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Only internet pigs are bullet proof! Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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129gn SST’s and factory Fusions too have worked well in 260Rem and 6.5CM. Pigs, goats foxes etc. DRSS | |||
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Anomalies happen from time to time, see rule # 10 below Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Dosen't make sense to me. While thermal hunting we wack and stack hogs with the 6.5 Grendel, including some fairly large ones (300 pounds). I have used the 6.5 Creedmoor on our Texas deer for several years and they usually die where they stand with a high shoulder shot. My bullet of choice in the 6.5 is the 127gr Barnes LRX and Nosler 130gr Accubond. Personally, for our deer and hogs I have no complaints with the 6.5 Creedmoor's terminal performance. | |||
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I’ve never had a creedmore since I’ve had a 6.5x55 for many years. Same bullet, same velocity. But like any caliber it’s all in the choice of bullet and it’s placement. Taken quite a few deer and my wife shot an elk with it. None have gone anywhere after the shot. Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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Several years ago I was on a deer hunt in South Texas. One of the guys hunting with me shot a buck and the deer went down in the sendero but then got up and ran into the brush (he was not using a 6.5 Creedmoor by the way). We called a South Texas legend, Roy Hindes, to bring in one of his amazing tracking dogs to track the buck (which we ultimately recovered). In talking to Roy he indicated that the rifle caliber that was used on most of the deer he had been called in to track for the past few seasons was the 6.5 Creedmoor. Could be a lot of reasons for that, bad bullets, popular caliber and shooters using it that cannot really shoot, etc. Bottom line though was that the 6.5 Creedmoor was the caliber being used on most of the wounded deer he was tracking. He was not a fan of the caliber. Mike | |||
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These opinions on the Creed is what makes the grass grow green My experience is minimal with the round, but shots between 100 and 330 yds indicate a perfectly balanced cartridge... least for Deer, Axis, etc. Client feed back is the same | |||
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Cortina calls it the Needsmore. | |||
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Assuming the 6.5 Creedmoor, along with the 6.5 Swede and 260 Remington, are not enough for deer sized game, then 223 shouldn’t be enough. The same with a lot of lesser cart. How about the 7mm/08? | |||
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I've seen lots of Texas deer killed with the 223....Usually cull hunts over a feeder...25-100 yd. Does that scenario make the 223 an ideal deer round? Don't think any serious/responsible hunter would really endorse that. My read is that the "inadequacy" of the 6.5's mentioned here is inadequate shot placement. Yeah...I know...like calling your kids ugly! | |||
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I've killed many deer, one elk and one black bear with my 243 before I moved up to a 270. All one shot kills. The 6.5 Creedmore (though it pains me to say it) should be fine on animals up through elk. Wouldn't shoot a grizzly with one. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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One of my customers just returned from a 10 day Texas hog hunt. He carried two vintage Savage 99's chambered in 250 Savage that I had restored for him. Using 100 grain cup and core bullets he killed every hog he shot at. He killed over a dozen. Many of my customers night hunt with .223's. So all of this talk of a 6.5 CM not working is just nonsense. | |||
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Eric Rundgren hunted the Aberdare bamboo forests culling cape buffalo for the game dept in the 40's. The tails had to be turned in, and his tally was over 3000 buff. The majority shot with a captured 6.5 carcano and captured military ammo. He said it worked fine, but sometimes the ammo misfired, and you had to do some dodging around trees. Doubtful if a CM can kill a deer. | |||
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I think its an over hyped cartridge. Pigs are very tough animals for their size i have lost them with a 375 H&H with bad shot placement. It's certainly not an African plains game or elk cartridge. But good on paper at 10,000 yards I hear! | |||
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In short, wrong bullet choice. The ABLR is designed with a thinner jacket to provide reliable expansion at longer ranges. My son, my daughter, and I have taken a bit over 100 head of big game with the 6.5 CM without incident or drama. It's simply a matter of selecting the proper bullet and placing it in the right spot. All We Know Is All We Are | |||
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I started this discussion. I have a few more comments. The ammo was all I could find at the time. I understand that this bullet might not be the best. However, when that ammo is all that could be found at the time. I bought what I could find at the time. Regardless, I have a really hard time believing ANY round would not go through a pig the size of the one my grandson shot. I doubt it made 50 pounds. Since this incident, I bought that grandson a new 308 which he loves. The 6.5 CM was passed down to my 7-year-old grandson. I managed to find 6 rounds of 140 grain Nosler Partitions for the 6.5 CM. He shot his first deer with it Saturday. It went right through both sides. The older grandson shot the pig in question in the right place. It didn't go far. I still can't believe that the bullet didn't exit. Perhaps that particular bullet was bad. I don't know. I have seen that before. Finaly, I am reducing my gun collection. At first, I was going to get rid of my 6.5 CM. I ended up keeping it and got rid of my 243 . | |||
