http://www.chuckhawks.com/ross_rifle.htm

http://www.riflesnguns.com/article/280-ross-280-rimless

http://www.lima-wiederladetechnik.de/Patronen/280-Ross.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/ma/ZERMEL/303brit.html

From the nostalgia viewpoint, of course it would be cool. Otherwise, it would be a waste of materials! Basically, the .280 Ross is a very poorly designed cartridge, and does nothing any modern 7mm magnum round won't do better. personally, I think the 7X61 Sharpe & Hart is more worthy of revival, just because it was introduced by Phil Sharpe......

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I think the 7X61 Sharpe & Hart is more worthy of revival, just because it was introduced by Phil Sharpe......

When I designed my 7mm wildcat back in 1981 I was trying to find the most efficient capacity. Plotting from 7x08 up through 7mmWby and later 7STW there was a sharp turn of the line at 75grs. So I designed my case for that. Just so happened that the 7x61 has the same capacity designed how many years before.

i guess a 7mm version of the steyr should be right there...

Having owned a couple of rifles chambered for the Ross cartridge, I really would like to see it back. (Both of mine were by English "London" manufacturers on magnum Mauser actions....)

Personally, I did not find anything negative to be bitchy about in either its design or performance.

It was essentially an unbelted magnum, which happened to use bullets of either .287" or .288", depending on the manufacturer. It had more taper than many folks who consider themselves "in the know modernists" seem to like, but that did not harm its performance, so far as my actual use could tell. It fed very well, was more than adequately strong cased, had an adequately long neck for good neck tension, and for the holding of heavy bullets as well as light ones.

My brass was mainly boxer primed, though some of it was also of British Kynoch make for berdan primers. I used mainly original North American made brass, which was head-stamped ".280" around the top of the primer pocket, and "Ross Rifle Co., Quebec" around the bottom of the primer pocket, IIRC. I preferred Fed. 215 primers, lighting a small bucket of H-4350 but today would likely go to one of the slower ball powders.

The Ross, and English clones of it, won a great many matches at Bisley, and was a favorite particularly at 1,000 and 1,200 yards. I loaded mine mainly with 180 gr. Barnes bullets of .288" diameter (the ones they call Barnes "Originals" today). If it was available again, and if they made correct diameter 175 gr. TSXs for it, that's likely what I would use for game. I'd like a nice 185 gr. Sierra .288" Matchking for target shooting, if one existed.

For a 7 m/m for match or game shooting in real life rather than just in theoretical disputation, that large-based, longish, tapered case, full of a correct burning rate powder would be more than adequate...and it would feed into the chamber like hot grease.

I'd likely dump a few of my current 7 belted mags just to get one again, if need be.

But then, it's in a way like the .300 H&H which shares many of the same characteristics...you either like it or you don't.

Who was the well known hunter/explorer who got buggered by a lion after giving it a 140gr bullet from his Ross with little effect due to high velocity failure?

Perhaps it was described by a well known author...I'm having a brain fart but I recall reading it a few years ago....

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Who was the well known hunter/explorer who got buggered by a lion after giving it a 140gr bullet from his Ross with little effect due to high velocity failure?

Perhaps it was described by a well known author...I'm having a brain fart but I recall reading it a few years ago....

It was a son of high ranking English nobility, Lord Gray (or Grey, not sure how he spelled it). Took place on the Athi plain outside Nairobi, If my poor old brain isn't also having a gaseous failure.

I think you might have it right Alberta Canuck - Lord Gray.

Thanks

the ross rules. the lion incident was due to 1920's bullet design. it is a heck of a round. 7 mag is for orthodontists to take on antelope hunts "out west".

i like how it was one of the original "supermags" dating back 101 years now and came out as a sporting round in 1907 so it is now 100 years since its release as a hunting rifle...

ok gunmakers...time for a centenial special edition!

http://www.huntingtons.com/bullets_custom.html

bullets are avaliable and the best way would be to use rum or jeffey brass to have a good and cheap supply of formable brass.

the 280 ross is waaaay older than the 300 h+h and could have been a prototype for the 375 h+h by th looks of it

This action has been available for ages, but none seem interested; http://www.gunsamerica.com/976397095/Guns/Rifles/Mauser...e_Mtn_Mag_Mauser.htm

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Originally posted by kayaker:
Who was the well known hunter/explorer who got buggered by a lion after giving it a 140gr bullet from his Ross with little effect due to high velocity failure?

Perhaps it was described by a well known author...I'm having a brain fart but I recall reading it a few years ago....

I don't remember his name either, but do remember reading of this particular incident. The incident was always cited as an example of why small-caliber, HV rifles should not be used for things that can eat you, rather than being cited as an instance of bullet failure that would not have happened, had proper bullets been in use in such rounds at that time.......

I read that too, and recall it seems the chap lost his life, wrong bullet.

woodjack,

what cartridge size is it for

Rich
DRSS

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:


Personally, I did not find anything negative to be bitchy about in either its design or performance.

It had more taper than many folks who consider themselves "in the know modernists" seem to like, but that did not harm its performance, so far as my actual use could tell.

Personally, IMHO, it was a great design, far ahead of its time as a hunting rifle cartridge. With today's powders and modern bullets it would be right up there with the .300 winnie. roger

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:


Personally, I did not find anything negative to be bitchy about in either its design or performance.

It had more taper than many folks who consider themselves "in the know modernists" seem to like, but that did not harm its performance, so far as my actual use could tell.

Personally, IMHO, it was a great design, far ahead of its time as a hunting rifle cartridge. With today's powders and modern bullets it would be right up there with the .300 winnie. roger

i guess if you wanted to do a ross clone you could use 7mm bullets instead of the 287 and use the cheap and strong rum or 404 brass in the ross dies.

later you could open up the bolt for more expensive brass with the larger rim if desired but this is just "modernizing" a classic

The Ross has a lot of things going for it (that I like): history, pedigree, and track record.

However, I consider the 7x66 Vom Hofe and 280 Jeffrey to be superior in design and performance.

Everytime I see 280 ross brass, I get this overwhelming urge to "ackley-ise" it. Must be a disease. - dan