Don't know where to post this so I am starting here. I am looking to get an AR style rifle in 308 but I need an education ie. Armalite, DPMS, Rock River etc. I need something that will hold 1 MOA out to at least 300 yards. I also understand that there are at least two different "types" which are not interchangeable. Now I am NOT going to be kicking in doors with my trusty 308 in my hands, so I am not sure that I need a collapsible stock for instance. Neither am I going to hang a 5000 lumen flashlight, laser etc. etc. on the thing. Have no need for open sights, just a good scope and perhaps a bipod. So, can someone please educate me or point me to places that can?
Thanks, Peter.

ive got an armalite ar-10, flattop, no accessories at all... scoped with a simmons aetec scope. with armalite rings...it's the 1st black rifle I bought, ive shot factory Winchester, Federal, Remington, and all sorts of surplus...50 yds, its a 1 hole ragged group... 100 yds is about the same... 200 is still 2" if I do my part...I like it...get on armalite's website and look at their products...

Thanks Jim. I had heard though that Armalite parts were unique to Armalite, not necessarily fatal, but for things like magazines and other accessories it might be a factor. I will take a look however.
Peter.

I have owned a DPMS LR-308L and that was a very accurate rifle and handled just fine, more on the AR styled frame.

However, I now own and will keep an FNAR in .308. Now that's an extremely accurate and very comfortable feeling rifle. I have a Burris tactical scope on it, and it is sub-MOA.

Hope that helps.

Thanks very much md, I had not thought of the FN. Do they still make them?
Peter.

i believe the best of the bunch is the jp, but you're going to wait awhile for it. i have had a stoner sr25 and a remmy r25 both in 308. i sold the stoner because i made a bunch of $$ off it. it was a first class piece, but well overpriced. the remmy is the same as the dpms. mine does shoot a bit under and inch, but i also have one in 223 that shoots under a half minute. mags are easier to find for the dpms than the armlite. downside is that the triggers are pure horsechit. figure spending the 150-200 for a replacement. but stick to at least a 3.5@ trigger since anything less will not reliably set off surplus ammo 44mag.com has 10 or 5 shot mags for the dpms style. the 10 rd is quite handy since it doesn;'t stick down so far

I have a Rock River that I've been extrememly pleased with. Look into a lightweight free float tube. Get the two stage trigger and a standard stock, I also like RRA's operator stock. RRA guarantees 1moa or better.

Down side is RRA uses FAL magazines. They aren't as cheap as they used to be, however, RRA now sells aftermarket polymer mags.

Thanks guys. I agree that if I went the AR style route I would need a free floating handguard and a better trigger. I don't know whether Compass Lake Engineering makes one for the AR 10 style guns. I will research once I get closer to a decision.
Peter.

I have been frustrated by the lack of interchangeability of parts between the major AR-10 manufacturers. Unlike the AR15, M14, FAL, all of which have a Government TDP, and therefore the different rifle manufacturer’s and part manufacturers maintain some level of interchangeability, there is nothing like this for the AR10. Different magazines, different bolts, different proprietary parts, all of which locks you into an expensive sole source procurement.

A pox on them all.

Try the LaRue OBR. It's head and shoulders above the rest.

I have a Rock River LAR 8, Rock River's version of the AR-10. It's a standard flattop model with the delta ring 2 piece plastic forearm and straight back butt stock. It shoots will. I bought it thinking I would get a RR Predator upper for it but that was months before the madness started. Unlike the AR-15, the AR-10s are not generally standardized. Rock River's parts and magazines are not the same spec as other manufacturers. I ordered two 5 shot magazines right after Xmas in hopes to use them for hunting. They were back ordered then and I have no idea if I’ll ever see them now.

I have a Baer .308 AR that is a better than 1/2 MOA gun, and a friend of mine has one identical to it. Also a 1/2 MOA gun. Mine's a bit newer so I have not worked with it much (africa is calling), but my buddy shoots clay pigeons (on the ground) at 500 for fun. He has a couple of 2" groups at 500 with it (that I shot- he does not like group shooting) using federal GM match and some black hills match, so they are pretty consistent. Baer does have an accuracy guarantee.

Down side is its a 6-9 month wait for one and they are a bit on the spendy side.

Go with Armalite. I used to own an AR-10 forum and Armalite surely ran the gambit there.
I still have the AR-10T and the AR-10 Flat Top.
I can post pics if you would like.

