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Originally posted by Dr. Lou:
LOVE-HATE

IMO, the best switch barrel rifle for the money is the Sauer 200/202. Lou

Its an abomination in comparison to the Steyr Mannlicher Luxus which has the scope attached to a picatinny type rail on each barrel - and only one hex screw to change it!

MLG, I agree the Steyr is a nice looking rifle, but not having owned one I can't comment any further. I know I like my Sauers much better than my R93. Lou

Blaser R 93's

People either love them, hate them, or just do not understand them.

Some things about the R 93 I have found to be true.

They are;
Very accurate, excellent trigger, always feed, extract,and eject.

Scope mounts go on and off with 100% return to zero.
The barrels go on and off the recievers with 100% return to zero.

No sighting or settling shots necessary.

I do not know of any other Bolt Rifle that can all the things that the R 93 can do.

It is in a Class by itself.

What is this world coming to? We are on page 2 of a thread on Blasers and No ONE has mentioned Blaser's blowing up, bolt in the face etc. etc. Could this be the start of the End Times?
Peter.

Didn't they claim to have solved that little problem? I didn't want to mention it here because R93 folks seem to be pretty sensitive. Sometimes too much engineering is a bad thing. Sauer and their ilk are on the edge of being over-engineered for their purpose. Blaser is absurdly over engineered, IMO. On the other end of the gun continuum is the Savage. But hey, choices are what make the world go around.

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Originally posted by mrlexma:

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Originally posted by ron williams:
I think they are overpriced but so is diesel fuel,you can bitch about it all you want but the bottum line is you just have to get used to paying for the things you want.

Absolutely! Well said, brother!

+2 Ron is our Blaser "expert" and the guy who got me hooked on the R93.

Dr. Lou, I was just stirring. I have an R93. It is probably my favorite rifle. 375H&H and 300WM barrels, scope mounts, case etc. I lOVE that rifle.
Peter.

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Originally posted by Peter:
What is this world coming to? We are on page 2 of a thread on Blasers and No ONE has mentioned Blaser's blowing up, bolt in the face etc. etc. Could this be the start of the End Times?
Peter.

No, enough of the crew here knows it was because the guy loaded pistol powder (Bullseye) into his 300 Weatherby and after 13 shots it finally let go. Let's see a M700 do that.

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Originally posted by Peter:
Dr. Lou, I was just stirring. I have an R93. It is probably my favorite rifle. 375H&H and 300WM barrels, scope mounts, case etc. I lOVE that rifle.
Peter.

I think they are unique looking and like the interchangable barrels and great selection of chamberings, especially the European ones. It simply doesn't float my boat. Regards, Lou

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Originally posted by f224:
No, enough of the crew here knows it was because the guy loaded pistol powder (Bullseye) into his 300 Weatherby and after 13 shots it finally let go. Let's see a M700 do that.

Dave, how do you know this?? Fact or conjecture??

I'm not refuting what you state, I just have not heard of a reliable source for this piece of information??

Oh, and btw, ever since I acquired my first R93 (in about 1994, or so), I have hunted with little else. I currently have 4 stock/bolt assemblies and around 12 barrels, or so.

I personally prefer the R93 to the Sauer 2xx family - primarily on account of the manual cocking mechanism, allowing me to carry a loaded gun in complete safety. I don't much care for the safety of the Sauer - which is different to any other rifle I know of. Other than that, either rifle is right at the top in Central Europe - in terms of quality, price and popularity. No flies on either product!

- mike

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Originally posted by Peter:
What is this world coming to? We are on page 2 of a thread on Blasers and No ONE has mentioned Blaser's blowing up, bolt in the face etc. etc. Could this be the start of the End Times?
Peter.

Since the Swedish test was published, it's not that much "i guess it will blow up when bla bla"
And most of these who guess, never owned or really wanted to own a Blaser, therefore not worth listening to.

Two old goats and a Professional Camo in .300 WinMag with rail mounted Swaro Z6 last October.

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Originally posted by Don B:


Two old goats and a Professional Camo in .300 WinMag with rail mounted Swaro Z6 last October.

I know nothing about goats but the one in the picture looks to be a very nice one. The other goat holding the rifle looks a little scrawny to me.

At one time I had five R93 actions and 10 barrels, 45 Blaser, 30-06, 300 win, 222, 9.3x62, 338 Win, 264, 25-06, 243, and 375.

A lot of you guys are shooting my old guns.

I have two complaints with them, I have had several fail to fires in mine. But the fault might have been mine. You really have to slam the damn thing shut, with a round in it.

The biggest issue for me is that they don't like reloaded brass very much. They get kind of weird about accepting reloads than are not fully resized. I don't like this as it kills off the brass quicker.

I will probably own another one someday. I have a lot of parts laying around and need to get back to shooting one or get rid of all my parts. I have been offered a new 416 safari for a resonable price. I don't need a 416, but it works for the match barrels and I can sell of the 416 barrel to do that.

