I've been looking at 3 different autoloading rifles for hunting high volumn hogs:

1. FN Herstal, FNAR .308

2. Browning, BAR 30-06, Safari or Longtrac

3. .300, .338 Whisper or .338 Federal AR-15

I'm leaning towards the 30-06, just because I like the large variety of easily available ammunition & perhaps use the heavy 220 gr to really knock them down.

All ideas & suggestions are welcomed.

Whats wrong with the Mini or an AR 15?

J,

High volume Hogs?

Where you gonna hunt around San Antonio where your going to get off more than 3 to 5 rounds at hogs.
My experience, ya' get a bunch of hogs under a feeder, you get one, maybe two shots and their gone. Best line em up and try to drill two or three with one shot.

Catch them in a pen and then you can use whatever you want and take your time doing it.

having said that, the Browning BAR will probably be your most economical choice. You can pick them up on gunbroker or at a pawnshop for the price of an std.223 upper. Lots of 30-06's and 300 win mags in that rifle.
I would think you start talking "whispers" you are looking at serious dinero.
I've been looking to do an suppressed 300 whisper for my "posse" lower. Figure it will cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $3k by the time its all said and paid for and legal.
GWB

Socom 308

FN would be my choice. I have shot one with good results, ergonomics are great and it has a built in rail system for a light. Lots of good ammo available out there.

Perry

FN/FAL hands down.

If you are interested, I know where a Mint Remington Woodmaster .30-06 is up for sale. My FFL has MS and is selling his rifles. He bought it new years ago, maybe 50 rounds down the barrel. It is topped w/ a Colorado made Redfield 3-9 wideview.
$550.00 includes scope. The whole rig looks new. It was his Deer rifle.

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Browning, BAR 30-06, Safari or Longtrac

Camo-Man,

For Drive Hunting here in Europe where multiple shot opportunites may occur the Browning Longtrac is pretty popular, especially since they've seen to market the 9.3x62 in the European versions (not offered on the Stateside Bronwing website). As a cartridge a real combat-multipler when you're in among 'em; 'cept you're most probably not gonna get that hard to find brass back - so .30/06 Sprg. is looking right smart for that arguement.

For those with a real penchant for the ultimate multiple engagdement encounter artillery-piece there's a Kalashnikov variant available here in Europe in 9.3x64; but that expensive and oddball sized ammo plus the fact the Variant probably doesn't meet US import rules (Dunno?) May automatically opt than option out.

All things considered; since as you state a .30/06 Sprg. with 180, 200 or 220 gr. RN's (180 gr. Hornady RN's spring to mind) is definately a Porchop-enabled cartridge/rifle combo that is about as easy as it gets to feed (with ammo); why not a simple Remington Semi-Auto?

The Remington series in about all of it's various stages of Morph (some apprently better than others) are pretty much a dime-a-dozen in the States.

If it was me the Carbine version in .30/06 Sprg. ought to be about as right to perfect for multiple Pig shots as it gets (like "W" above says; though if the opportunity presents itself).

Opions vary.

Have fun with your choice!

BAR --
the FN CAN have issues ... 308 commerical vs nato...

but, the REAL answer is NO ONE THE ABOVE

remington r25, in 308.

We hunt whitetails in the brush. Fast running shots are not uncommon.
I have a Pre long trac syn BAR in 308. It's got a 20" barrel. I've got a 1-3 weaver on top with see through mounts and on the barrel I've got William Firesites. It shoots 1" at 100 with many ammo's. I LOVE THE GUN!!
I would think with some ttsx's or nosler etip 2nds you could really tear em upl

GW...I know you're curious, where are the "High Volumn" hogs? I'm looking hard for a hog infested ranch to get serious about piling them up & currently networking w/ south texas ranchers for predator control.

Perry: I'm going to try a FNAR this weekend at, "A place to shoot" range, just to satisfy my curiosity. They are on sale for $1299.

