I'm bored and thought I'd share what might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard about shooting:

I'm at a bbq a while back, just shooting the breeze with no one in particular, when this 3rd guy interjects that "if you're shooting a really long ways, like between ridges over a ravine or canyon, then the wind actually blows the bullet 'up' as it goes over the valley."

He was comparing this to thermals that hawks and whatnot would ride. I'm familiar with that, of course, but a bullet? That'd have to be one hell of a thermal.

I've known this person for a while, and he's the kind that is always telling some glory story from his past, where he's either the expert or the hero. So at this point I just smile to myself and pretend I never heard him.

Sheesh, what an Einstein!

What's the dumbest thing you've heard?

friar

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What's the dumbest thing you've heard?

Friar....spend a few minutes on the ARPF.....

Vapo, I had to stop and think twice about what the ARPF was...

Don't remember when my last post in the PF was, but I think I wrote off that Charlie Foxtrot in 06 or 07!

Entertaining, though, in a way.

friar

Well, I didn't actually "hear" it but read it on a different forum I was looking at. Over on long range hunting.

Apparently there are some hunters and guides/outfitters who truly believe there is taboo with a 7mm bullet and that this diameter has some inherent flaw and is #1 in losing game.

It seem one of the mechanics at the shop can only shoot deer at over 700 yards!!!. Lasy year he killed 2 w/ one shot at 750 !!!! I don't know why you guys need all this fancy gear he does it w/ a Parker-Hale 7mm Rem mag w/ a Charles Daly scope and Remington Cor-Locts. He drives me insane because he knows I am into rifles,reloading,etc and feels he needs to share these "hunting stories" w/ me.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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What's the dumbest thing you've heard?

Friar....spend a few minutes on the ARPF.....

That's why we left 4½ years ago.

Despite our detractors, we'll celebrate our fifth anniversary next spring.

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Originally posted by cobra:

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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What's the dumbest thing you've heard?

Friar....spend a few minutes on the ARPF.....

That's why we left 4½ years ago.

Despite our detractors, we'll celebrate our fifth anniversary next spring.

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Originally posted by K20350:
It seem one of the mechanics at the shop can only shoot deer at over 700 yards!!!. Lasy year he killed 2 w/ one shot at 750 !!!! I don't know why you guys need all this fancy gear he does it w/ a Parker-Hale 7mm Rem mag w/ a Charles Daly scope and Remington Cor-Locts. He drives me insane because he knows I am into rifles,reloading,etc and feels he needs to share these "hunting stories" w/ me.

I had a guy I knew in northern Alberta a few years back bragging about his Sako 7mm Rem. Mag. and how it never dropped an inch out to 500 yards.

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Originally posted by friarmeier:
I'm bored and thought I'd share what might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard about shooting:

I'm at a bbq a while back, just shooting the breeze with no one in particular, when this 3rd guy interjects that "if you're shooting a really long ways, like between ridges over a ravine or canyon, then the wind actually blows the bullet 'up' as it goes over the valley."

He was comparing this to thermals that hawks and whatnot would ride. I'm familiar with that, of course, but a bullet? That'd have to be one hell of a thermal.

I've known this person for a while, and he's the kind that is always telling some glory story from his past, where he's either the expert or the hero. So at this point I just smile to myself and pretend I never heard him.

Sheesh, what an Einstein!

What's the dumbest thing you've heard?

friar

There is actualy some truth to what he said. If for instnce you are shooting into a head wind that crosse a ridge and then goes upward as in an updraft, then yes then wind prevents the bullet from dropping as much as normal. Much like a side wind that pushes a bullet over

I heard a guy in a gun shop bragging about his brother/brother-in-law/whatever making a 3,000 yard shot W/a 7mm "ought-8".

It's a magnum you know, 2 times as powerful as an "ought-6".

I once heard a clerk in a big box sporting goods store explain to a customer who was looking for 6mm Remington ammo that he could shoot .243 in it because they were both 6mm. It was apparent to me that neither really knew enough to be doing what they were doing.