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Same for me using Berger bullets… went back to my .280 Rem and 7x57. I like the 6.5 Larry-more, but will be using Barnes TSX bullets! Then we rename it the 6.5 Larry-DRT | |||
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Since this thread was started, I picked up a Q Fix in 6.5 CM. It seems to like the Hornady Precision Hunter 143 gr. ELD-X factory load, which is the only hunting load I have tried so far. I’m hoping to try it on big game before too long. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I acquired a few boxes of these on 308. They have performed well. | |||
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No matter the cartridge, bullet, or loading. ONE is NOT enough to judge anything by. After a couple dozen of the same bullet placements on similar sized pigs. Then you may have enough info to judge by. How many million of elk have been killed with 180gr CoreLokts without fail? I hit a cow elk at 200 yards in 2000 perfect placement broadside. It knocked her down. She got up and took off. By then I was on the way and made a bad offhand shot hitting top of hips on the spine and put her down for good, not dead but, down. A finisher head shot with a .30 Carb Blackhawk did the trick. The first shot splashed a patch 2" x 9" baring three ribs and did not even punch a hole into the lung. Other than the hide missing there was no damage at all. Not even to the rib it hit. At 200 yards that bullet should have gone clear thru too. .300Win/M. I had bought 500 in a bulk buy as most of my group shoots .300Win's. All were loaded the same in one two day session. Last I heard over 60 elk had been killed with the very same loading without a single failure. They were shot from 30 feet to over 400 yards. It took a Second letter to Remington to get reply: "yes, we have had reports of that before, we recommend you use our NEW Super Duper FACTORY CoreLokt ammo---". My ass! Yes, I also made a judgement call to change bullets on that ONE failure. Much because of no response to my first letter. George "Gun Control is NOT about Guns' "It's about Control!!" Join the NRA today!" LM: NRA, DAV, George L. Dwight | |||
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Exactly right about odditites with bullet performance. I just yesterday helped an elderly farmer neighbor recover a whitetail doe that he shot. .270 Win and 130 grain hornady spire point bullets that accounted for several truckloads of deer over the years. It was about 200 yard shot. He was rested on a fencepost. He said the deer was broadside at the shot. When I went to where the deer was located, I found bare leaves in the snow and a little blood. I trailed it down a steep hill where I found the deer lying. It was still breathing. After finishing the deer, I found that the shot hit almost perfect at the shoulder pocket, where you would tell someone to aim. The bullet apparently hit the shoulder and made a near 90 degree turn, exiting mid-length of the neck The bullet did not penetrate the chest cavity. Either the bullet had a wierd performance or the deer turned sharply just as the shot broke?? Regarding the 6.5CM. I have one and find it to be very similar to the several.260 Remingtons that we use and the 6.5x55 that I once owned. A great, low-recoil deer caliber. I have loaded lots of reduced loads in 120 grain BT and 125 Grain partition for the kids when they were young and for my adult daughters who do not like recoil. Very effective within its limits. Not sure I would hunt elk with it, but for deer-sized game, it has been good for us. cwilson A well requlated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed - 2nd Amendment U.S. Constitution | |||
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I grew up with a .270 in my hands and used it on a lot of Oregon's big game. Deer, antelope and elk. I never, ever, had a problem killing quickly as long as I put the bullet where it belonged... About 30 years ago however, I popped a nice Blacktail buck behind the shoulder with a highly regarded 130gr bullet. The deer was close and the shot easy, but that bullet didn't pass thru like it was designed. That little buck stopped it cold. Strange stuff happens.... I shot a running bull elk to rags with a .338mg and a reputable 225gr bullet - turns out I was hitting him around the edges. I got him, but it was not my best showing, that's for sure! Another bull, a five point stopped a 250gr Nosler partition... It hit him in the neck as he peeked around a fir tree. The bone strike turned the bullet sideways and it stayed in his shoulder! Stuff happens... I bought my 6.5CM in 2017 and have used it on a good Blacktail buck and a Roosevelt cow or bull each year now, with perfect satisfaction. Last years elk was a 5pt bull at 250 lasered yards. I shot twice, hit lungs twice and he never moved out of his tracks. Game dies quickly when hit properly. Head stamps mean nothing... shot placement is everything. The nut behind the rifle is almost always the root cause of a botched, humane harvest... Elk, it's what's for dinner..  | |||
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