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7.62x63 is never a mistake. Bruce | |||
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I must wait to arrival of my son, I am too stupid to install pictures! Here in Germany, the ZG 47 and its forerunner, the Brno 21 are not high in respection, so you can get them fore ca.300- 500€ in very good shape! A friend is selling his ZG 47 with a Schmidt & Bender 3-12x50 scope for 1050€! | |||
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I am a proud owner of 8x60S rifle. I load exclusively 250gr Woodleigh's for bigger game like boar, mule dear etc. I can highly recommend it. Due the dimensions I assume it should have the same effect like the British 318WR. If you want a bit more bang and velocity I would go with the 8mm-06. CZ | |||
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I've had a Brno ZG47 in 8X60S, worked fine on norwegian moose. Now I have custom M98's in 8mm-06, 8x68S, 9,3x62 and 9,3x64, besides a ZG602 in 460 G&A  I believe the most interesting calibers are the 8x68S and the 9,3x64. They perform wonderfully on big game with heavy Woodleigh bullets! M | |||
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So does the 8x60, heck, they all do. I also have both the 8x68 and 9,3x64. In 99 percent of the circumstances I hunt in, my 8x60, .338-06, and 9,3x62 work equally well. But, I agree that if something a wee bit more exotic tickles your fancy, then the 8x68 and 9,3x64 might just be your ticket.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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Now that I selected the 8x57; is there a big loss in velocity if I went with a 20" barrel? I see some 200 grain load data approaching 2,700 fps in 24" barrels. Wondering if I can make a nice looking Mannlicher in 21-22" (versus the standard 20") or should opt for schnabel stock with a 24" barrel? comments? "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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2700 Ft/sec with a 200 grain is too hot for the 8x57. A good powerful load should do no more than 2624Ft/sec( 800 m/sec). Regarding your barrellength or style.Either go for the traditional 24" with schnabel or copy the M-mauser with 20" barrel with steel nose. I have both styles of original Mausers, and each gun has its own charme. A compromise between these two will destroy all charms. When shooting the 8x57 don`t focus on max velocity alone. If I were you, have a nice fullstocked made up, shooting 200-220 grain bullets @ 2500Ft/sec, and if you want more power, then later have a 8x68 made with 25" barrel. Congratulation with your choice of caliber BTW .DRSS: HQ Scandinavia. Chapters in Sweden & Norway | |||
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Mauser made a short-lived military round for the Chinese in 1907 I believe. It was a 6.8 (.270) x 57. Brass is easily made and reamers, dies, etc. are available. Good bullet selection. It would be an excellent deer/antelope slayer. You can bet no one else in deer camp would have one! | |||
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I'm right there with you! 30-06 30-06AI 338-06 338-06AI I am going to build one or the other or both if I'm not careful. Captain Finlander | |||
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Yep - the 8x68 is really cool. I'm building up two Enfields, one medium, one big bore, and am still fiddling with the calibers I want. I was considering a 338-06 AI, 338 win mag, 330 Dakota, or 338 RUM for the medium bore; but the 8x68 would be cool - just not a wide bullet selection. "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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If it is a fun gun, I'd go 20" Full length wood and a peep sight! The round nose will kill anything including elk out to 200 meters with practice on the peep. Put a scope on it and use TSX bullets and you can do anything that a 30'06 will do out to 300 meters. By the way I would oil finish the stock and rust blue the rifle!!!  "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Here in British Columbia, where big game rifles are used to an extent and in conditions equalled only in Alaska, many very experienced users consider the Brno ZG and 21/22 rifles superior to almost any factory-produced bolt rifle/action made since Herr Mauser introduced his "Patterne 98"; I certainly do. I have had British and German "name" bolt rifles, have a 9.3x62 in an Oberndorf Type B and had a "Postal Rifle" from Oberndorf. However, I will take my ZGs-3 at present and 21/22s-five at present, over any other bolt rifle I have had, used or even want. Oh, well, "variety is the spice of life", eh! | |||
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Tip Burns is doing the rifle for me and has a technique that replicates rust blueing very well at less time and money, and more durable. As for the finish, I'm not sure if I'm going to make it field grade with something like mesquite and just a coat of oil; or nice walnut with all the pores filled. Was thinking about rosewood - more resistant to dings than walnut and tighter grain. Might make a good compromise between the mesquite and walnut - durability and beauty. I plan to use a solid metal butt plate. I was in Alaska recently and used my Sendero as a walking stick up and down steep areas - so the hard rubber pad and synthetic stock were nice to have. Intend to fully use this rifle in the field, so want it very durable and easily touched up. "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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Rifle is finished. Posted here: http://forums.accuratereloadin...1019521/m/3101084751 "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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It is easy to make a 300 H&H on a 98 Mauser..Tons of 300 H&H, 375s and 416 Rems and even a few 404 Jefferys, and 416 Rigbys have been built around the 98 action.. My choice would be and presently is the wonderful 7x57 with a 06 length magazine and throat, the 9.3x62 is by far a better choice than the 338-06 yet recoil is about the same, and its not quite a .375 H&H..you also have all the new Ruger cartridges on that .375 case that work slick in a Mauser..The .270, 06, 280, 35 Whelan, any 06 base round. Stay away from short rounds, it can be done but why? The world is your oyster with a 98, its the best action out there. