Hot Whore some of us are at least smart enough to not hotrod old Mausers.
But that makes no difference to you does it? not when you can try to slither your way into a sarcastic comment to try and alleviate some of your inferiority complex, feel better now?

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Originally posted by bucko:
...some of us are at least smart enough to not hotrod old Mausers....

Interesting that bucko says that "now". From his previous posts, it makes it appear a person does not know what he is doing unless he has a 165gr Bullet in a 30-06 running better than 3000fps.

And of course, there are lots and lots of other rifles that would also be a bad choice to expose them to the Pressure required to reach 3000fps with ANY Powder and a 165gr Bullet. That is "WHY" there were so many folks mentioning it might not be a good idea to say it is possible - in a blanket statement.

Since bucko is such a great and knowledgeable expert on this subject, it would be enlightening to see him list all the rifles that should not be taken to 3000fps with a 165gr bullet.

Perhaps allan will help his close and personal buddy.
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I am a bit shocked bucko's normal string of vulgarity is not present. Had no idea he was able to think in a civil way, huuumm.. had no idea he was able to think.

Who posting here has had a gun blow-up because of metal fatigue? If so, please explain how that you know the cause was exactly metal fatigue. Regards, AIU

hot whore you are such a dink.

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Originally posted by Ackley Improved User:
Who posting here has had a gun blow-up because of metal fatigue? ...

This is an excellent question that hopefully no one has had a bad experience with. Of course there is always the link I provided, but I can see where that would not be sufficent enough to grasp the concept that Bolts can let go.

And I can see where the Bolt smacking someone in the head could be what happened to bucko.
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Speaking of our resident blowhard loud-mouth experts, allan and bucko, neither gave us a list of rifles that might not be able to handle the Pressure of a 3000fps 165gr Load.

I wonder why they would not share their HUGE amount of first-hand experience, knowledge and educated thoughts with us and answer such a simple question????!!?!?!?!?
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Let's simplify it for allan and bucko, would the 3000fps 165gr Load be SAFE in GrayDuck's rifle, as you loud-mouth blowhards imply?

Well I do not remember him ever telling us what make of rifle he has.
However that really does not matter as there is something that we each have to assume when we begin to shoot guns or reload ammo.
It is called personal responsibility.

I will say however that I personally have no problem with shooting these loads out of my Ruger , Remington, and even my Winchester 06's.
Have been doing it for years, with no mishaps and even getting decent brass life.
No blown primers, no sticky bolt lift, no cumulative metal fatigue blowups.

How about that global warming HC? got anything for us on that?

Naw Lunko/Bunko must be a Baptist that they held under just not quite long enough. I have seen a few blown up rifles and it seems all were victims of using the wrong powder accidently not metal fatigue. I say your brass will fail generally before your action.

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Originally posted by bucko:
Well I do not remember him ever telling us what make of rifle he has....

That is the point you should have realized prior to blow-harding about 3000fps with the 165gr bullet. GrayDuck's rifle might or might not be able to handle those Pressures.

I remember similar totally ignorant and nonsensical words - "However that really does not matter as there is something that we each have to assume when we begin to shoot guns or reload ammo. It is called personal responsibility." - when a fool was caught on the old "Shooters" Board mentioning loads he claimed were 100kpsi.

GrayDuck seems to want to get into Reloading, but comments which are misleading at best and dangerous at worst can't help him or any of the Beginners that want to remain at a SAFE Pressure Level.

Can't help you on the Global Warming.

Well then perhaps he might be so kind as to inform us as to what make of rifle he has.

It is exactly these kinds of conversations that educate new reloaders.
However I would bet a dollar to a donut that he has at least done enough research into reloading to realize that there are older rifles that should not be run at max.

What about it Greyduck?

My 30-06 does about 2790 with a 165. I can get 2950 with a 160 grain GS Custom though.

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Originally posted by bucko:
...It is exactly these kinds of conversations that educate new reloaders. ...

Completely agree, but I really do prefer to do it in a civil manner.

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Originally posted by bucko:

It is exactly these kinds of conversations that educate new reloaders.

Sho' do! And one of the things it teaches them is that there are some real dumb asses on the net whose info is best ignored.

