cartridge accessability aside...which is a better cart for all of north america including big bears to sheep and pronghorn long shots and four to five hundred yard target shooting. they have roughly the same recoil and need for a longer barrel so which is better. on the heavy side the rum can push 220 grainers @3000 fps or the winmag 275 grainers @ 2500fps. let the games begin!

For my purposes, I'll go 338 Win. Mag.

I'm not exactly against the 300 RUM, but I don't like 26-28" barrels on hunting rifles; don't like the comparatively short barrel life that cartridges like the RUM are subject to; I won't use a muzzle break, I want more magazine capacity than the RUM provides, etc. Long-range shooting was not an unknown feat before Remington sired the RUM: the 300 Win. Mag., for example, was used to win the 1,000 yd. Wimbleton long before anyone dreamed the RUM up.........

With the 338 Win. Mag., I can have a handy rifle with a light 24" barrel, a four-round magazine capacity (plus one up the spout), enjoy much longer barrel life, great ammo & brass availability, and be able to shoot bullets up to 250 grs. in weight (I discount those that are heavier as unnecessary). I'f I want to shoot flat at big animals, I can load 225 gr. Accu Bonds (BC of .550) @ 2900 fps., zero for 250 yds., and be set for most any open-country hunting anywhere in the world. Or, I can load 250s and be ready for just about anything up close or out to 300 yds........

AD

Another vote for the 338 win mag, enough bullet and flat enough trajectory for all NA game at reasonable ranges.

I could see building a custom LR rifle in .300RUM, but for all around NA hunting, I would rather have a 24"bbl. .338wm. No matter how you load the .338wm, I don't think it's a true LR rifle, just not enough vel.

I have been using an old Ruger 77 (tang safety) in .338 for a whole lot of years. I don't have any idea which would be better. The reason is that since I have been using the .338, I have had no reason to look any further.
When I bought it, I wanted something that would be good for anything I would ever hunt in North America. It has been darn near perfect.
1 Elk, 2 Moose, 2 Bears, 4 Caribou.
That's a total of nine big game animals, for a total of 11 rounds fired. I screwed up on the Elk, and on 1 bear. My fault, not the round.
So, I don't know if this was any help to you, but I tried.
Best of hunting to you

.338 Win Mag for me. (However, if I had the choice I'd take my .338 RUM.)

For me, I'd stick with my present .338 WM. It has a 22" bbl thats quite handy and little if any noticable performance loss. Mine just happens to be as accurate as I am every time! I have literaly had cloverleaf groups from improvised rests.

I don't have any personal experience with the RUM so can't judge it to much. I do agree with AD on some of the draw backs. Other than shooting really far, say 1000+ yards, I don't see that I'd use it much. Nate

I see there are no velocity issues here the 250gr 338 bullet drops quite a bit after 270 meters

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heavy side the rum can push 220 grainers @3000 fps or the winmag 275 grainers @ 2500fps. let the games begin!

Ill go with the 220 @3000 fps for long range
target shooting.
(But get a .338 250 grain boatail @3000 fps and we have a different story ie .340 )

Amen to that . Arent the 340 rounds quite pricey

338

the 240 grain sierra mk can be pushed to 2986fps. in the 300 rum just look at the load data on this site! i think it is a fraction of a red cunt hair ( ) difference on the 340 can't do without my belt weatherby

the 338 win mag is old news there are several 30s out now with more knockdown power and long range preformance than the old 338

Damn I guess I made a bad choice.
Should have said the .338 RUM


You asked!

The 338 um is an excellent choice for a comparison

good burn, i dont like belts...the 338 rum is comp to the 340 without the belt but i would not sell a rifle and get used to a new rifle just for a belt but to do it over what would you do?

But, the 338 Win Mag does everything you need for hunting. I've been hunting for many years, and know of only one hunter who "killed" an animal at a range longer than 400 yards. I'm sure there are many who can do it, but that's the exception rather than the rule. Therefore a cartridge that offers what the RUM's do, is typically only appreciated at the range.

The RUM's are nice, efficient cartridges, but I'm not sure they offer the average hunter any advantage.

I've owned and hunted with the 300 Weatherby, and sold it and bought a 338 WinMag. The 300 Weatherby for all practical purposes is equal to the 300 RUM. Either one will kill game at any range I'll ever hunt at.

"""the 240 grain sierra mk can be pushed to 2986fps. in the 300 rum just look at the load data on this site! i think it is a fraction of a red **** ****..."""

I'm not interested in dealing with the recoil, or the long barrel required to achieve that velocity.

Boomstick,
You sure start a lot of posts...

i just went to a bullet calculator and found out that the sierra 240 moving at that speed comes up with 4,930 lbs of energy!

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Originally posted by JBabcock:
But, the 338 Win Mag does everything you need for hunting. I've been hunting for many years, and know of only one hunter who "killed" an animal at a range longer than 400 yards. I'm sure there are many who can do it, but that's the exception rather than the rule. Therefore a cartridge that offers what the RUM's do, is typically only appreciated at the range.

