I am thinking of having a custom rifle made in one of these two calibers. I was wondering which of the two are more commonly found.

I figured someone here would have to have an opinion on this subject!

Thanks!

RobertD

Win, Weatherby, RUM, Holland, in order of how available I've seen guns and ammunition to be.

Holland, Win, Bee, RUM, the order I put their desirability in.

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300 H&H

in terms of ammo sold and NEW guns sold?
well, let's see .. walmart carries 300 rum NOT hh and winchester NO LONGER MAKES 300 HH brass runs ..

wonder what that means?

wallyworld also basically carries win, rum, wsm, as thats the ammo for new and "normal" guns

Gosh, I hate myself for this.....

I currently have .300 H&H, .30-338 Mag, .300 Winchester, and .300 Wby rifles, and except for the .300 Win., I love them all. Even the .300
Win is a very, very good rifle (mine is a Ruger No. 1-V), it just doesn't have the "cachet" that reaches out, grabs me, and won't let go.

Having said all that, Lord save me, I think if I was going to build another .300 today, it would likely be a .300 WSM. So many actions out there it will fit in, easily available brass, good ballistics, no belt, short and fat so that it looks "modern"...all the stuff the ads hype these days.

I don't think it would actually be any better than ANY of the others, but hey, it would be fun to give it a try in a really nice rifle.

Which is more common? It's pretty hard to find a 300 RUM because a lot of them are now 404J's. As for as brass goes I was able to come up with 300 pieces in a couple of months on Gunbroker and from Midway. As for as loaded ammo goes you will not find any at WallMart, but you can get it at Cabelas or like I did have a local pawnshop order it for me. IMHO go with the H&H Super 30 you will love it. JC

If it's a custom rifle of the wood/blue type and on M70 or Mauser, then no contest, 300 H&H.

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
I love them all. Even the .300 Win is a very, very good rifle (mine is a Ruger No. 1-V), it just doesn't have the "cachet" that reaches out, grabs me, and won't let go. ...

Trade it for a 300WinMag Wby U-Lt, and it will have all the "cachet" you want.

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Originally posted by RobertD:
I am thinking of having a custom rifle made in one of these two calibers. I was wondering which of the two are more commonly found...

Depends where you look.
In our strongbox we have two .300H&H customs, no other .30mag for miles....

I can't say either is 'common'. You do not see either afield very often. I have a winchester 70 in both the H+H and Ultra Mag. The H+H is the one that gets used sometimes, 95% of the time I use a 30-06 though.

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:
If it's a custom rifle of the wood/blue type and on M70 or Mauser, then no contest, 300 H&H.

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I have to disagree with the article where recoil is concerned. My 300 H&H kicks every bit as hard as does my nephew's 300 Winchester mag. Is that a bad thing? And as my chronograph shows, the old H&H does everything the Winny will do and sometimes it does it better, like with 200 grain bullets for example.

+1, got my pre 64 H&H to handle 200 grainers and it puts both the A FR and the TSX into the same holes at 100 yards, gotta luv the ole H&H! Don't know "MANY" animals in the world that can get away from this one! Yeah, got its big sister to handle those three or four!

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I was wondering which of the two are more commonly found.

I think you have the wrong end of the telescope on this! I'd think more in terms NOT of what is more commonly found now but which is likely to be still found in, say, ten or twenty years time.

We can all recall 375 Winchester, 225 Winchester, 6.5mm Remington Magnum and Etc. All no doubt "more commonly found" at one time than the 300 H & H.

But today? All pretty much gone save from the pages of Cartridges of the World.

I'd look either at the 300 H & H or the 300 Winchester Magnum.

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Originally posted by Hot Core:

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
I love them all. Even the .300 Win is a very, very good rifle (mine is a Ruger No. 1-V), it just doesn't have the "cachet" that reaches out, grabs me, and won't let go. ...

Trade it for a 300WinMag Wby U-Lt, and it will have all the "cachet" you want.

Perhaps, HC, but I wouldn't care to own an U-Lt in any chambering, thank you. Just not my style. To my old eyes the U-Lts are just plain to-the-bone-UGLY. I am not yet so old and so frail that I have to carry a rifle I don't like the looks of.

(It's kind of a blonde, brunette, or redhead thing. You try to pick up the ones you like the looks of best. There are times & circumstances where they all look good, but....

Anyway, to me the Ultra-Lts are about as attractive as a woman with no hair at all. May perform great, but first I have to get past the looks...)



Just personal choice, but there it is.


EnfieldSpares- What you say makes sense. One of the reasons I don't get rid of any of my current .300 Maggies of all ilk, is that same sort of thought. I know at least some ammo will be available for at least one of them on down the road...even if it is all illegal by then. Since they don't eat, I'll just keep 'em around.