Jeffe: I forgot about the R-25, I've got to look into that as well.

Snell: Had the mini for years, I want new blood.

Gerry: Interesting contrast from Europe, glad to hear it & wished I could get my hands on those unique guns, however not practical.
(Kind of like buying a .600 OVERKILL for pig hunting!)

The AR-15: is last choice; mainly because of the 3 to 9 month waiting list, hard to find ammo & I'm not concerned about "Cool Factor".

The BAR: is top choice so far; I've been reading that the FNAR is based on the same action.

Anyone w/ 30-06... 200, 210 or 220 grain experience?

Thanks for the wealth of feedback, keep 'em coming...

BTW: 220 gr Rem Core-Lokt...$17.01/box! CHEAP!!!

You should be able to find an AR in .223 or 6.8 SPC without that long a wait. Might be a lighter option than the .308-type semiautos, or so I understand.

I think from phone call to in my hands with my 6.8 was Tuesday to Thursday.

Call me old fashioned, but I be lookin' for a M1A or its more modern counterpart, the AR 10. You don't need a worn out match rifle to kill hogs. It wouldn't be my personal choice, but on a tight budget any old 7.62X39 variant ought to kill hogs too.

I own a Browning BAR in .270 and when hogs are anticipated I like to carry it for all of the obvious reasons.

I have also been considering rigging a "dedicated" hog eliminator. Ideally, it would have relatively low recoil for quick follow up shots, a magazine capcity of more than the five available in the BAR, be short enough to point and swing quickly, and accurate enough for the 200+ yard shots I sometimes encounter on "singletons". And be capable of mounting with a low-mounted, low-power variable scope.

The .308 may have a bit more recoil than desirable, and the .223 is a little weak for bigger hogs and longer shots, so something more like the .243 seems appropriate. The BAR is a great gun, but lacks magazine capacity and is rather long. Bottom line is I'm considering a Remington R-25 in .243. The first thing that would have to happen is to fix the trigger, but I understand good aftermarket triggers are available. I'm still dwelling on the question and will be interested in what CamoMan selects.

I'm suprised no one mentioned the Benelli R-1 in .30-06 or .308 with it's carbine barrel option.

I have a Remington 7400 in 30-06 topped with a 2x7 Mueller multishot scope. This scope has a very easy to see thick reticle and it also has a illuminated dot. This rifle functions perfectly, gives me no trouble with reloads and shoots my favorite hog load into just over an inch at 100 yards. It is also PLENTY for feral hogs.

Any decent quality semi-auto should suffice. I personally like ARs, FALs and would like to have a 308 R25.

I would use my SKS or my dads 760 in 300 Savage. When we were both alot younger I watched him shoot two pack dogs on the run at 150-200 yds.

BAR or Remington .308 Winchester. Thicker cartridge rim designed for autoloaders and shorter case.

However, with that said I'm going to an AR15 chambered 25 wssm.

CamomanJ,


Perhaps I need to loan you my M1A for a hunt. We can sight in that night vision scope I showed you the other day. That rifle sports a 1-11 twist that is great with 180s and if you can find 220s it should work too.

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Originally posted by buckshot:
on a tight budget any old 7.62X39 variant ought to kill hogs too.

What are you going to do with the hogs ? If you want to sell them to a chiller then head shots are the go, otherwise the above advice is #1. They aren't bullet proof.

An ArmaLite AR-10 chambered in 308 pushing Barnes TSX's for the possible follow up shot.
The triggers are 2 stage & don't need replacement.
The magazine system uses M14/M-1A mags not some cheap plastic or flimsy steel chinese junk.

If you opt for an M-1A with heavy projectile hand loads-vent the gas system or stock up on OP rods.

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The R-25 & AR-10 in .308 has risen to the top of my choices overnight. However, I did discover that on GunsAmerica that I could get 20rd mags for the BAR. In terms of reliabilty & the ease of cleaning; the AR-10 & R-25, based on my research, seems to be the better choice.