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Originally posted by f224:

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Originally posted by Peter:
What is this world coming to? We are on page 2 of a thread on Blasers and No ONE has mentioned Blaser's blowing up, bolt in the face etc. etc. Could this be the start of the End Times?
Peter.

No, enough of the crew here knows it was because the guy loaded pistol powder (Bullseye) into his 300 Weatherby and after 13 shots it finally let go. Let's see a M700 do that.

A m700 has a strength of 200,000 CUP. I don't think a R93 with it's finger nail sized collet teeth could come close to that. Pretty hard to destroy a m700.

I do agree with what was posted earlier, the K95 is the nicest gun Blaser makes. To my fairly refined gun eye, it is the nicest Kiplauf break open single shot made on the planet by a factory.

I am in persuit of my second one I already have four barrels for the one I have 30-06, 10.3x60R, 222, 243.

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Originally posted by D99:
I have two complaints with them, I have had several fail to fires in mine. But the fault might have been mine. You really have to slam the damn thing shut, with a round in it.

The biggest issue for me is that they don't like reloaded brass very much. They get kind of weird about accepting reloads than are not fully resized. I don't like this as it kills off the brass quicker.

It is true that you have to ENSURE your R93 bolt is shut, otherwise it will go "click" when you pull the trigger - a safety feature to avoid the bolt being subject to chamber pressure without being completely closed. It seems a fairly common occurrence, that Blaser users forget this little detail. I always "whack" my bolt with the palm of my hand after shutting it, just to be sure. It has just become second nature.

It is true, that the issue of the R93 not closing on a round is a lot more pronounced with reloaded ammo. For that reason, I stopped using neck sized ammo in my R93s. I now rely on "partial FL sizing", and cases sized such allow the bolt to close almost as smoothly as new (factory) cases do. But I still whack the bolt, just to be sure...

- mike

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I stopped using neck sized ammo in my R93s. I now rely on "partial FL sizing", and cases sized such allow the bolt to close almost as smoothly as new (factory) cases do. But I still whack the bolt, just to be sure...

I only neck size for my 243w - 6.5x55 - 300wm and havin no problems about that over the last 3-4 year

This is quite odd. I literally carry and shoot a R-93 Professional EVERY DAY, and I have never had a failure to fire "click". I also only shoot reloaded ammo too, but I fully resize my brass and have had no trouble.

I thought Blasers were supposed to be "drama-free" guns.

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Originally posted by Dr. Lou:
.... because R93 folks seem to be pretty sensitive....

There is at least one "sensitive" guy here

505ED was the one who introduced me to the Blaser R93 and he gave me good advice: "Don't baby it" ie. cycle the bolt fairly vigorously. I have never had a problem with the rifle going "click".
Peter.

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Originally posted by mho:
It is true, that the issue of the R93 not closing on a round is a lot more pronounced with reloaded ammo. For that reason, I stopped using neck sized ammo in my R93s. I now rely on "partial FL sizing", and cases sized such allow the bolt to close almost as smoothly as new (factory) cases do.

Mike I wish you'd been around to provide that info on this thread I started:

http://forums.accuratereloadin...2511043/m/8551000201

I was having great problems getting reloaded neck sized brass to chamber and now I find that you knew the secret all along :-)

Good info that lets me know I'm not the only person with similar problems.

As an aside to all of this I've had the failure to fire click myself. The bolt was properly closed etc. I chambered another round with much gusto and it also gave me the click. The chap I was with was an experienced Blaser user and he said that he had seen the problem before and knew the solution. He told me to remove the bolt and reinsert it. I did this and the problem did not repeat.

We couldn't see any problem with the way the bolt was seated and it was closing OK but clearly something was amiss. So, if anyone has this problem just take your bolt out and reinsert it. If you haven't had the bolt out since the rifle last fired then you will have no problems so don't remove the bolt on a known good rifle on a dangerous game hunt.

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What is this world coming to? We are on page 2 of a thread on Blasers and No ONE has mentioned Blaser's blowing up, bolt in the face etc. etc. Could this be the start of the End Times?
Peter.

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Sometimes too much engineering is a bad thing. Sauer and their ilk are on the edge of being over-engineered for their purpose. Blaser is absurdly over engineered, IMO.

Blaser R93 also known as selbstschüssgerat 93 or ingenieurbüchse 93

but i'm one of the haters, so don't listen to me.

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Originally posted by D99:
I do agree with what was posted earlier, the K95 is the nicest gun Blaser makes. To my fairly refined gun eye, it is the nicest Kiplauf break open single shot made on the planet by a factory.

Twoz me what said that.
Interestingly my wife, who can't distinguise one rifle from another, said only yesterday,
'What a nice looking rifle" when commenting on the K95.
I'm not sure if I should be worried or pleased by this observation, it's disconcerting when the beloved takes me by surprise in this way, ie she's taking note of what I own or do.
Most disconcerting!