Hey AC, I understand. We all have different tastes and preferences.

I had a buddy get an American Made Wby U-Ly in 308Win. He was bragging on it like the old "Holy Grail" crowd did about the rag pre-64 M70s. But his reasoning was totally different. He would go on and on about how well it "fit" him and how well the stock felt in the Off Hand position.

After a few weeks, he handed it to me and I sure understood what he meant. Light weight, balances well with a 24" barrel and comes with a fine Trigger. Had to go Trade for one just like his. Only difference between our rifles is the scope choice. He has a really fancy Leupold LPS and I had a VariX-III on mine back then.

Carries like almost nothing, fits well in the hand and the Decellerator calms everything down to almost no real recoil.

Plus, it is Stainless and Synthetic, not rusting Blue and Termite Food. Doesn't get better looking than that.

ive never found h&h ammo or rifles around these parts before. I have found RUM at many stores as well as rifles. Win and Wby are much, much more common. Nosler is making H&H ammo now, however, but its pricey. If you reload just buy a batch of cases and call it good, unless you are a very frequent shooter, I doubt you would ever need more then 100 pieces of brass. If going the custom route and reloading I would pick the H&H hands down. With a 26" barrel and stout reloads it'll do anything that needs to be done that a 30 cal would be used for.

If you want more speed/power then a 300 Win Mag, and don't reload you're better served with a 300 Wby, but again go for the 26" barrel otherwise it barely eclipses 300 win performance but you will still get the extra recoil and muzzle blast. That's why I am rebarreling another rifle to 300 wby with a 26" tube and ill likely use my M70 wby with a 24" as a donor action for another project.

the ACTUAL question is simple .. which is more common TODAY .. the 300 rum ... savage, remington, and weatherby, all sold at walmart, chamber it... NONE of those chamber HH .. and hh aint available at wallyworld.

i am TICKLED at the guys asking "what about X years from now?" .. you mean, the same question asked TEN years ago? same answer, guys.. rum, win, wsm, weatherby, and WAY down the list, 300HH

Thanks for the info.

I have thought seriously about the H&H. I am using a Model 700 long action for it, one I bought when I was 16. It took me over two years to save up for it, so it is part of the family now.

Well, the family I keep in the safe anyway.

Lemme see, Hornady is now loading the 300 H&H. CZ is now offering rifles chambered for it. I only need one 300 H&H and one good load for it.

Rich

Actually A good question. I am considering having a 300 Win Mag built by MG Arms for hunting out west. I want to hunt everything with it. Your thoughts ?

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Originally posted by Grenadier:

In my unprofessional opinion the 300RUM is a "flash in the pan" cartridge. It is having its 15 minutes of fame before it goes the way of the .375 Winchester, .450 Marlin Mag, .284 Win, .350 Rem Mag, 7mm STW, etc.

The 300 RUM bears no resemblance to those calibres except of course the 7mm STW. But even then there is a big diffence.

The 300 RUM offers the maximum practical cartridge size for the Rem 700 and M70. I am betting the 300 RUM will be around for a very long time.

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Originally posted by Grenadier:

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:

The 300 RUM bears no resemblance to those calibres except of course the 7mm STW. But even then there is a big diffence.

The 300 RUM offers the maximum practical cartridge size for the Rem 700 and M70. I am betting the 300 RUM will be around for a very long time.

Mike, I was only trying to mention cartridges that had 15 minutes of fame. I wasn't knocking the .300RUM. I just don't think it will maintain its popularity for very long. I thought the 8mm RemMag was a great idea but I guess nobody else did. Only time will tell.

I thought the 8mm Rem was doomed from day one and the reason being a "new bore size" but surrounded by 300s and 338. The 7mm Rem while a "new bore size" offered ballistics far above the 270 and 30/06. As best I can remember original published ballistics were a 150 grain a 3260 and 175 grain at 3070.

300 RUM does well in Australia. However, I think as a group Australians are far more likely to be reloaders than Americans, especially outside the 223, 243 and 308 rifles. So ammo availability and cost compared to 300 Winchester is not an issue.

I think the main limiting factor for the 300 RUM is lack of factor rifle chamberings. If someone wants a 300 Magnum and does like Rem 700 then the 300 Win will get the vote or the 300 Wby in either the Vanguard or Mark V Synthetic

I have been down this road a couple times and ended up with a 300 Weatherby in a Howa (Vangard) action.It shoots 5 shots into .4'' @
100yds and is completely repeatable with an old Redfield. All I need.

I don't shop at the Great Wal(of China) Mart. I patronize real gun shops that have resident gunsmiths and understand what I want. Cabela's, in nearby Boise, has three brands of 300 H&H ammunition on the shelves.

Rich

I own the 300 RUM and also the 300 Win. Wouldn't trade either of them. I love my 300's.

