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After reading many fine post of you all here on this forum, it apears to me that european and british sportingrifle cartridges are getting a second life these years after many years in the closet. It could be interesting to hear/see how many has what?. I started out many years ago only to shoot american calibers(having over 35 winchersters lever actions + some bolts)..but now i only have one rifle left ..a pre-64 winnie custom in .270weatherby. The rest is 8x57 mausers, 300 H&H, 333 Jeffery and a .416 Rigby. Oh..I forgot a modified lever action win1895 in 45-100. DRSS: HQ Scandinavia. Chapters in Sweden & Norway | ||
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Well I screwed that vote up. After I voted that I shoot only American calibers I realized that one of my favourites is my #1 Ruger in .416 Rigby. Sorry for my tempory mental unstability, if that is a word.  Good shooting.phurley | |||
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hahaha..all is forgiven  DRSS: HQ Scandinavia. Chapters in Sweden & Norway | |||
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I shoot the 7X57 and the 6.5X57. Would like some more of the euro stuff. 8X57 , and a 9.3X62 or X74 would be real cool ! I have a bunch of american stuff. ...tj3006 freedom1st | |||
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I mostly shot "American" for the majority of my life ( 30/06, 30/30, 32, 300 Weatherby, 22/250, .284 ) but about 6 years ago I got a 375 h&h, then a couple of 6.5 Swede's and now a 9.3x62. | |||
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I currently have: 257AI, 308 Win, 300 WSM, 338 Win, 9.3x64 Bren & soon a 416 Rigby. | |||
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The 7x57 is the staple in my family, but we all have other rifles in American chamberings too. Don | |||
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I've shot the 6,5x55, 7x57,7x64, 8x57 and 9,3x57, but the current stable is only running americans at this point. It will most likely change, just give it a chance. | |||
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While most of my rifles are of American design I do have 6.5 X 55, 7 X 57, 8 X 57, 9.3 X 62, 300 H&H, .375 H&H, and .404 Jeffery. No anti European bones here! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Jens, I own several metric and British calibers: 7.62x54r .303 British 6.5x55 8x57JS I also have a 7x57 and 8x68s that need to be finished. I'm waiting on a friend of mine to get his FFL so I can be his first customer and hire him to finish them. Jason "Chance favors the prepared mind." | |||
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 About 50% of the rifles I now own shoot Euro or Brit cartridges. This ,however does not tell the whole story.If it were based on good cartridge designing only, my off shore percentage would be much higher. Age , recoil,cost factors, style of shooting and rifle & component availability are also major desiding factors. Case in point; the .223 could have been designed a little better ( like the .222) but it is here , accurate low recoil rifles for it can be had, compenents for it have been abundant, quality produced & priced fairly. European cartridge design efforts to enter this portion of the market have been shallow at best. Although the marketing hyped new cartridges in the USA offerings bring little to the table, their influence on sales at least in the short haul has reached fair proportions. This of course also affects the Euro to US ratio.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Finally found someone who agrees with me on the .223  . Why didn't they just use the much better designed triple deuce (one of my all time favorites)?? I even got to pick on the Colt engineering liason back in '67 when he was visiting an organizational Maint. officer course I was attending @ Ft Knox. He agreed, but said he & the rest of the AR-15 engineers on the govt contract were given no input on the design. They were having some feed & extraction problems at that point, along with occasional pressure spikes rendering the guns useless in combat. They pretty much got the problems worked out.. eventually, but I think they would hav been more manageable with a better designed round. "You can lead a horticulture, ... but you can't make 'er think" Florida Gardener | |||
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I guess I'm the only one strickly using metric cartridges. The current stable is a 7x64, an 8x60S and two 9.3x62's. | |||
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I have these: .223 rem.,270 win., 30/06,7.62X54R, 8X57 and a 35 whelen. Straight shootin to ya | |||
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22-250 270 win 338-06 348 Win 416 Rigby | |||
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I'm a yakee doodle dandy....22.250 .243 .270 | |||
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Yankee, Jeesh. | |||
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I can't think of an American cartridge that is not a poor substitute for a German or British cartridge. | |||
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I have only Mausers, so it's obvious: 1909, 6.5x55 1909, 7x57 1909, 7.65x53 Vz24, 8x57 Really, I keep racking my brain for variety. But I'm having trouble finding anything better than the 6.5. flaco | |||
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And I can't think of a Euro cartridge that is not a poor sub for the 30-06.  Semper Fi WE BAND OF BUBBAS STC Hunting Club | |||