The RUM's are nice, efficient cartridges, but I'm not sure they offer the average hunter any advantage.

I've owned and hunted with the 300 Weatherby, and sold it and bought a 338 WinMag. The 300 Weatherby for all practical purposes is equal to the 300 RUM. Either one will kill game at any range I'll ever hunt at.

"the 240 grain sierra mk can be pushed to 2986fps. in the 300 rum just look at the load data on this site! i think it is a fraction of a red **** ****..."

I'm not interested in dealing with the recoil, or the long barrel required to achieve that velocity.

Boomstick,
You sure start a lot of posts...

would you rather i talk to my wife who can't give a rats you know what about guns?

Boomstick what type of 340 do you own

none..........yet!

Then i would go with a Rem M700 sendero in 338um

I dont like the belts either but some of the classics would not be the same without them.
And I am not talking about the .264 win or the
6.5 Rem either.


Two cartridges actually needed them the .300 h@h and the .375 h@h.

The rest were all publicity projects (headspace).

You are welcome to start as many posts as you like, and I mean no disrespect by the above statement, if I offended you I apologize.

I owned a 340 Weatherby, it was the most vicious kicking rifle I've ever shot, or maybe the Marlin 45-70 with full-house 405's was...

no slams on the classics! lov'em they are holy and only need to be reffered to in reverent tones

I hurl 200 gain bullets out of my 338RUM at 3100ft/sec without using near max load. Haven't chrono'd 250 grainers but have shot a deer at over 500 yds with these 250's. It is not a rifle that I'd care to lug up and down mountains with though, maybe when I was a younger man I might have as it will shoot 1000 yds easy enough.

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Originally posted by JBabcock:
You are welcome to start as many posts as you like, and I mean no disrespect by the above statement, if I offended you I apologize.

I owned a 340 Weatherby, it was the most vicious kicking rifle I've ever shot, or maybe the Marlin 45-70 with full-house 405's was...

no offense taken, just stiring the poop...the 45-70 is my favorite riffle (marlin stainless guide gun)

Where would we be today without the originals to improve on and tweak out it is all personal prefrance

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Originally posted by Luckyducker:
I hurl 200 gain bullets out of my 338RUM at 3100ft/sec without using near max load. Haven't chrono'd 250 grainers but have shot a deer at over 500 yds with these 250's. It is not a rifle that I'd care to lug up and down mountains with though, maybe when I was a younger man I might have as it will shoot 1000 yds easy enough.

the 250 grainers will go 2900 fps and some change

sorry partly my fault

dont forget the post is comparing the 338 win mag and the 300 rum

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Where would we be today without the originals to improve on and tweak out it is all personal prefrance

Agree the 404 Jeffrey is the proud father of all the new Remington stompers!

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Originally posted by boom stick:
cartridge accessability aside...which is a better cart for all of north america including big bears to sheep and pronghorn long shots and four to five hundred yard target shooting. they have roughly the same recoil and need for a longer barrel so which is better. on the heavy side the rum can push 220 grainers @3000 fps or the winmag 275 grainers @ 2500fps. let the games begin!

For my type of hunting in Alaska, it's hard to beat a .338WM loaded with 250-grain bullets at 2,700 fps, but 2,660 or so is plenty. I prefer a .300WM with 200-220 grainers to a .300 RUM.

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220 grainers @3000 fps or the winmag 275 grainers @ 2500fps

okay the .300 Rum at Looonger distances!

404 jeffery is also the step dad of the lazzeroni long mags

I am going to shoot my .270 2 minutes from my house besause I live in aplace that I can!!

Anybody had a chance to shoot a lazzeroni

this from buckmasters gunhunting mag http://www.gunhuntermag.com/Features/040407Magnums.html

300 Remington Ultra Mag
This is the cartridge that got it started. It’s also my top pick for most North American hunting. The .300 RUM shoots very flat and hits very hard. It can handle heavy bullets that penetrate deep with ease, and it’s one of the most versatile cartridges on earth. I have shot game from prairie dogs to wild hogs, including several deer, with mine. I have hunted with it from Alaska to Alabama, and if I had to choose only one rifle to use in North America, it would be this one. I have used or watched this cartridge in action on game from antelope to zebras, and it’s never failed to impress me

I know guys who have literally shot every species of the world's big game with belted-magnums, and their efforts haven't suffered too much as a result of that confounded belt!

Personally, I've been shooting belted magnums for nearly thirty years, and I haven't had any problem with belted cases, either. At least nothing I can lay my finger on. Maybe I've been doing something wrong, but my experiences and those of the anti-belt propagandists simply don't match up.

As usual, these cartridge arguments are fun, but always get down to Jim Carmichel's comment:

"There's no shortage of all-purpose rifles -- where are the all-purpose hunters?"

AD

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Originally posted by ajwsm:
Anybody had a chance to shoot a lazzeroni

is that an italian dish? no i dont shoot food

too expensive not enough around, might as well be a wildcat

pretty witty r we