This "one failure is enough" stuff is BS. Most of the time you can usually fix it pretty easily.

I've had a Ford that didn't start once. I still bought a Ford for my next truck. One problem is not enough to deter me from buying another rifle or truck from said manufacture.

All manufactures will have problems, it's unfortunate that it happened to you, but you have to believe for every failure remington has ruger/winchester/Tikka/CZ are having just as many.

I've seen quite a few pictures of some blown up Sakos and Tikkas.

Regarding the once is enough, if that was the case, Ford would certainly not be selling near as many trucks as they do, because they sure have their share of (you name it) going wrong. Same for Chevy/GMC and Dodge.

I am at the range from one to three days a week and have to say that 7 out of 10 rifles are remingtons,may be higher percentage.
Last year I did see a bolt handle break off the fellow was checking his 300 rum (think that was the caliber) he shot one shot and when he was ejecting the case the handle came off in his hand.I bought a sps in 22/250 last fall I think it was couldn't even chamber a factory round in it had to send it back they fixed it and now it will drive tacks have shot more than a couple one holers with it at 100 yds and less than 2 inches at 300.
Do I like remingtons and would I buy another you betcha.I shoot a lot of other rifles and they shoot as good so I am not a die hard remington fan.I have a couple out of the box rems that money cannot buy,would I trade them for a custom $5000 rifle heck no.Have 2 in savage and 1 in a tikka I feel the same way with.Just sent a tikka back yesterday that wouldn't shoot worth a dang.Bought a ruger 7 mag this year for 300 bucks and it shoots very good.
Helped a fellow set up 2 custom 7stw's yesterday one built on a winchester and one on a remington,he didn't reload so used factory win bullets,the win shot the tightest group for me at 1/2 in and the rem 3/4 in,I am sure that with handloads both rifles would have shot very well.
To me it don't matter what name is on the rifle as long as it preforms well.You're still going to get good built ones and bad built ones in any brand of factory rifles that is just the way it works.

I am so surprised by the number of people who have had problems with the Remington M700. As I recall, when bolt guns ruled the match rifle category of the Highpower Rifle Match line, the Rem 700 and Win 70 were the most popular actions. The Rem 700 was acknowledged to have an extractor that wore out, but that was about it. Of course these match rifles had custom barrels, custom triggers, custom stocks. Overall the shooter bought a rifle and threw out everything except the action.

Those two rifle actions were the best of their class for target shooting for several decades. I am certain a lemon or two got out of the factory, but in the main, both actions were considered well made and reliable.

I only have one Rem 700 as I have been a Win 70 bolt swinger for two decades. This 700 is less than five years old, has that black synthetic stock and a painted black finish. It is in 30-06. It is a fine rifle but I have not shot it enough to cause anything to break. I was able to adjust the trigger to 2.5 lbs with a little overtravel and no creep. Shoots good for a factory rifle.

Remingtons are great rifles for people who haven't graduated to better ones.......... ........DJ

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Originally posted by djpaintles:
Remingtons are great rifles for people who haven't graduated to better ones.......... ........DJ

Aww, that's just not nice.

I debated whether to offer my 2 cents, but there are no rifles built today - mass produced or custom - that don't turn out garbage at one time or another.

Failures to feed of the famous CRF are noted in numerous rifles. I've heard that often w/ many Kimbers, several Winchesters and at least one Ruger.

Accuracy w/ Ruger's is infamous! I've had 4: 2 required several hundred dollars of work. One then gave excellent accuracy (22-250) and the other never would! A SS .338 that is consistent (3") but not confidence building and a 25-06 that shot good right from the box.

Browning are supposed to give great accuracy, but my SS .300 was terrible - 2" for 3 shots on a good day. It is gone and I'm afraid to by another. (The Rugers are gone too).

I have one M70 FW in 257 imp. that I'll be holding on to. It shoots MOA for 3 shots always. I've a friend w/ an idential rifle in 243 that hates his, though.

I've had 3 Rem. All were rebedded by me into glass stocks. All of them were sub MOA w/ 3 shots and two of them w/ 5 shots. My 7 mag. w/ factory barrel hovers near 1/2" for 5.

My friend w/ the 243 has two Rem. A SS 280 that wouldn't hold a zero w/i 12" until I put pillars in the stock and rebedded it. Now it shoots around MOA. He also has a .223 varmit that after rebedding shoots like a Cooper (around .25 MOA).

POINT: All brands, all barrels, all gunsmiths, have bad stories. As has been say, pay your money and take your chances. I've hunted from New Mexico to B.C., CA to CO, Moose, elk, caribou, deer, bear, etc., My Rem. 7 mag never had a failure to feed, extract, eject, or any other problems. Just a consistent accuracy that was so good it was boring.

If I buy another, what will it be? Not Ruger or Browning (not saying there isn't some good ones; I'm just scared off now). CZ? Maybe? Kimber? I'd like to try one. Savage? Probably the most accurate out of the box rifles around. I'd like to try one of those too, but its still a roll of the dice.