LWD

Several years later I was in the same big box sporting goods store looking at Stevens 200s that they had on sale. I asked a clerk if the tan stocked guns were Stevens 200s, and he said yes. I asked about the one in front, and he said it was a 7mm-06. I asked him if it could be a 7mm-08 and he allowed as how it could be. I could see that the second gun was a long action so I asked what it was. He said it was a .270 Winchester. Then without any question form me he began explaining to me that the 7mm-ought-”O”8 was a pretty small gun and that I would need to be very careful with it. I would have to be very careful with shot placement; anything less than a perfect shot would cause me to lose the animal. On the other hand, the .270 Winchester was powerful enough “for anything.”

Hmmmm. Yes, okay. Glad to know that. Guess that makes my .243 too small for anything and my .30-06 a veritable bazooka........

LWD

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Hey, you're ruining my predetermined opinion of this guy!

Maybe I should take Luther's explanation of the 8th commandment to heart, then, and allow that perhaps this is what he meant when he said a bullet would go up.

friar

p.s. nice sig line Jwp!

Several years ago, I heard a customer in a big box store ask the clerk in the guns department if the Model 94 Winchester (lever action) that he was looking at was "semi or full automatic."

The clerk replied "I don't know, I'll ask my supervisor."

I do love to hear all the B.S. stories from the "shop" hunt masters. I liked the one above "2 deer at 750 yards". I think I might fly the "BS" flag on that one. The dumbest thing I ever heard is actually something I didn't hear but rather participated in! I must put in at least 20 to 30 range hours in a month in preparation to whatever local or not to far away matches may be pending. With that and about 35 years under my belt, one would think that bagging a deer in the wide open at 50 yards would be a snap. Over 25 or 30 years of hunting, I have missed more deer at ranges of 35 to 50 yards than I care to talk about. So for me, I better see a lot of deer or I'm going home with a big fat skunk. And I have several times. So the for the dumbest thing I have ever heard, was the story about this guy doing the same thing. The joke is that the story was only returning back to me...

A few years back I was in a local Cabelas and found a nice solid rib M-12 for a price well below where it should have been. So I snatched it up and went to find the Leupold dual dovetails I needed for a scope I was mounting on a Howa. When I got back to the counter and chased off the two other guys trying to buy my shotgun the FNG behind the counter was obviously having a huge amount of trouble with the paperwork. His punishment for making me wait so long was that I asked him if the rings would fit the M-12. He looked at the rings. He looked at the shotgun. He looked at the rings again. He looked at the shotgun again. Then he said I don't know I'll ask. So he goes in the back with the shotgun and the rings. A few minutes later another guy comes out with my shotgun and rings and FNG. FNG points at me who is doing a very poor job of trying to keep a straight face.

What the OP related is true. On one of the wesites, Long Range hunting or something, I read that very thing.....shooting across canyons one must allow for possible wind coming up, depending on wind direction.

A guy wanted me to load some .243 ammo that wouldn't go all the way through the deer. He didn't like ammo punching all the way through because it damaged too much meat.

And also, I hear it all the time, how the bullet rises when it first exits the barrel and then, after some distance, begins to fall. (They aren't talking about the bullet trajectory being above line of sight--they actually believe the bullet literally rises.)

A poster on another forum contendsthat, within a given chambering, heavier bullets are always less accurate than lighter bullets.. In other words, in a 30-06, a 150 grain bullet will always be more accurate than a 180 grain bullet..

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Originally posted by Pygmy:
A poster on another forum contendsthat, within a given chambering, heavier bullets are always less accurate than lighter bullets.. In other words, in a 30-06, a 150 grain bullet will always be more accurate than a 180 grain bullet..

LOL! My .308 is like that. My 7mm Mag (which I guess is a bad cart now?) likes heavier bullets, but shoots them all well.

But I guess it is that 7mm flaw again.

I have had the same conversation on the range a few times. Now I just walk away.

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And also, I hear it all the time, how the bullet rises when it first exits the barrel and then, after some distance, begins to fall. (They aren't talking about the bullet trajectory being above line of sight--they actually believe the bullet literally rises.)

That is because of the tables published on the side of the ammo boxes. Many old deer hunters told me that growing up. The guys who never shot their rifle outside of season for 30 years or so.