Squatch: Bring that M1A next time, forgot you had one. I need to make the trip to Shooter's Depot, suppressor talk for this "pig gun".

My Hog shots are EYE shots, DRT, in fact I like to shoot everything in the eye, except for Trophy bucks. I will eat some & donate some to the Hunters for the Hungry program...

Remington 7400 or whatever its called these days in 35 Whelen.

What you need is a AR10t custom built at the Factory with 16 inch barrel match trigger Leupold Mark 4 mid range scope and a very good titanium suppressor GG&G bi pod that what I use gives a whole new meaning to pig hunting, and a surefire flashlight system and if you must hunt at night and Elcan night-vision system they don't know where the shots are comming from and they freeze for a little while.

You need an AR with a suppressor and 3rd gen night vision. A very common rig here where I live.

Well folks...I jumped onto a Remington R-25 in .308 that was on sale at Cabela's. I also took advantage of $389 worth of credit & rewards cash, so I did it.

Next step is definitely getting the paperwork started for obtaining a suppressor.

Any .308 ammo suggestions that would slaughter pigs? 180, 190 or 200 grainers? I also like the $17 price for Remington 180 Core-Lokts, can't beat that!

Thanks again guys.

J
180s are going to give you the best bang on the far end .. at say under 100-200 yards .. that's really a heavy long bullet for that caliber .. whip up some 150gr hand loads with the cheapest bullets you can find and fire about 50 of them to have some break in ammo for your gun. then try some factory ammo ... then duplicate with reloads

All you're buying with 180's is more recoil and less velocity. 150's will give you plenty of penetration, better trajectory on longer shots, and less recoil. Pigs just aren't that hard to kill, and chances are that if you come across a really big one at a disadvantageous angle, the 180 won't come any closer to reaching the vitals than the 150.

As I said earlier, the R-25 in .243 using 100 grainers would let you recover from recoil more quickly and will kill 99.8% of the pigs that the .308 will.

Stonecreek .. i disagree with you that a 180 won't penetrate are well as a 150 ..

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Originally posted by CamoManJ:
Well folks...I jumped onto a Remington R-25 in .308 that was on sale at Cabela's. I also took advantage of $389 worth of credit & rewards cash, so I did it.

Next step is definitely getting the paperwork started for obtaining a suppressor.

Any .308 ammo suggestions that would slaughter pigs? 180, 190 or 200 grainers? I also like the $17 price for Remington 180 Core-Lokts, can't beat that!

Thanks again guys.

I use an Armalite AR-10, .308cal. I use 150 grain's, usually Winchester Powermax or power points. There's no reason to use premium ammo. These bullets work fine and don't ruin too much meat.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Stonecreek .. i disagree with you that a 180 won't penetrate are well as a 150 ..

I didn't say it wouldn't penetrate as well, just that it is not likely to penetrate enough better to make a difference in many, if any, instances.

But let's say that it does make a difference in 5 in 1,000 hogs. So, five out of a thousand shot with a 150 run off to die somewhere else (arguably a good thing ), and that same five out of one thousand shot with a 180 die right there (not always such a good thing )

Merkel SR1 in 9.3 x 62

Just how big are the hogs you are shooting?

Since pigs aren't hard to kill, what about using low-cost FMJ milsurps in a AR10/R25/FAL? Anyone use them?

6.8spc!!!!!! Love AR-10 but most are really heavy. 6.8 has 110gr TSX and 110gr Accubonds that perform very well on deer and hogs. Barnes has a newer 85gr TSX but I have no experience w. it.

I also have had very good experiences w. 25wssm but that was in a bolt gun (Browning A-Bolt Medallion).

Love the 6.8!!!!!!!!!! BTW upper fits standard 5.56 lowers. Just make sure to get a SPCII or a DMR chamber. SAMMI chamber is very weak --