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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An 8X64 will be about 75 fps @ the most faster than an 8X57 when both are loaded to the same pressure. W/bullets of reasonable BC & SD, the .358 Win will be a slug as far as Mv compared to a properly loaded 8X57. This is what an 8X57 will do @ an estimated 60K psi from a 23 1/2" barrel.  GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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Oops, I should have read all the posts before responding. Now work up some loads W/Vv N550 to get the most out of that combo.. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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A couple of years ago I picked up a vintage 1929 Husqvarna sporter in 9.3x57. It's built on the slick cock on closing M94 Mauser action, has a beautiful honey colored stock with proper stock cast off so my old eyes line up perfectly with the open express type sights, with finally a barrel about 26"long. In essence the old classic pre war bolt action European sporter. Loaded ammo is not available in my part of the country so I put in a good supplo of Norma brass and some of their bullets plus a bunch of 286 gr Privi bullets. No speed deamon, but it hits like a freight train, and doing so with light recoil. It may not be a long range cartridge but to me it's an excellent balance of power and recoil. JJK | |||
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It finished with a 20" barrel (per the pics I linked to). Sighted in this week. Shot S&B 196 gr ammo everywhere, 2" groups with 200 grAframes and Partitions; 3 shots one hole with 200 gr Accubonds. I'm using a Superior Ammo load, so I think the fps is about 2,300 fps with the shorter barrel, but good for 200 yards or less. I'm going to work on a handload after I get back from RSA that will give be 2,400-2,500 fps in the rifle. BTW - I'm also getting ready to do a 8x68s build, so that will be my 8mm "thumper" "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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I would not worry about higher velosity. Accuracy, consistancy! My 1955 Husqvarna large ring '98 has a 23.75" barrel. 2700fps w/ 175gr Sierra hunters is fine, very accurate. 200gr at 2550 is fine also. 300 yards for the hardiest lower 48 game is pretty good. I re-stocked her this past winter. The original stock did concern me. I still have it.  | |||
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If you use "Quickload", you can work up data for some "adult" pressure loads. Enter all your data including barrel length, case capacity, COAL, etc. Set the pressure ceiling @ 60K & load density from 90% min to 107% max. (these are available case volume densities so 107% is not as far out as it might seem. In fact, Nosler's data for IMR 4350 W/a 200gr Partition shows a 107% load density load. (I have never been able to get closer than 100 fps less than that published Nosler load data however) I always strive for a powder that allows a slightly compressed load. I usually get the best accuracy & smallest SD from compressed loads. I use a drop tube & pour the powder into the funnel so that it swirls to get consistantly dense case filling. As always reduce the loads 10% & stop when you reach the suggested 60K Mv. I reached 2730 fps @ about 1.5gr less than the predicted load. Since I was getting excellent accuracy & standard deviation W/no signs of excess pressure. Recoil & muzzle blast were also mild so I stopped there. I suspect that since I was using cases formed from once fired GI '06 brass, (Lake City) the case capacity was a bit less than factory 8X57 brass hence the elevated MV from predicted data. I see no reason why you can't get an accurate 2600-2650 fps load W/a 200gr bullet from a 20" barrel. If you can get Vv N550 powder I would suggest that you give it a try. I have always been able to get about 100fps more Mv when using N550 or, in the case of higher volume cartridges, N560 compared to other powders. It is very dense per volume so one can back off to a slower burn rate & use more charge weight to get better Mv W/O elevating pressure. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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The 8x57 is a good choice, but when I used to buy a lot of used original Mauser sporters at auction in the UK and Europe, I found (and bought) far more of the original Mauser sporters in 9x57 and 9.5x57....particularly the 9 x57. I thought I'd mention that as the 9x57 is a slightly more competent round than the .358 Winchester (when handloaded) and very similar to it (.355" diameter, 247 gr. bullet) but with a case 6 m/m longer and thereby affording a wee tad more powder capacity. Apparently it was VERY popular at one time with Europeans as I found many times more original Mauser sporters in that caliber for sale...either that or everyone who bought one new hated it and wanted to get rid of it. Many of mine were marked as having been originally sold