Somehow thw thread was transforming itself into another thing...the original purpose was to discuss the poor design and construction characteristics of the Remington M700.

Please, we all know for sure that out there are many accuracy-capable rifles, some of them Rugers, Mausers, etc and Remington

But a fact remains the same, and that's is the basic flaws or ar least CHEAP features of the M700.

Again, do not confuse availability, popularity, etc with a good design.

I've read with a lot of surprise how some loyal customers of the brand will buy another rifle EVEN in the case of bad experiences!! that's loyalty or stubborness????

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Originally posted by Gustavo:Again, do not confuse availability, popularity, etc with a good design.

Ain't THAT the truth.... also applies to virtually anything else in life - eg Gov't policies, etc....

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Future posts by me on this subject are pointless.

All of them already have been

You clearly don't understand anything you read.

One thing that gets me about your babble is the fact that you think I'm talking about my personal rifles only . I work on rifles on the side for a hobby so I get to take my fair share of different brands to the range and to my shop on top of the 50-60+ guns that I currently own. I guess you also failed to read that I shoot w/ alot of other die hard gun lovers. Never did I say things don't happen to a Remington. When you have the single most popular action on the market, a very small percentage are bound to have small problems as w/ any other product on the market. Any rifle on the market has it's fair share of problems. Blanketing statements such as "Remington Sucks" are idiotic especially when insinuating that all rifles that have Remington printed on them are total garbage.

I'm through arguing w/ you so this will be my last post on this thread.

Some never Learn

You all have a good one

until they become to go-to action for 95% of the tactical and BR actions that are non-custom,.,...the rest are simply sucking hind tit.

Reloader:

1) I was not the original poster
2) I don't recall saying ALL rem's suck, or that Rems suck, I DID say I also own and shoot Rems, but have sold many more over that either shot like crap or were defective in one or more way.
3) IF REM was SO great how come gunsmiths rebarrel so many of them (upgrading to one that is worth using when the factory put one on that either shot crappy or fouled), compared to Sako?

HOW many times do guys rebarrel a Sako because the factory barrel was crappy when it left the plant?

Yeah, I read a few blew up do to Chinese steel, I understand China is buying up all the steel anyway.......but no it should not have happened.

Total garbabe-did I say that?

I DID say I will not trust one as my 'go to rifle' if going out far from home.

I think if you have a good one they are well suited for paper and varmint shooting and to take one hunting one better KNOW you are not going to have a problem, and that is not always possible.

How many guys have had accidental discharges FOR whatever reason (if they admitted it), I could go on.

Funny, the problems I have seen and heard about Rem, I don't seem to hear, nor experience with other brands. A lesser costs Howa in my opinion has better workmanship throughout, and damned if the Japanese did not figure a way to make a better auto than GM or Ford for less money, and guess what? They did it using OUR textbooks that we used to educate OUR students in this country years ago.

Hey, Ruger 10/22's are VERY popular and usually reliable, etc, yet WHY if they were that darned good would there be endless aftermarket parts?

Huh? Alloy/aluminum receiver, bolt on barrel design, etc., Slow locktime, etc......yeah you can BUY parts to correct some shortcomings, but then again you could buy an anschutz-now THAT is quality.

Rems you bought and own perhaps rolled off when different workers were putting them together.

My experiences posted are fact, and if you don't like if fine. As much as you love Rem's, mine should command a premium from you.

I will be glad to sell ALL of my rems to you tomorrow at a premium and since you live about a half hour from me, you have no excuse.

Put your money where your mouth is, come buy every Rem I own, as I am not partial to them as you are my friend.

Go take up your argument with the OP, since you failed to READ the thread. Perhaps since you work on guns, and I am sure many Rems, I stepped on your toes, or wallet. Truth hurts doesn't it, Rems are like chevy's, they Usually get you from point A to point B. Buy a Honda or Toyota and you get more for your dollar, better resale, and less repairs. I don't think any chevy dealer's service dept. would admit to having less reliable cars do you? But, they enjoy going to the bank everytime another sucker buys one and it keeps coming back.

People voting with their dollars because the majority of hunters in this country know little about guns and quality of them, other than just brand recognition, and that wally world has a special this week.

The ford taurus once touted they were the most popular/common fleet vehicle. Does that make them the best?

Hey enjoy your rems, and if you want some GOOD ones, that work and shoot, you are welcome to buy EVERY one I own. I will gladly take the money and buy another brand.

Remington got greedy or the workers got disgruntled or turned over, or production #'s were pushed, but quality hit a low when I went through many guns in the 90's and I for one do not feel they any longer deserve my respect or business.

Shame on me to bring another headache on with a new one, I don't think so but since you like 'fixing things' and upgrading them, especially at a profit, well it is your right, but not at my expense.

Your agenda obviously is to 'gunsmith' and rem's are your bread and butter. That is your right, and I have my agenda of buying the most reliable, long lasting, accurate, and well finished product my money can buy WITHOUT a gunsmith having to correct a QC problem.

Remingtons are fine once appropriate modifications have been made - my two 700's have both needed work but are shooting well now.