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430 YARDS






540 YARDS



Uncomplicated turret turning without calculators and with a zero stop so you can't get lost


Uncomplicated?? I guess you have to be clairvoyant to decipher what the heck those knobs are set to!!!

I fixed it for you so even a paisano can understand it!

And the zero stop looks like this (you don't need a mark since it will always stop at the same place by rotating the turret counterclockwise)




You can

• place the marks anywhere you want
• set the marks for any distance, i.e. 200, 300, 400, 500 & 600 or 200, 400, 600, 800 & 1000 yds
• It has a turret cap so you don't have to worry about it moving unless you move it

Easy to move by the plastic mover that comes with the scope or even the point of a ball point pen






Well, the pics won't update with the text and arrows showing how this works, maybe it will update later

Clear as mud.

I'm sure that's what all the competitive shooters and military snipers are using.


Looks like a foolproof system now that you've "explained it" to those of us with an inferior Italian intellect.



Can't wait to have a plate of that Texas BBQ on you!

When's good for you? The first shoot is this weekend on Sunday and every month thereafter on the first Sunday of each month till August.

I'll bring the lasagna and you bring the BBQ (from my friend's Nephew's place in Eagle Lake....unbelievably good!)

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Can't wait to have a plate of that Texas BBQ on you!

When's good for you? The first shoot is this weekend on Sunday and every month thereafter on the first Sunday of each month till August.

I'll bring the lasagna and you bring the BBQ (from my friend's Nephew's place in Eagle Lake....unbelievably good!)

Austin's In Eagle Lake is the name of the place you need to stop at on the way out.

Just go ahead and get a full brisket that we can slice up, some pork ribs, plenty of pulled pork with some fresh sliced onions, Oh.. they have great sausages, stock up on those too and plenty of the BBQ sauce.

Don't forget the buttered potatoes, potato salad and slaw.

I'm gonna work up quite an appetite watching you miss all those targets!

Just watched one of the hunting shows taped last weekend. Two guys who own the show had taken their sons on their first African trip. They were staggering around with what looked to be a Sako tactical rifle. They said it was 338 Lapua. They were hunting zebra and kudu. The total rig looked to weigh in the 16 pound range, and they could hardly carry it. They spent one whole day stalking and, surprisingly, had no luck while trying to carry this and full packs (the paid staff had nothing, not sure what they were carrying). They decided to sit on a tall hill the next day and glass for kudu. When they spotted a good bull, they ranged it, then had a group adjustment of the scope, clicking it up and down several times. Shot missed by two feet in their estimation. My estimation was around 5 feet over. They decided the problem was that they had adjusted up and down so many times for potential shots, they didn't know where it was set.

There is a reason they call it hunting and not shooting. One post above had pictures asking which situation gave you the best chance of making a hit. If you are talking about chance and not reasonable assurance, then you shouldn't pull the trigger. A sniper in war is justified in taking any shot he wants. Wounds are likely better than kills, and a miss isn'tt all bad from a psychological point. However, we aren't at war with the animals, and should not take any unreasonable risk of missing. Spend the time spent with the turrets at the range in practising stalking. If you can't make the stalk to a reasonable distance, enjoy the day in the field.

Someone said a mil is 1 meter at 1000 meters, this is correct. Another asked about determining what a mil measured at other ranges. A mil is simply 1/1000th. So it is 10cm at 100 meters, 20cm at 200m etc.

A mil is used to measure a circle just like a minute of angle is. Most americans, especially those who weren't doing long range gunnery in the military, find it easier to use minutes of angle. This is because a minute of angle is very close to an inch at 100 yards. Think of mils as the metric version of MOA's

Not use to using the mils as a measurement, just roughly used 3.6" at 100 or 36" at 1000yds.
Not exact, but figure that a 6' target at 1000yds would take two mil dots to cover, would that be correct? With known height/width of object could pretty well estimate range that way.

Well I have skimmed this thread and am still trying to figure out what the disagreement is about. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but Mil dots do two things:
1. Helps to estimate the range of an object of known size eg. 30" tall
2. Knowing the trajectory of your bullet it provides a quick way of putting the bullet somewhere on the target.
If you have a separate laser rangefinder then you don't need 1/ above, have a (probably) more exact range, but are still faced with #2.
There are a variety of reticules out there that also help with #2 above. Some of them are designed to help with #1 eg. bracket the body of an elk. I have a Rapid Z reticule from Zeiss that helps here, but again, you need to know the trajectory.
So, I hope that no one is saying that all you need do is to feed some numbers into a ballistic calculator and voila, you know the trajectory!
Of course, I haven't mentioned the wind! And, likewise I have not mentioned that none of this is precision shooting, like hitting a 4" kill zone at 430 yards! The original motivation for mil dots was to assist in hitting man size targets at various ranges, not kill zones of huntable animals.
So, knowing the exact range of an object and knowing the trajectory of the bullet (via a 4x5 card taped to the side of the butt stock) which is more precise, adjusting the elevation of the scope via the click adjustments or holding over using one of the horizontal lines of the reticule? Depends on how much time you have and how much clutter there is around the target. One thing for sure is that holding over with a mildot is not going to be as precise as holding over with a horizontal line (I wouldn't think).
Peter.

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.....So, knowing the exact range of an object and knowing the trajectory of the bullet (via a 4x5 card taped to the side of the butt stock) which is more precise, adjusting the elevation of the scope via the click adjustments or holding over using one of the horizontal lines of the reticule? Depends on how much time you have and how much clutter there is around the target. One thing for sure is that holding over with a mildot is not going to be as precise as holding over with a horizontal line (I wouldn't think).
Peter.

Holding over for elevation and "out" from the reticle for wind is the "duct tape and bailing wire" method of long range shooting.

"Holding over for elevation and "out" from the reticle for wind is the "duct tape and bailing wire" method of long range shooting."
I can't disagree with you RC. Here is my point though: If I saw a Kudu at that range would I take the shot? No! However if I saw someone digging a roadside bomb I would!
Peter.

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Originally posted by Peter:
"Holding over for elevation and "out" from the reticle for wind is the "duct tape and bailing wire" method of long range shooting."
I can't disagree with you RC. Here is my point though: If I saw a Kudu at that range would I take the shot? No! However if I saw someone digging a roadside bomb I would!
Peter.

I think the system really comes into its own when you have front/first focal plane (FFP) reticles

....Like this!
March-F 3-24x42 http://www.deon.co.jp/march/New-Scope.htm

That is a great looking scope!

Is that the first offering by March that has a FF plane reticle? I was on their site recently and couldn't find any scopes with the reticle in the FFP

Yes, I think so. They put alot of thought into the reticle, but I understand some other options may be coming in future.

I have a question. In Hot Core's first post what does the a and c with the funny lines, sometimes they have a tm or 3 up by the top, what does that mean?

That is a good question with an easy answer. Every time they Up-Date the Software for the site, it hoses up some things written in "Word" and the signs " & ". I go back and Edit it to correct it occasionally, but it just happens again the next time the Software is Up-Dated.

If there is a particular part that is really confusing you, let me know and I'll Up-Date it again.

So, I guess I should ignore them then.

Just replaced it with the File I have in Word. You should be able to read it now. The only things missing are the Highlights.

It simplifies how MilDots "can" be used in all kinds of ways, rather than the regemented "this is the only way to do it" type instructions you will find in most places.

If you like it, print it out, because the next time the Software changes, it will be hosed-up again.

Best of luck to you.