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The 30-06 is truely an epic hunting cartridge. The 8 x 57mm fills the same nitch. The fact is though, the 06 was designed as a military cartridge. We probably should have copied one of the existing by 57mm catridges. Had the Garand been chambered for the original intended cartridge for all we know the 30-06 might be in the same demand as the .280 is today. Better still we could have saved a lot of brass, black walnut, steel, powder,copper, lead and aching muscles if we had copied someting like the 6.5 Carcano with a 115gr. bullet. We,d be using it today and be millions ahead. Thank you Dugout Doug, or was it "Cop Out" Doug?  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Interesting viewpoint; obviously intended to generate discussion I love the European cartridges; esp. the 8X57, the old 9.3X72R & many of the single shot rounds. That said, I can't think of a single German or British cartridge that can't be adequately replaced by an American cartridge (factory or wildcat) ."You can lead a horticulture, ... but you can't make 'er think" Florida Gardener | |||
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Brayhaven, there is not much to bridge the gap between 35 Whelen and 416 Remington invented here in factory. The 9,3x62 may be the best Euro invader since the Beatles! Rich DRSS | |||
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Very true.( almost). Nor is there a single US cartridge whose performance can't be duplicated by an off shore cartridge. I'm talking actual field performance and not just numbers on paper. rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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I have a .375 H&H (British) and a 7 x 57 (German). The rest are American. "How's that whole 'hopey-changey' thing working out for ya?" | |||
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At present: .22 Long Rifle .22 Magnum .243 6.5X54 MS .270 .30-06 Gap to be filled .375 H&H 9.3X74R on order | |||
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Hmmm. Is it a European round because it ORiGINATED there? How long do American factories have to make guns & ammo for a caliber for it to no longer be European? The 7X57mm, .300 and .375 H&H, and .416 Rigby come to mind. In addition, there are some, such as the 6mm Remington and the .280 Remington, for which there are almost exact duplicates that originated in Europe (the 6X57mm Mauser and the 7X64) many years before the U.S. copies. "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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7.62 7x57 375 h&h 404 jeffery 461 rigby 300 h&h 400 H&h in the making | |||
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I won a 9.3x62 and a .404 J the rest are American rounds. | |||
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Maybe on the military rounds and up, but the US owns the varmint rounds. I cant think of any Euro 22's, except the metric version of the Savage round. Who invented the 22 long rifle? Jason | |||
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I can`t either except for the 5.6 x 61 Vom hofe , 5.6 x57 , 5.6 x51 which all comes in rimmmed version too. The europeans have never had the termonology such as "varmintcartridge" in their lineup. Perhaps things are seen differently overhere?? DRSS: HQ Scandinavia. Chapters in Sweden & Norway | |||
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Aaahh! The 5.6x57, a 7x57 necked down to .224. With a very thick case. It's equal to the 220 Swift. With 7x57 brass or similar it'll beat it soundly. Think of the 224 Clark. It'll do 4300 fps with a 55 grn pill. 4000 fps with a 63 grn pill. | |||
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I shoot 4 different Euro Calibers, and wish I had a good rifle in the 303, but I am not interested in an Enfield Mark 4... I'd love an Enfield Pattern 14 tho! Instead of singing the virtues of Euro calibers... the best thing I can say for something Euro over Something American.. is that I just LOVE MAUSERS!!!! | |||
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303 Brittish 375 Holland & Holland Next one I would love to get is the 8x68S or bigger the 458 Lott. That will put me in another category. Frederik Cocquyt I always try to use enough gun but then sometimes a brainshot works just as good. | |||
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350 Rigby and 500 Jeffrey. Though my 350 rem mag now sees the bulk of hunting duty. __________________________________________________ The AR series of rounds, ridding the world of 7mm rem mags, one gun at a time. | |||
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I have a 6.5x55, 7x57, 303 and 762x54. And then a ton of American stuff.  My go anywhere kill everything gun is a 45-70. Can't get more American than that. | |||
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I have rifles chambered in 7X57, .300 H&H, 8X57, 9.3X62, .375 H&H, and .404 Jeffery; but the majority of my rifles are chambered in American cartridges. TreeFarmer NRA Life Member Moderation in the pursuit of decadence is no virture. | |||
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I have rifles in 6.5x55, 7x57, 8x57, 9.3x57, 9.3x62, 7.62x39, 7.62x54R, 8x56R, 8x68, 8x60, 7.65x53, 7.62x51R, and .416 Rigby. I like em all.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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I have rifles in these cal 6.5X55 7X57 8X57 9X57 9.3X57 93.X62 10.75X57 416 Rigby 6.5X53R AND 6.5X54MS | |||
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European/British Calibers 9.3x62 7x57 375 H&H American Calibers 300 wby 30-30 270 25-06 243 22-250 Huh, Looking at this list, I guess I don't have too many gaps. Doesn't mean I won't still try to fill those nonexistant gaps though  Lance Lance Larson Studio lancelarsonstudio.com | |||
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