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I bought a Begara rifle in 6.5 CM a few years ago. Shoots incredibly well. However , I was underwhelmed at the performance on critters . I bought a second one for my 9 year old grandson. We shot a small hog with it yesterday. It might have made 50 pounds . We had to trail it but not far . I was totally shocked when we found it . This round did not even go all the way through a 50 pound pig. I think it needs to be renamed to Needs-more. I see a 308 in his future. | ||
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My .585 HE with 10000+ ft-lbs will maybe not pass 50 pound pig too if loaded with inappropriate bullet (yes, pig will explode btw). tl;dr: What bullet, what velocity? Jiri | |||
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Nosler factory loads. 2600FPS 142 grain ABLR | |||
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It's weird to me. I would swear it must work well. Do you have picture of recovered bullet? I still believe that this cartridge is well capable for wild boars and elks in any size. Jiri | |||
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Doesn't make sense. That velocity and bullet weight are well documented to work in the 6.5x55 Swede. The only variables would be bullet placement and bullet construction. It would be interesting to chrono that load and see if it meets spec. Ammo makers are notorious for juicing up velocity. To be fair, I have shot 180 lb deer through and through with an 8x57 and a 154 grain bullet, right through the heart/lungs. Even with a fist-sized exit hole, they left a garden hose blood trail and still managed to go 50 yds. | |||
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Larry, I’ve been calling it the 6.5 Needmore for years, especially when debating the kool-aid drinkers. I literally had a guy tell me his Needmore was superior to the .264 Win Mag, which is my primary light cartridge I hunt with. I asked him if he realized that both shoot the exact same bullet, but my .264 drives that bullet nearly 400 fps faster than his Needmore. He told me he didn’t realize that, then said “The creedmore is still superior to the .264”. Some people drink too much Kool-aid. | |||
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All of you are wrong. And deer are NOT built like pigs. Study their anatomy. The 6.5 is the same as all previous medium capacity 6.5s in history, most of them with a stellar reputation for performance. Your problem is simple; your bullet was too fragile for hogs. It was well proven that a 6.5 bullet will kill even after passing through one person and into the other. It is the bullet that does the work; don't blame the package. But personally, I would never use a 6.5 for hogs. I like the bigger stuff, and not a 308 either; that won't help unless you use tougher bullets. For example an 150 grain deer bullet will bounce off a hog. Ok, won't do any better than the 6.5. I did actually shoot one with a 30-06 in the chest; 180 grain Sierra; did not penetrate all the way through. I have stories about my friends shooting hogs with deer calibers; all end in disappointment. Until they chase it down and shoot it in the head. Hogs are tough. Nothing wrong with the 6.5, in it's proper place. | |||
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This is why I asked for picture of recovered bullet. I didn't use ABLR by myself. If ABLR is too soft, just use Swift A-Frame or some monometal bullet for hogs. Maybe I would try Norma Bondstrike factory ammo. Jiri | |||
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Well, our shop is in the buckle of the east coast feral hog belt. I set up dozens of "hog guns" every year, mostly for night hunting. They range from .223 to 30-06, including the 6.5 CM. We sell the hunters off-the-shelf "deer" bullets. Somehow they manage to pile hogs up like cord wood. Ya'll must have tougher hogs than we do.
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Don’t blame the cartridge itself. Ballistically It is nothing more than 6.5 Swede that will feed in an AR 10. Look at bukket selection and shot placement. One of my favorite loads for the Swede is a 140 BT. I would never select that on a hog. I would go with something bonded, AFrame /Partition or mono-metal. My likely choice would be either 130 gr Barnes TSX/TTSX or 140 partitions. After that it’s all about placement. DRSS Kreighoff 470 NE Valmet 412 30/06 & 9.3x74R | |||
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I find it ironic that the whole spill for the Creedmoor was its ability to shoot uber high BC bullets. Then you look on forums and find that most creedmoor shooters have reverted to shooting something more like what you expect from a 270 Winchester. Just another whiz-bang, latest, greatest boner IMO. This too shall pass, Lol. AK-47 The only Communist Idea that Liberals don't like. | |||
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So load for CEB lazers, Peregrine VLR4, Badlands Buldozer or any other high BC premium mono hunting bullet. You will get great accuracy, high BC and great penetration as well. Jiri | |||
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Larry, I shot a pronghorn with that bullet. (142gr ABLR) IFAIC it acted just like a varmint bullet. The animal was dead in short order, but the entire front of the animal was unusable due to the bullet just disintegrating. The only difference was it was a Nosler factory load in .26 Nosler. I did write nosler about it, and was told that a, it didn't fail as I killed the animal, and b, I shot the animal way too close for the load... at 200 yards. I think your issues are more with the bullet than with the cartridge at this point. The ABLR is a very fragile bullet. | |||
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I have 15 or so 6.5 caliber rifles from 6.5 TCU to 264 mag I use all the time. If it didnt kill it is the bullet not the cartridge. I have used more of the old Nosler SB in 120 than anything, but 120 corloks work well, just not as accurate. If I want heavier, I go 125 Nosler partitions. Or if I feel original and use my army&navy 6.5x53, I use 160 Horn roundnose. Those shoot through black bears from most any angle. The 6.5's have no magic power, but they kill as well as anything else from 257 R to 280 Rem. Nothing wrong with that. | |||
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Sometimes bullets act weird. I've recovered the 300 grain TSX shot out of my 375 H&H from Cape buffalo, Gemsbok and a Bushbuck. A 100 Lbs bushbuck stopped a 300 grain TSX with a muzzle velocity of 2,500 fps, impacting at 50 yards! Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Gentlemen: I have shot a hell of a lot of hogs in my life . Certainly over 1,000 . Since 11/1/23, I either shot or took people on a total of 68. I have personally shot them with a lot of rifles between 17 HMR and 500 Nitro Express . I have chased more than my fair share of wounded hogs especially helping my neighbors or guests . Was this hog shot in the right place? Absolutely. Did this hog die in short order? Absolutely. It went less than 100 yards . I can’t help but think that it would not have gone as far had I shot it with my trusty 300 Win Mag. Having said that , I still can’t believe it didn’t totally penetrate this tiny little pig. I can’t imagine what this would be like had it been a big boar with a shield. | |||