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Originally posted by ron williams:

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Originally posted by Don B:


Two old goats and a Professional Camo in .300 WinMag with rail mounted Swaro Z6 last October.

I know nothing about goats but the one in the picture looks to be a very nice one. The other goat holding the rifle looks a little scrawny to me.

It looks to me like they go to the same dentist

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Blaser is absurdly over engineered, IMO. On the other end of the gun continuum is the Savage. But hey, choices are what make the world go around.

What have you then selected as a perfect engineered rifle? Then Savage might be under engineered or?

The problem about chambering neck sized ammo is quite the same as it is in a M98, so if you handle the R93 with the same force as you would use on a M98 type, there should be no problems
Like we say here in Denmark "don't handle it like a none would handle a sailor’s dick”

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What have you then selected as a perfect engineered rifle? Then Savage might be under engineered or?

Sako, of course.

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Originally posted by Dr. Lou:

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What have you then selected as a perfect engineered rifle? Then Savage might be under engineered or?

Sako, of course.

Dr. Lou, you seem like a fine upstandin feller,I am going to to my best to bring you back into the Blaser fold, the next few years.

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Originally posted by mho:

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Originally posted by f224:
No, enough of the crew here knows it was because the guy loaded pistol powder (Bullseye) into his 300 Weatherby and after 13 shots it finally let go. Let's see a M700 do that.

Dave, how do you know this?? Fact or conjecture??

I'm not refuting what you state, I just have not heard of a reliable source for this piece of information??

Oh, and btw, ever since I acquired my first R93 (in about 1994, or so), I have hunted with little else. I currently have 4 stock/bolt assemblies and around 12 barrels, or so.

I personally prefer the R93 to the Sauer 2xx family - primarily on account of the manual cocking mechanism, allowing me to carry a loaded gun in complete safety. I don't much care for the safety of the Sauer - which is different to any other rifle I know of. Other than that, either rifle is right at the top in Central Europe - in terms of quality, price and popularity. No flies on either product!

- mike

The law suit filings were available for some time on line but my information came from a source at the factory.

The R93 is tested to 250,000+ bars if I remember correctly. The Swedish testes of blocked barrels pretty much said all I needed to know.

Thanks Dave.

- mike

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Originally posted by ron williams:

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Originally posted by Dr. Lou:

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What have you then selected as a perfect engineered rifle? Then Savage might be under engineered or?

Sako, of course.

Dr. Lou, you seem like a fine upstandin feller,I am going to to my best to bring you back into the Blaser fold, the next few years.

It's a deal!

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Originally posted by f224:

...The R93 is tested to 250,000+ bars if I remember correctly...

IMO, at 250,000+ bar, there is no test for any gun; only an explosion. Proof tests are usually made at pressures exceeding 35/40% the max CIP, that means, for instance, 6100-6600 bar for a 300WM. Do you mean that Blasers are tested at 3700-3800% more than the CIP max? I believe that it's even difficult, if not impossible, to make such proof rounds.

Wildboar, I'm not going to argue Dave's numbers. But I will just point out, that proof testing, which every gun is subject to in certain European countries, is different from destructive testing, which a new product is often (always?) submitted to. In the case of destructive testing, only samples of the product will be submitted to testing - and consequently destroyed.

I have no idea at which pressure level destructive testing takes place.

- mike

He said that the R93 are tested at 250.000+ bar, but at that level of pressure, IMO, there is only a destruction, no matter which brand of gun.

No, Dave said:

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Originally posted by f224:
The R93 is tested to 250,000+ bars if I remember correctly.

Note, Dave used singular ("The R93 is tested"), as opposed to plural ("the R93 are tested"). In any event, Dave may chime in and tell us what he meant. I should stop arguing on his behalf

- mike

I agree Mike; I certainly know that only a few R93 are "tested/vaporized" at 250.000+ bar. I still doubt that this level of pressure is even possible to reach. I can see that this is a real Blaser brotherhood and, even as a moderate dissident, I'm not welcome here.

P.S. He probably would say 250.000 PSI = 17.000 bar, that is a far more realistic option.

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Originally posted by wildboar:
I agree Mike; I certainly know that only a few R93 are "tested/vaporized" at 250.000+ bar. I still doubt that this level of pressure is even possible to reach. I can see that this is a real Blaser brotherhood and, even as a moderate dissident, I'm not welcome here.

P.S. He probably would say 250.000 PSI = 17.000 bar, that is a far more realistic option.

Nope; no dissent among the ranks. I went back and looked at my notes from a few years back. The correct statement should have been something like this: The R93 that was destroyed by the improper handloads was estimated to have been subjected to pressures in excess of 200-250,000 bars.
I should leave the engineering to the engineers. But it is accurate to say that the R93 is as strong if not stronger than any other action on the market. It's safety is not questioned by any reasonable person.

I can say, one thing I do not worry about is a Blaser blowing up in my face.

I can also say of ALL the bolt rifles I have ever used, and I have used a LOT OF THEM, the Blaser R 93 is my favorite.