My first thought was a Rock River Standard A4, but then I thought I would open it up a bit. I have not heard of LaRue but I will check them out. Les Baer makse fine stuff, but as you say, they are expensive.
Thanks, Peter.

I have an FNAR it shoots sub moa with Sierra and Berger 168gr bullets. It is a reworked Browning BAR sporter. The only complaint I have is the cost of magazines. I killed an 8pt whitetail with the 168 Berger Classic Hunter and had great results.

My r25 is sub moa in 308. I tasked to the nice folks at do dpms yesterday and they have a replacement carbon fiber forearm. To replace the sewer pipe on it. No recoil just heavy. Great gun

I must confess that the weight of some of these guns is daunting. Lugging around a 10 pound gun is not fun, especially in the configuration and balance of an AR style gun.
Peter.

The weight turned me off. I had an Knight's SR-25 and the dang thing weighed about 15 pounds with the scope, bipod, and full magazine. Worst of all, it was front heavy.

The AR-15 design is old enough that the patents expired. Rifle components and parts are, for the most part, interchangeable between the various brands because they are all made to the same specifications.

That is not true in the case of a .308 AR. There are many versions with variations among the components that make it difficult to interchange parts between manufacturers.

If I were to buy another .308 AR it would be something light with a 16" barrel like the Armalite AR-10(T) Carbine: http://www.armalite.com/ItemFo...aa-aea0-49488ec48776

The basic AR platform in any of the 308 variants is a heavy rifle. If you could live with 2 moa, you could get a DPMS 308 with a 16" barrel and get the weight down to 8 pounds or so.

As many have pointed out, a sub MOA AR 243/7mm08/308/338 Federal/ 300 SAUM, properly scoped and bipoded is going to be a 12 pound rifle.

There are non AR semi-autos that are MOA rifles and weigh less but most have magazine capacity limitations.

The FN website doesn't even list the weight of the "heavy" FNAR (long range) model.

Interesting that since the days of the M-1/M14 sniper rifles weight has remained about the same.

Don't forget the Colt LE901.

And if/when Colt releases their adaptor, you can run a .223 upper on the .308 lower as well.

Sighting in the 20 inch and 24 in AR-10T's.

Peter, for two years I owned a Remington R25 and was very impressed with it's accuracy. I only shot reloads that were basically military hardball equivalent but with a 150 gr hunting bullet, but they still got right at MOA. I sold it a couple of months ago because it was just not a comfortable hunting rifle to tote around. If I hunted hogs or such that require or call for a lot of follow up shots, I'd have kept it.

In my Rem 700HB in 308 I shoot 150 and 155 SMKs. The 168 is slightly more accurate.
Peter.

I shoot the DPMS upper on a Tactical machine lower chambered in 260 Rem. that will shoot better than 1 MOA with the A-Max bullets.

The DPMS pattern seems to be the more common of the two styles and more manufacturers seem to make DPMS compatible parts. The magazines are usually much more available and cheaper than the Armalite ones also.

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Originally posted by Peter:
Thanks very much md, I had not thought of the FN. Do they still make them?
Peter.

Yes Peter, they do still make them, and once you've shot one with a good tactical scope and a good bipod, it's hard to go back to an AR frame.

I lived with an AR for some years, and although I think it is a great tool for combat, it's not the refined product of the FNAR. And that's just my take on it. Many, maybe most, will differ on this due to lack of experience with the FNAR.

The magazines are an issue on the FNAR, but how many do you really need. And in my state, we have to use the 5-round mag. to hunt. The mags do have a tendency to rust, so you have to stay on top of this. The rifle itself needs little maintenance.

Mike

Looks like several makes have their fans. I am keeping my eyes open for some of these on GunBroker.
Frank, what is the barrel length on your gun? 24? It does not look overly heavy.
Mike, at one point CDNN was selling the FNARs but I don't see them any more.
Thanks all. I will keep you posted. Peter.

I might add that S&W has released an M&P 10, however, while there are some videos on youtube showing function testing, I know no one who has one, and have seen no accuracy testing of one.
Peter.

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Originally posted by Fjold:
I shoot the DPMS upper on a Tactical machine lower chambered in 260 Rem. that will shoot better than 1 MOA with the A-Max bullets.

The DPMS pattern seems to be the more common of the two styles and more manufacturers seem to make DPMS compatible parts. The magazines are usually much more available and cheaper than the Armalite ones also.

That scope mount looks familiar. Doesn't she get pretty hot there in Bakersfield with the black finish in August?

geez duke - thats almost a mirror image on one of min except i put the blackened flutes in the barrel