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That’s strange, I’ve shot several decent sized adult hogs with a .264 and 140 grain CoreLokt bullet. Each was a one shot kill and the bullets certainly didn’t “bounce off” as you ludicrously described a 150 grain bullet doing.  | |||
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Dan, I question that one as well. We did have an interesting incident a few years back . We trapped a big boar. I wasn’t here . The guy who looks after my place called me . I told him to shoot it . He takes his pistol, a 45 long Colt and shot it in the trap . He felt something on his leg. He looked down and the pistol bullet was laying right there. It has apparently bounced off the boar. We recon it was faulty ammo. | |||
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The bullet was simply not right for the task. I shit a bushbuck in SA head on with an 8x68S and there was no exit wound, bullet was a 200 TSX. He ran and we had to track him. When we found him his heart and lungs were absolutely shredded. Later on in the trip I shot both a Zebra and a Waterbuck with the same load and got exits on both. Either buy loads with a bukket that will perform or handload. People are whacki g hogs and much larger game with Tue 6.5 CM all the time. The only complaints I hear about performance all go back to wrong load for the job. DRSS Kreighoff 470 NE Valmet 412 30/06 & 9.3x74R | |||
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270 Win is a better caliber unless you're really recoil sensitive. If you want a flat shooting 6.5 the 264 Win Mag in a nice Model 70 is your ticket! Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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I read an old dusty Outdoor Life a little bit ago. It was an article by Jim Carmichel, on bullet performance. He told of shooting a warthog for the kitchen with a .458 and a 510 grn softpoint. Hit in the middle of the chest, knocked back on it's haunches, it ran off. He, the PH and trackers looked and never found it. His point, weird shit happens sometimes. | |||
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This is used by a 9 year old . Recoil will be an issue. | |||
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I have seen weird things occasionally. My top was shooting a running elephant in the shoulder . It stopped instantly like it has been stuck by lightning. This may be the issue. He shot another hogs this morning . At least twice the size . Went right through both sides . | |||
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It would be interesting if a couple more were shot with the same load. Just to see a baseline. | |||
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The regular 140 accubond is a good game bullet, the long range version is like a varmit bullet and just blows up on game. It should be confined to paper and steel target shooting. The blow up worse than the ballistic tips. | |||
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Larry, like you, I don't find that kind of performance satisfactory. It does not inspire confidence, I would tend to suspect the bullet. Why not switch bullets and see if that improves performance? Barnes loads their TTSX bullets in the Needmore (I do love that name). They even make a reduced recoil load for younger shooters that is still plenty powerful according to the published ballistics. Federal and Hornady also offer copper or copper alloy monolithic bullets in their 6.5 Creedmoor factory loads. Federal also offers the Swift Scirocco bullet in this caliber. I do like the Barnes X-bullets and other monolithic or bonded bullets for their structural integrity, expansion and penetration. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Maybe you should have bought a 6.5 Swedemoor. It has a much better history. Shoot Safe, Mike NRA Endowment Member | |||
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I had some different ammo at one time . When I bought this batch of ammo, it was all I could find at the time . Typical of me, I bought too much. I’ll try something different next time . | |||
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Problems with the 6.5 Man-Bun??? Say it ain't so!!! :-) | |||
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Humans... The 6.5 Carcano is underpowered. Also Humans..... The Creedmore is awesome! | |||
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I can't think of a worse choice for hogs than an ABLR at anything less than long long range. | |||
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At the time , it was all that I could find . | |||
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Lots of guys here call the 6.5 bleedmore. Guns and hunting | |||
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I have one in a K95. I bought one because similar to a Swede but ammo much easier to fund. Gotta get the right bullets. I like it cause till my shoulder gets worked on it doesn't hurt to shoot. The other reason I pick my shot placement or let it walk. So far the animals, Axis and hogs have drop right there. It will never replace my love for the 7x57 but I sure do like the 6.5. And no, I got no man bun but maybe the 6.5 explains my desire to wear women's panties now....bahahaha . You guys crack me up. It's not a do all end all. Yes it was hyped up bunches.. , get a good bullet, study the skeletal structure of what you are hunting and make a clean shot or simply enjoy watching the critter. | |||
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The 6.5 Swedish has roughly the same perf. Been used, and still used, by so many people for hunting especially in Scandinavia! Moose are a lot bigger than pigs. If an, I would put the blame on the bullets. | |||
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Thank God that the worst of the ammo shortage now seems to be behind us. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I was thinking the same thing????? I shoot a pile of em every year with plain old Sierra and bergers... They just die. | |||
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Sounds like a bullet problem to me. Maybe use a Barnes or something similar. The long range AB Nosler is meant to still expand at reduced velocity from long range. Maybe it was too fragile for the anatomy of a hog at close range. Of course that's just speculation. Would be interesting to see the bullet, if recovered. | |||
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i also have 2 -6.5 CM does a great job on deer size game with 120s The 6.5 CM is a ballistic twin to the 260 rem. i have one of those also, with the right ammo it will work on hogs | |||
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One shouldn't expect miracles from a blown out 22-250 case running 60K pressure. | |||
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