500grains

The Whelen was not invented to compete with the 9.3, it was invented to make use of already available components in the U.S. A measley 10% difference is a joke and your ignorance is profound.

With a 270gr North Fork, 275gr Hawk, 280gr Swift A-Frame, 300gr Hawk, 310gr Woodleigh, in a Whelen (mine has a one in 14" twist)no human on this planet could tell the difference between the two.

The .35 Whelen is a little heavy for tree rats and light for elephants, but with the right load it works fine for everything in between...and it don't have no stinkin belt either!!

All I can say is, good luck trying to bury any cartridge based on the 30-06 case. It will never happen. The 338-06 and the 35 Colonel may not be popular commercially, but they'll always be around, loaded by guys who know better than the average weekend warrior, grab a gun and run guy.--2MG

I like classic cartridges, and the 35 Whelan qualifies. So I do not believe it ought to be buried. But I've hever had on either.

However, with only limted factory adoption of this classic cartridge (as far as I can recall only the remington 7600 at present) it's never going to be popular.

But lack of popularity is never a justification to bury a cartridge.

Cheers & God bless,
Magnum308

Guess i´m a walking contradiction hunting moose and red deer here in Europe with a 35 Whelen
I never compared it to the 9,3-62, I couldn´t care less.
I just wanted a Whelen to fill the gap between my 308 Win and the 375 H&H.
Why Whelen ??? Guess the answer is the same as when some guys run their heels off after a red head while others tumbles over when they see a busty blonde.....

What a dull world if all those "obsolent" and "out dated" cartridges was buried !!

My 35 Whelen shines with 250 gr Woodleighs, and hunting side by side with 9,3-62 and 338 Winmag guys; nobody is able to tell the difference when a moose tumbles over with the legs in the air. So mine is not to be buried...at least not befor I am

My Whelen might be the last rifle I would give up. Something about 35cal (I have a 358 BLR also) and accuracy which I can't put a finger on, but sure enjoy!

So why didn't the .358 Norma Mag. catch on?

It is arguably superior in every way to the .35 Whelen.

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Originally posted by LE270:
So why didn't the .358 Norma Mag. catch on?

It is arguably superior in every way to the .35 Whelen.

No question the Norma is superior. I suspect that the 338 coming out around the same time and the fact that the Norma wasn't developed over here played a large part in it's popularity or lack of. Had it been developed here, magnums may have had an entirely different face in North America today. Nothing wrong with the Norma and it treads very closely on the heels of the 375 H&H. Another thing I like about the Norma is you can go all the way down to a 22" tube and lose very little in terms of velocity.

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Originally posted by LE270:
So why didn't the .358 Norma Mag. catch on?

It is arguably superior in every way to the .35 Whelen.

Had Norma bought that thing out for the .375 bullets I believe it would have succeeded big time. Further it would have given serious challenge to the .375 H&H.

Monday morning quarterbacking again.....

I think that they should put an end to womens underwear too, but they won't and I will keep my 35 Whelen.

I own a 35 Whelen and a 338-06. I don't own a 9.3 and never will -- not a "slam," just don't need one. All these cartridges perform about the same on game, and none of them will ever be "popular" beyond a band of devoted followers for each. When I see a fan of one start "slaming" one of the other two cartridges, I find myself asking, "What's the point here?" As though convincing a half dozen Whelen fans, or 9.3 fans to switch to the other cartridge will creat a sudden surge in popularity. It's like bald men fighting over a comb.

It seems the mid-velocity, mid-bore crowd ought to be banding together and recognizing the commonality of what they shoot, versus tearing each other apart over difference that don't amount to a hill of beans.

Barstooler

Barstooler:

Well said... I am going to borrow that "bald men fighting over a comb" anology....

I liked that one....

cheers
seafire

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Inferior in every way to the 9.3 x 62, with 10% less powder capacity

Now, 500gn, that 10% difference in case capacity leads to about 18% difference in net (under bullet) case capacity, which in turn results in about a 4.5% decrease in fps, which in turn means a loss of a bit over 100 fps. Inferior, yes, but not markedly so, and the range of suitable bullets remains far better, from 110 gn pistol bullets for plinking through 310 gn Woodleighs for big game.

I must wonder, though, what the bullet selection was in the '20s. I'm not sure if the .35 WCF was still in production, giving a supply of 250 gn RN bullets. The 35's for the .35 Rem would have been too lightly constructed for the Whelen. The 33's would have been limited to the 200 gn FN jobs for the .33 WCF, so no wonder the .338-06 didn't arrive first.

Actually, Whelen wrote quite favorably about the 9x57, esp. the 280 gn loadings from the US. I don't know if he even knew of the 9.3x62. The .35 Whelen may have been meant to be more of an improvement to the old (and well respected) 9x57, rather than a step down from the .375 H&H.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Originally posted by LE270:
So why didn't the .358 Norma Mag. catch on?

It is arguably superior in every way to the .35 Whelen.

Had Norma bought that thing out for the .375 bullets I believe it would have succeeded big time. Further it would have given serious challenge to the .375 H&H.

Monday morning quarterbacking again.....

I believe you might be right. It would have been the .375 Taylor in legitimate form.
Paul B.

Oops. Some math errors on my part. I forgot to adjust the case capacity to the bore cross section. I also forgot the industry has set a slightly higher working pressure for the Whelen.

Cranking the numbers through ye olde Powley computer, one finds that for the same length barrel and for bullets of the same length and SD, the Whelen and the 9.3 have identical muzzle velocities. The Whelen, though, gets the job done with, proportionally, a bit less powder. Add to that the better selection of 35 caliber bullets, and one must conclude the 9.3x62 is a useless anachronism which should be dropped from all manufacturer's catalogs. So there.