One friend told me that an M16 shot bullets so fast that if one hit you hand it would probably take your whole arm off.

Another friend used to have a 25/06 from which bullets went speeding downrange at 4,200 fps.

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Another friend used to have a 25/06 from which bullets went speeding downrange at 4,200 fps.

Probably an "AI"....as long as we're speaking of such things.....

A fellow officer once told me the 380acp is just 9mm luger short and they can be interchanged like a 38 spl and 357 mag.

Or my bow is so fast that it is dead on out to 60 yards no drop what so ever.

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Originally posted by Doc:
Well, I didn't actually "hear" it but read it on a different forum I was looking at. Over on long range hunting.

Apparently there are some hunters and guides/outfitters who truly believe there is taboo with a 7mm bullet and that this diameter has some inherent flaw and is #1 in losing game.

ive heard that several times from a couple of different hunters and for a long time somwhat believed it. i still believe it but not because there is something wrong with the bullet but something wrong with the people who buy them. seems that alot of people just want to get a gun to go shoot/hunt with and they know of 2 guns a 30-06 or they can get the bad to the bone 7 mag. they they take them out there with the cheapest box of bullets they can buy and shoot at a paper plate at 50 yards and if they hit the plate then its good enough to hunt with since a deer is bigger than that play ya know. they they think since they got that big bad 7 mag they can kill deer at 1000 yds and they start shooting.

Back in the sixties when satellites were first becoming the news rage, the Rochester Post Bulletin (Rochester Minnesota) announced that these things were doing 45,000 miles per hour and to make reference so we could understand....that was nine time faster than bullets from the "cops" .38 Special.....

In fact it's closer to 60 times the speed of a .38 Special....someone at the newspaper didn't do the math very well.....and yes...it was I that corrected them!

The stupidest thing I was ever told that was the bolt from a particular rifle should ALWAYS stay with its particular rifle (it was serial numbered to)as they were BOTH "machined form the same piece of steel"!

And so would not fit any other similar rifle. It took me years to actually figure out why this wasn't even possible let alone true!

probably the best one ive heard lately was a leo at the gun store. he had his 8-10 yr old with him and there was a 50bmg barret on the counter. he was telling his son how bad that rifle was. he told the boy if the bullet just gets close to you the shock from it can kill you. i just shook my head. the boy then asked what the thing on the end of the barrel was for he said thats so it doesn kick so hard that it breaks your arm and if you stand beside the gun when someone shoots it all the pressure coming out the sides of it can kill you.

I woman that used to hunt on the same farm as me could hit paper targets with her .30-30 with sufficient regularity using open sights. However, she could NEVER hit a deer at any range. Her explanation was that the rifle KNEW she was aiming at a deer and the muzzle only jumped when she did. (Nevermind the fact the muzzle does nto jump until after the bullet leaves the barrel). So her husband took eletrical tape and taped a couple of peices of rebar to the barrel to hold it down for her. Maybe making it heavier might have made it harder for her to jerk away as/before she pulled the trigger, I'll never know. I would have liked to have seen the look on my face as I stood there with my mouth gaping open when she told us the rifle new it was being pointed at a deer. She was family at the time so I could not tell her she was a moron.

Oh and from her husband: "My 30-.06 does not even really get movin' good until about 100 yards or so."

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Another friend used to have a 25/06 from which bullets went speeding downrange at 4,200 fps.

Probably an "AI"....as long as we're speaking of such things.....

Used to hunt on a ranch in west Texas and the owner would argue until the cows came home that his 264Wmag with 120s was around 4500. Since it was his ranch and we hunted for next to nothing always let him win that one.

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Originally posted by Pygmy:
A poster on another forum contendsthat, within a given chambering, heavier bullets are always less accurate than lighter bullets.. In other words, in a 30-06, a 150 grain bullet will always be more accurate than a 180 grain bullet..