The original question was can 3000fps be achieved with a 165gr bullet from a 30-06 w/0 excessive pressure? The key word here is "excessive". One man's minor pressure signs is another man's red line. Several posters with a respected history of posting good info said yes you can. And several posters, also with good creds, said 2800fps is so easy, why bother with the extra 200fps when it brings so little to the table with regards to energy and trajectory. So I think the guy got some good info from both sides.
I guess I started this firestorm as when Bucko assumed that everyone that posted only hunted back east --at backyard distances-- as he posted something to the effect that if we were to come out west and shoot at a mulie acrost a canyon at some unknown distance, the extra velocity would be "just enough". My reply was that whether you hunted east or west, that was called a "poke and hope" shot. That sent him off on his FIRST obscene rant of name calling and proclaiming that he was one of the better long range game killers in America.
And then the rest of you took turns poking at him to watch his face turn really, really red and that blood vessel in his forehead twitch back and forth. But you finally got him to say something that made sense. I'm proud of all of you.

As it also shows us that you are still a little twit of a thing.

At the risk of repeating myself.
1, yes it is possible and safe to do so.
2, yes 200 fps makes a significant difference if a person is capable of utilizing the extra horsepower.
You obviously are not, so no you do not need it.
3, you need to change your name just a tad love, stilltryingtobeaman would fit you much closer my dear.

I'll bet that blood vessel is twitching like a worm on a hot skillet.

In another thread you posted that you had a Weatherby (one assumes a hunting rifle since that's all that Weatherby makes) with a factory trigger set at 1#. That also tells a lot about what a dumb ass your are. Does your Mommy know you're playing with her 'puter?

Why is that you little putz of a fella?
I have it, I have checked it and it is at 1#. it of course has been adjusted before I got it but it is a factory stock trigger unit.

Why are you such a vile turd? You truly don't know shit about what you are talking about.
You are not sitting on your ass in the gun store with your fellow idiots, your shit don't sell well here in the real world.

Okay, I'm tired of poking fun at him. Anybody else want a go or shall we just send him back to his village?

GrayDuck-

Some recommended reading-

"Firearms Pressure Factors" by Lloyd E. Brownell. This was and my still be available from Wolfe Publishing.

It is a laboratory-based analysis of all the variables involved and is very thorough-going.
Clears a lot of fog. Try to find a copy.

RG

Have a nice day girls.

Why don't you just shoot 150 gr barnes triple shocks?

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Originally posted by D Humbarger:
Why don't you just shoot 150 gr barnes triple shocks?

While that is a capital Idea we'll just argue whether it will go 3,200 FPS instead.....

Why hell yes they will and then some...

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While that is a capital Idea we'll just argue whether it will go 3,200 FPS instead.....

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by RG Rhodes:
GrayDuck-

Some recommended reading-

"Firearms Pressure Factors" by Lloyd E. Brownell. This was and my still be available from Wolfe Publishing.

It is a laboratory-based analysis of all the variables involved and is very thorough-going.
Clears a lot of fog. Try to find a copy.

RG

Thanks, I'll try to find a copy.

I didn't mean to start such a firestorm. I don't own a 30-06. I was debating between it and a 270 Win and fell into what is probably a common trap and started looking at a bunch of load data on the internet. While doing so found some data indicating 3000 fps was possible with 165 grainers. It seemed a little high so I decided to ask the question to see what many of the experience AR members thought.

In the mean time, I settled on the 270 Win and love it so far. It's more pleasant to shoot than my old No.1 standard in 243. I guess the true test will be in a couple weeks when it goes antelope hunting with me.

Again, didn't mean to get so many people fired up.

GD, don't apologize, we live for this shit. . You shoulda got you a .280 instead of that POS .270.

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.....You shoulda got you a .280 instead of that POS .270.

A 280 was my first choice but I went with the 270 because I really wanted a Kimber. Looked at the Cooper repeaters too which come in 280 but decided not to spend the cash just yet.

I'll save the 280 for when I start reloading.

As Elmer said l-o-n-g ago, "The 270Win makes a darned adequate Coyote rifle!", or words to that effect.

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
As Elmer said l-o-n-g ago, "The 270Win makes a darned adequate Coyote rifle!", or words to that effect.

That's because old Elmer never had anyone shooting one of those dern things at him....he'd have changed his tune if it had!