in either Calcutta or Nairobi, mainly the latter. I have to assume they were mostly originally bought by German settlers in German East Africa and later in what became British East Africa. (I suppose that in some locations military calibers were not easily owned by civilians, so maybe that also had an influence on the chamberings sold.) Anyway, I shot them a lot with both the original DWM sporting ammo and with handloads using .358" bullets. I was very fond of the ones I got and how they performed. I also shot them a fair amount with old Kynoch ammo, loaded with Axite propellant, and it worked well too. My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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I spoke with Kole at CP Catridge and he has some 200 grain loads that run 2,690 fps in a 24" barrel, so I suspect that 2,550-2,600 is probably achievable. I'll have to start hand loading and try to work up a load. However, if I'm building a 8x68, which I want running at 220 grain @ 2,900 fps minimum, then I will probably want to keep the 8x57 where it is and have it be my mild recoiling 8mm rifle. With the current loads, it is really nice to shoot - and I suspect once I get the walnut stock on it, it will even be smoother (but I am dropping the recoil pad on the synthetic to a steel plate on the walnut, so maybe its a wash). Yes - I always that the 9x57 was an interesting round.... but I'd probably just go 9.3x62 then! PS: a 8mm-06 sounds interesting as well, but then might as well go to a 8x64! "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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My ultimate goal is to have an 8X57IS W/a 23 1/2" barrel, an 8mm-06 A.I. W/a 24 1/2" barrel and an 8X68S W/a 26" barrel. All will be built W/military take off barrels. I have two 29" 98/29 barrels to be trimmed to the longer lengths. One is has a very good bore, the other is from a Persian Mauser & has a pristine bore. I have had outstanding results W/200gr bullets from military barrels so far. Mv goals are 2730/2880//3000 fps W/200gr bullets. Of course I am putting the finishing touches on the 8X57. I had the 8mm-06 A.I., but the barrel was too thin & it walked POI on consecutive shots as the barrel warmed. Since I already have the rest of the rifle & a barrel to rechamber W/the magazine properly dimensioned for flawless feeding as well as the dies, that will be the next project. I have already bought dies for the 8X68S & have a doner action & barrel to rechamber so I am committed to that project too. I think your 2900 fps goal W/220gr bullets in the 8X68S might be a bit out of reach unless you extend the magazine to near 375 H&H length & load the bullets WAY out for maximun COAL. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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I think your 2900 fps goal W/220gr bullets in the 8X68S might be a bit out of reach unless you extend the magazine to near 375 H&H length & load the bullets WAY out for maximun COAL.[/QUOTE] My Oberndorf M98 in 8x68S, with a Lothar Walther 25 inch barrel, will do 2850 fps with the Woodleigh 220 PP. The magazine is lenghtened to accept 89mm cartridges. M | |||
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Exactly, you are loading over 2mm longer than CIP standard & still a bit shy. I didn't mean it couldn't be done, it's just not practical @ standard COAL. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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I'm hoping the 26" barrel will get the needed extra velocity. "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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I cant believe all the negativity about my beloved 358 Win.. Ive got both a 358 and 8X57 and as far as Im concerned the 358 is every bit the equal of the 8X57 with heavy bullets. Its apples and oranges really, but when they are both at their best their power potential is really quite comparable. 358 is "boring", a "slug". Bull.. Mine rocks. Try loading up an 8X57 with a 220 gn pill and then see how they compare.. Anyway. Im happy to say that my bbl for my next Mauser project just shipped today. Im geeked about this one, she's gonna be a 7X57 on a VZ-24 with 24" tube. Im still hem hawing about wether to make it an AI or not. Decisions decisions... Either way I could see this one becoming a favorite real easy.. Aust..H I suggest you try some IMR 4064 and 200 gn accubonds in that 8X57..  Im thinking that with a good 7X57 and a 338-06 that could be a perfect 2 rifle battery in my neck of the woods, (after adding a 3rd for varminting of corse)  But an 8X68s intrigues me to say the least. That is one awsome looking round..AK-47 The only Communist Idea that Liberals don't like. | |||
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This round was called the 375 Rimless Nitro Express by the Brits. Today there is a rimmed copy of this fine round (invented  or should I say re-invented in 1983 or around 74 years later) by JD Jones. He calls it the 375 JDJ!  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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The 8x57 performed superbly in SA! I will post some pics in the Africa Hunting Report forum later this week. I used 200 grain Accubonds at around 2,300-2,400 fps (estimated based on shorter barrel). I took a snorter of a Waterbuck at 160 yards (one shot) and an Impala at 180 yards (one shot). The main hunting was done by my son with a 308 winchester (9 animals for him). "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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416 or 375 Ruger Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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