I agree on the 300H&H, it is a classic......
what more can be said!!! Personal tatste!!
If one decides on a caliber through Wallmart offerings, then good luck on paying for your hunt!!! not too much differance in ammo prices between the lot if ordered from the net!!

I have seen a remarkable increase in componants for the 300H&H as of late and it certainly is making a comeback!!

I have a custom .300 WSM and have killed close to 100 game animals with it on two continents and in four different countries. Wouldn't trade it for either the classic 300 H&H or the hard kicking 300 RUM.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I don't shop at the Great Wal(of China) Mart. I patronize real gun shops that have resident gunsmiths and understand what I want. Cabela's, in nearby Boise, has three brands of 300 H&H ammunition on the shelves.

Rich

Walmart is the largest retailer of guns, ammo, and hunting stuff on the planet, Rich -- Remington aint made in china ... The way one influences Walmart's purchasing is to purchase american made ...

If you are going to reload and like to get the velocity and performance out of a cartridge I'd go with the RUM; no belt to cause trouble resizing. In my 300 WBY I couldn't reload cases but twice before primer pockets became loose and the belt started swelling (still book load). I've reloaded my RUM cases several times and am getting on average 3382 fps with 185 grain bullets (28" barrel).

Depends on what your personal goal is and how much recoil you can handle. How far are you shooting and at what.

I myself never plan to buy another BELTED mag. If you don't want extra velocity Id probably go with one of the short mags.

God Bless, Louis

I would go 300H&H

My walmart doesn't carry ammo for my 375 H&H, nor my 416 rigby.

I have never seen .470 on a shelf anywhere.

I think the "Does Walmart Carry the Ammo Test" is not a very good one.

I think worrying about ammo availability is a bit overblown. Buy a couple hundred R-P brass for it, dies, and don't worry.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
winchester NO LONGER MAKES 300 HH brass runs ..

wonder what that means?

piss poor planning?

Bods on ..THe Late Great .300H&H.

Of the two you mentioned, the 300 RUM is the most popular from what I've seen up here in Alaska.
Know a bunch of guys who consider the 300 RUM their go to rife, most shoot either 200 or 220's out of them. Seen a couple of moose shot with them and the results were impressive.
I can't remember the last time I even seen 300 H&H ammo or brass for sale in any of the local stores.

I have a 300 Win Mag and a 300 RUM And I love them both.

I just bought a 300 rum. I love it, as for reloading I can find brass anywhere, but Im not savy on powders.. Can anyone help I want speed, and power. Debating 180grn swift scirocco, or Barnes ttsx. any help would be nice

I use a H&H. And I see ammo at Sportsman's on occasion, although I load my own.

Duke---I have 2 of the 300RUM's, a sendero and a 700BDL. Both of mine shoot Retumbo very well and have had relatively good performance out of IMR7828. My Sendero will handle 101gr of Retumbo with a 180gr Hornady for 3400fps muzzle velocity and shoot sub MOA. the BDL is a little tight chambered and max's out at 97gr of Retumbo with 180gr TSX's.

I'm enjoying my '56 winchester m70 in 300 h&h despite telling myself a while back I wouldn't get a 30 cal magnum, but would instead get a 308/30-06 or a bigger bore magnum. but I stumbled on this and traded for it, thinking about it I don't mind having a bottom end magnum, it will almost do a 5 shot 1" group with 200gr sierras at a lowly 2600fps, thats all I need.

brass is out there, but almost a dollar a piece, dies are out there. I have seen 2 different articles on this caliber in recent magazines, it might have a revival!

I never let ammo availability influence my choices on rifles for a few reasons. I can't afford to shoot a lot of factory ammo, where I live hunting ammo has to be lead free so that limits selection further while increasing price, and I enjoy loading my ammo (when, God willing, I have time to actually do so).

that said, I have a 308 Norma mag, a fantastic round that also isn't real popular. My stepfather's brother bought a 300 win mag years ago, it never performed well for him so he had it rechambered to 308 norma and was happy ever after. My stepfather was on an out of state hunt where he did well but felt that he could have used more range so had his 06 ran out to Norma. So it was a logical choice for me. I would take it over the Win personally any day, but that's just preference.

If I were going to buy an off the shelf 30 mag it would be the vanguard 300 weatherby, can't beat that with a stick.

If I were going to build a custom 30 mag, well the 300 H&H is a cool gun, and would match my 375 .

If I were going to use the RUM case, and I've thought of this, I would do it in 35 cal. a 358 RUM (I read one write up where an author did this, and his performance was not on par with the other RUM line of cartridges so I think he wasn't loading it right or something). I like 35's and think that it would be a killer cartridge, with that much case I want to be in a heavier bullet class, personally.

all just opinions, in the end the important thing is that you post pictures.

Red