(Actually, I haven't owned a repeater in years, so lets be rid of all them new fangled rimless atrocities -- long live the 9.3x74R!)

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Think about it, there was no internet, no television and even telephones were not in widespread use yet. I seriously doubt either one was aware of the other at the time. Even with our huge advances with communications today most shooters aren't aware of very many European cartridges on this side of the Atlantic.

Yes! We were still ruining bores over here long after RWS had discovered that it was the primers, not smokeless powder fouling, that was causing bore corrosion and had introduced the Sinoxid primers to solve the problem.

It took us 20 years before a parallel development occurred here, time that could have been saved if more Americans were reading German scinetific journals prior to WWII!

Here in Oz one has to consider each calibre choice very seriously as one has to work a lot harder to be permitted to obtain additional firearms. A centrefire rifle is a centrefire rifle as far as the legislators are concerned. What are different calibres needed for?

For instance I recently put in two "Permit to Aquire" forms for rifles in .223 Rem and 35 Whelan. These are to go along side the .243 VLS and .308 Ruger Stainless/Syn and of course a couple of .22LRs and shoties in my safe. On the form, (inside two lines), I had to nominate why I needed said calibres and what I intended to hunt with them. I have grave doubts about my 'PTA's being OKed as most of the adjudication is done clerical people who don't have any passion for firearms at all.

Whilst this debate is often coloured by ones personal views the fact remains that for my research into the medium bore calibres this forum has been invaluable.

Thankyou.

Steve

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what twist does REm use in the 7600 .35 W?

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Originally posted by vigillinus:
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what twist does REm use in the 7600 .35 W?

Remington uses a 1 in 16" twist.
Paul B.

Looking at the .35 Whelen from a historical standpoint the first Whelen cartridge was the .38 Whelen circa 1919-20 using the Winchester .38-72 bullet reformed. When Winchester stopped making these bullets Whelen brought out the .400 in 1922. This proved to large for North-American hunting so next was the .35 Whelen in 1923. It’s interesting to speculate that if Winchester had kept making the .38 bullets there would have been no .400 or .35 Whelen. Also keep in mind that the .38 Whelen was introduced before Remington or Winchester brought out a .30-06 bolt action rifle.

Mine works on game,that my .270 will not...

I have no dog in this fight, but I have to tell you guys that no 35 cal. round has ever been popular in the USA...they all failed and all were discontinued...Americans just never accepted the 35 guns...the 35 Rem came the closest to being acceptalbe but I think only those in the Blue States liked it, the rest of us used the M-94 30-30!

Ray I know what you say is on mark but if the
.350 Griffin & Howe cartridge was brought out in a rifle that was affordable it could make a come back dont you think? It was a good performer.Not a bad round...

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Originally posted by Barstooler:
I own a 35 Whelen and a 338-06. I don't own a 9.3 and never will -- not a "slam," just don't need one. All these cartridges perform about the same on game, and none of them will ever be "popular" beyond a band of devoted followers for each. When I see a fan of one start "slaming" one of the other two cartridges, I find myself asking, "What's the point here?" As though convincing a half dozen Whelen fans, or 9.3 fans to switch to the other cartridge will creat a sudden surge in popularity. It's like bald men fighting over a comb.

It seems the mid-velocity, mid-bore crowd ought to be banding together and recognizing the commonality of what they shoot, versus tearing each other apart over difference that don't amount to a hill of beans.

Barstooler

heavy weight for caliber and moderate velicity just needs the right bullet like nosparts or north forks to do the job. dead is dead if you are a meat hunter or a trophy hunter. some like the speed of a ferrari(ultra mags), some like the bruteness of a hummer(big bores) some like ford and chevy pick-ups(338-06, 35 whelen) some people like stiring the poop....you know who you are...for the whelens and the 338-06's of the world this is their porrage...not too hot, not too cold but just right!

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I have no dog in this fight, but I have to tell you guys that no 35 cal. round has ever been popular in the USA...they all failed and all were discontinued...Americans just never accepted the 35 guns...the 35 Rem came the closest to being acceptalbe but I think only those in the Blue States liked it, the rest of us used the M-94 30-30!

Ray, this is so true. The .358 calibers have been available in many shapes......35 Remington to .350 REm Mag to .358 Winchester to .35 Whelen to .358 Norma Mag to .358 STA and none of them impressed the shooting public much at all. They can't compete (either energywise or legally) with the .375 H&H on the DG side of things and their tradjectory does not compete with the popular deer hunting calibers such as the .308 Winchester.

The Whelen is sandwiched between such cartridges as the .338 Magnum and the .375 H&H and really has little room to carve out it's own territory.

Along with the several 8MM offerings that have died on the vine, the .35 Whelen just has never tripped my trigger. The .338-06 however has done so and will eventually be my "go to" plains game rifle.

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The .338-06 however has done so and will eventually be my "go to" plains game rifle.

glad to see vapo has shown his good taste once again

Bring back .35 Newton and get rid of ALL that medium bore crap! Hell, I will even give up my .375H&H.

The .35 Whelen works great on big stuff. I use 250 grain Noslers @ 2,525 fps and after two elk and two moose (one at 280 yard) I'm sold. When I head back to NW Montana next week I'm taking my favorite rifle..the Whelen. It's perfect for that spruce and fir jungle called the Bob Marshall Wilderness. Maybe when I die off it will too and you'all can bury both of us.
Rich Elliot