. His wife wanted to go deer hunting but hated recoil from rifles. She was a small woman and couldn't carry a big rifle around comfortably. That was one of the loudest shooting rifles I ever had the displeasure to be around. | |||
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A muzzle brake is a metal cylinder that is attached to the muzzle end of a firearm. The cylinder has holes in it's sides that redirect some of the expanding gasses to the sides of the firearm. This redirection of gasses reduces the recoil of the firearm. And a flash suppressor is a metal cylinder that is attached to the muzzle end of a firearm. The cylinder has holes in it's sides that redirect some of the expanding gasses to the sides of the firearm. This redirection of gasses reduces the muzzle flash of the firearm. NRA Endowment Life Member | |||
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I don't mind the muzzle breaks, but the guy with a semiautomatic with his ejected cases hitting me is irritating!! | |||
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Well, I stand completely corrected. Apparently few find muzzle brakes annoying except me. I generally am shooting some version of a big bore, which is loud, and I've been asked about that, but the noise is directed downrange, not cross-range. I've never felt the need to have a brake. I still think they are obnoxious. I won't say they are only for pussys because I can see a legitimate use for them. Just not next to me. | |||
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Nope, I'm with you. I F-ing hate muzzle brakes at the range. Can't stand the idiots that use them. I've had them set up next to me, shooting a heavily braked .308 and the gasses blew my note pad pages over - besides schwacking me in the face and ears. Unless you're shooting a .338 Lapua or .50 BMG, I see no need for them. If some guy sets up next to me, I leave, my day is over. Dave | |||
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Maybe I'm deaf already? But if I'm wearing my electronic hearing protection, which I do from the time I leave the vehicle, I don't even notice the noise. I guess the range I shoot at is big enough that I rarely even have problems with cases bouncing around near me. | |||
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I don't like the idea of more things legislated against for some illusory common good. That said, I did not see your initial post as a call for shooting range reform, so did not adapt a defensive stance. Those of us who have to deal with severe sensorineural hearing loss are in no position to have even one experience described by Nakihunter. Not alerting shooters on a line really is bad etiquette. For those like me, one such event would mean the termination of my career, having already gone through STD and two sets of hearing aids (1st set didn't help) just to remain marginally useful on the job. It is no joke. Yes, I hunt with electronic muffs, and bird hunting is something I can no longer do. So yes, I hate brakes. Also, everyone here should be aware that simply having muffs.......or plugs......or even plugs and muffs does not guarantee you are not experiencing damage to your eight cranial nerve. Here are two useful principles: if a sound makes you uncomfortable is it very likely damaging your hearing. If a sound causes tinnitus/ringing it is definitely damaging your 8th nerve. There is zero/zip/nada recovery of 8th nerve damage from noise exposure. Ever. | |||
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Our sportsman club has a brake rifle equipped shooting time twice a day 7 days a week. Fire one off out side those hours and you will never ever fire another rifle of any kind, shot gun, pistol or air rifle at the clubs ranges. You will be banned for life. the hours are posted in the monthly new letter and they are changed so that there is a time during the week some one with a break can find time to shoot for 3 hours. I don't like them and thing there are better options.  AlGarden View Apiaries where the view is as sweet as the honey. | |||
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OMG imagine the poor Ruger Guide gun owners , and the dudes with the "Bossified" Brownings  They are banned from shooting at ranges! or they have their "own time" slots It's getting tougher and tougher out there ! | |||
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Agreed! When setting up at the range, which is covered, I always check to see who is shooting what. Personally I find the noise from short barreled AR type guns to be equally annoying. If shooting one of my doubles, I set up as far away from the others as possible. Actually, I do that anyway! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Sure is a lot of bitchy people at these rifle ranges I'm glad I don't have to deal with whine bags ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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I guess I am in the dislike brakes (the correct spelling by the way) crowd. I don't get wrapped around the axle over the noise as much as the side blast and I don't make a big deal about it. I always try to set up at the furthest end of the benches. If a guy with a brake shows up close by, I move. They have as much right to the range as I do. Usually they ask why I moved and I politely invite them to stand off to the side when their gun is fired. Most of them are shocked by the side blast and are pretty good about selecting a bench away from other shooters in the future. There is no need for brakes to be a point of division among shooters. I've seen guys show up with brakes on a 243 because they were so sensitive to recoil. I'm guessing they got hurt somewhere along the way and no matter what they shoot they'll be flinchy, brake or no brake. "...I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprize, and independance to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." Thomas Jefferson | |||
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I am fortunate enough to have my own place in the country and a place to shoot extended ranges. It amazes me the amount of young folks shooting black guns these days and they all have flash supressor/muzzle breaks and they are all loud, especially the 16" barrel versions. Not to mention having "hot" shell casings being ejected on you. I think most of these people have just turned 18 years old and are graduating from 10 years of video games playing army…They want a real gun now: Yikes!! | |||
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Nice thing about living where I do is i'm 15 minutes away from an area I can shoot miles and be all by myself. If i'm not by myself usually the others who are out there shooting or show up to shoot have the sense enough to stay far enough away. | |||
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It would seem that those who object to Earsplitters With Brakes and semi-autos that toss hot brass down their neighbor's necks have a right to express those dislikes- as well as the users of such rifles have a right to shoot them. I should think that as adults the aggrieved parties on both sides could reach an amicable solution at the range. Personally, if someone shows up at an adjacent bench with a gun that's not friendly to myself, I go back to the truck and have a couple smokes and some coffee until he's done shooting. (It's my experience that the dudes and dudettes who show up at our range with braked heavy caliber rifles only fire a few shots and go home. Likewise the "spray and pray" crowd with their hot brass slinging guns blast away their stash of ammo in short order, and go home too. I have even helped a guy move his setup down to the end of the line where he wouldn't be so bothersome after I politely pointed out the intrusiveness of his braked .300 Weatherby. He didn't realize, and was polite about it. We went out for a couple beers afterward and became buddies.) I find people who don't have a spotting scope and need to call a cease fire after every 5 shot group so they can dawdle on down range to check their target to be much more aggravating. But i usually invite them to share my scope in the interest of keeping things moving along. It's when they decline my offer that the aggro kicks in. | |||
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I think that we need Obama to pass a law for noise compliance at shooting ranges. | |||
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I have a couple places to shoot that I always have to myself ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Leopardtrack, I know you well enough to know how that was intended. Funny. But I would have welcomed a bit of noise control on our range last weekend -- not from the Revered Leader, but my left ear is still ringing. | |||
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A question...... You use a range that others use.....Do you not wear hearing protection? I mean....come on ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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I don't see too many muzzle brakes in use now, most hunters have gone through that phase and now find a suppressor is by far more effective in both reducing noise and recoil. There is however one of our Association members (range owned by a Deerstalkers Association and free for members use) who shoots the various large bore high intensity numbers up to .50cal and experiments around with muzzle brakes and it is not so much the noise which good ear muffs will block but the concussion you feel even when 15 metres or more away on another bench. The concussion from these high intensity big bores does actually put you off your shot if squeezing one away as he touches of Big Bertha. | |||
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