That's the guy we call "shifferbrains"

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Originally posted by sksshooter:
probably the best one ive heard lately was a leo at the gun store. he had his 8-10 yr old with him and there was a 50bmg barret on the counter. he was telling his son how bad that rifle was. he told the boy if the bullet just gets close to you the shock from it can kill you. i just shook my head. the boy then asked what the thing on the end of the barrel was for he said thats so it doesn kick so hard that it breaks your arm and if you stand beside the gun when someone shoots it all the pressure coming out the sides of it can kill you.

Sometimes fathers tell their children things more to humor themselves or for protection. Of course this guy could have just been ignorant.

But, as for me, I know I tell my kids things to prevent them from doing things I don't want them to do. Case in point, my daughter will be 16 early next year. She's gone to some school dances, prom, etc. I tell her that if she thinks about kissing a boy, just remember, he brushes his teeth about half as many times as she does. Then I show them pictures of gingivitis, and disgusting teeth, or an oral surgery on youtube due to poor dental care. That seems to turn on a red warning light.

BTW, the look on her and her friend's faces when telling them about the lack of teeth brushing is priceless, since they are so lazy about it themselves. My kids brush 3x/day when I police them. Otherwise, they'd probably go a day or so, which is disgusting.

One of the funnier ones I heard from a guide recently. He was applying electrical tape to the end of his rifle barrel to keep dirt, snow, etc. out of it. His client wanted to know if he was applying the tape because his barrel was cracked and he didn't want it coming apart.

there was a guy who purchased a 12 gauge pistol gripped home defense shot gun from my local dealer. About a week later, came to the shop equipped with stitches and a HUGE black, green, red and brown right cheek and eye. He complained to my dealer that the gun kicked WAY to much, and wanted to trade it in on a smaller gauge. He also DEMANDED that the dealer give him better instuction on how to "aim" the shotgun and whether he should have positioned the gun more in the center of his face so he could use BOTH eyes for "aiming"

One of best ones I heard was on another forum.
A fellow said he made a 440 yd shot across a canyon on a rockchuck with his 30-30 and iron sights. When someone called BS he said "I paced it off", 200 yds down, 40 yds across the canyon floor, 200 yds back up the other side. I loved that one!

I was at the store of a local "gunsmith" (I use the term lightly since he appears to have about as much gunsmithing skill as I do for brain surgery), when one of his "experts" was selling a pistol to a customer for self defense purposes.
The customer lived in a 2 story house with basement. To make a long story short, when the customer left the shop the "expert" had convinced him to keep the gun in a touch pad gunsafe in the 2nd story bedroom next to his bed, with the internal lock engaged (Taurus), unloaded, and to keep the ammo in a similar safe behind a locked door in the basement. This would be real funny if it weren't for two facts: the first is that the customer had never owned a gun and the sales clerk only showed him how to load the gun and then told him to read the manual to "learn how to shoot a firearm properly"; and second the customer went home thinking he was able to defend himself when in fact he had a better chance grabbing a bedside lamp and using that to defend himself.
And Jeffe, sorry in advance for this, but that the 375 Ruger is in any way a better cartridge than the 375 H&H!

I was in a local gunstore discussing sidearms with one of "Denvers Finest" when he exclaimed he only cleaned his glock every 1000 rounds. I mentioned that with my Sig, I'd run a swap down the barrel about every 50 rounds, other wise my groups would start to open up. He began to tell me there is no way a dirty barrel could affect group size unless it was so fouled that the rifling was plugged.
I asked "You've never shot a rifle, have you?"
"Well no, I haven't, how did you know?"

An older guy I hunted with many years ago said that "Fred's" new .22 (a model 61 Winchester) would be a great deer rifle as it was a "New" gun.....and a "Winchester".....the assumption that anything new and Winchester was a very powerful rifle....more so than an older one that was worn out somewhat.....actually thinking power came from the rifle and not the cartridge!

I think he was a Democrat too!

A friend of mine worked with a fellow who bragged about his varmint rifle.. He claimed he killed woodchucks with it at 300-400 yards.


My buddy finally got to see the "varmint" rifle..

It was a 30-30 with a cheap scope...

My buddy looked hrough the scope, and there were NO CROSSHAIRS...

He asked the owner of the rifle how he ever HIT anything with it...

The guy said....

" It's a real BITCH until you you get used to it..".....