Below is a post from a thread on Weatherby rifles.Is this guy just lucky to have three factory rifles that consistently shoot sub 1/2" groups at 200 yards,is he some accuracy magician,or is his claim B.S.?

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I have a 243 ULW, a 7mm-08 SPM, and 338-06 SBGM All of them are pretty much the same thing.

I don't get it when people say they don't shoot well. My 7mm-08 will no joke consistently put 140BT's inside .50 at 200yrds sometimes better. The 338-06 and 243 are right there with it.

His response to someones post about custom rifles that shoot better for the same price..

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Will that custom your having built cheaper than $1000 shoot inside a half inch at 200yrds? All of mine do, bone stock factory with handloads though, although never shot factory ammo in them.

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My 7mm-08 will no joke consistently put 140BT's inside .50 at 200yrds sometimes better.

Time to hoist the flag!


He might have an accurate rifle, but the above statment is pure BS.

Terry

DAMN! Where in hell are my hip boots when I need them? It's getting deep around here.
Paul B.

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Originally posted by TC1:

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My 7mm-08 will no joke consistently put 140BT's inside .50 at 200yrds sometimes better.

Time to hoist the flag!


He might have an accurate rifle, but the above statment is pure BS.

Terry

He didn't add units of measure. Maybe he meant inside .50 feet?

If there's any truth at all to what he says, it was a one day 3 round group and he had the luck of a hole-in-one golfer.

HA! Always' leave yourself a little wiggle room

Terry

While I certainly believe there are rifles capable of such accuracy, and shooters who can produce such accuracy, this individual happens to be full of shit. But that is just my opinion.

You sure it wasn't 20 yards, instead?

Here is a link to the thread.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php...48695/page/1/fpart/4

If I had a nickel for every time somebody bragged about What they did or could do . I would be the richest person in the USA any way , Move over Bill gates !.

Here is a lesson that I learned well , do it then talk about it after words !.

I knew a friend of a friend who claimed he could hit a beer can ( End wise ) from 450 yd , every time with his 270 Free hand no less !.

So one day I ponied up a C note and put him on the spot , Factory or custom loads I didn't care .

The following weekend 7 Fellow shooters went along to see me lose my $ 100.00 . A good friend set up the can where the guy instructed him to place it . Well out of 12 shots he hit it twice .
Oh it was only 321 yd ! , not 450 Seems as though not only couldn't shoot well ; didn't know how to measure either !!!!.

Never really saw the guy much after that nor did the rest of the fellows .

Oh by the way I failed to mention we let him support the gun on sand bags after 5 shots !.

Shoot Straight know Your Target . ...

Well not to rain on the negativity parade here gang....

Not very many, but I have seen guys that can shoot that well, and have equipment that can shoot that well...

An acquaintence from the local range is in his 80s and he can hit something the size of a cinderblock at 500 meters with open sights and an old 308 match Model 70 he has.. many of us have seen him do it pretty consistently.. and he practices shooting all the time...

He was also supposedly a National Champion back in the late 60s, early 70s....

Key is practice, good equipment and knowing that equipment...

But speaking for myself, I have the equipment capable of doing that.... I get in a lot of practice....

I can make great shots with no witnesses it always seems... as soon as I have a witness, my trigger finger must get schitzoid... because I will defy logic and miss a target at close range the size of a garbage truck...Murphy's Law...works every time...

of course it is also humorous to shoot a real tight 50 yd group, and then move the target stand with the target still on it, out to 200 or 300 yds, and then just go home.. and laugh about the poor guy that finds it and thinks " damn!!!!" to himself, when he pulls it down to post his target...

The poster specified three factory rifles with no modifications at all,we are not talking about custom or modified rifles.

I don't know what's wrong with you guys. Just cuz you can't shoot doesn't mean others can't.

Hell, I can put 5 shots into a pie plate at 500 yards offhand, every time, and then I wake up.

I'm very fond of Weatherby's and own a few. 2 are even custom shop guns but I call. B.S. If he said 100yds, I'd give him the benefit of doubt but 200? I'd put up a C note to see that.

Sounds like horse pucky to me and x3 at that!

My experience is that groups seem to always get smaller online. It's just a byproduct of anonymity and having a smaller than average penis. Jim R

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Originally posted by Jim R:
My experience is that groups seem to always get smaller online. It's just a byproduct of anonymity and having a smaller than average penis. Jim R

LOL....ROTFLMAO!!!!

I too will hoist the flag.....this is pure bullshit!

If that was Jim Borden shooting one of his Benchrest rifles I'd say he was having a bad day...

Seeing as he's not - just go to a match and prove it and then I will believe it.

Glenn

Well gang..

Maybe he can, and maybe he can't...

but either way, it isn't effective my daily life one bit...

so if it his fact or fantasy.. that is the author's business... not mine...

And I freely admit to making phenominal shots at times... and then can't hit the broad side of Texas.. sometimes immediately after making an "Unbelievable" Shot...

I freely admit also.. most of my rifles can shoot much better than their owner..

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Originally posted by Stonewall:
If that was Jim Borden shooting one of his Benchrest rifles I'd say he was having a bad day...

I agree. I realize there are quite a few excellent rifle/gunsmiths out there, but I would LOVE to own a rifle built by Mr. Borden. For absolute accuracy, I don't think his rifles can be outmatched. He's a helluva smith and a very good shot with a rifle.

Not to sound synical, but believe none of what you hear and half of what you see, an axiom that has served me well over the years. Lou

Hey Stubblejumper, tell that guy to video tape himself at the range and post it. Shouldn't be a problem since he stated his rifles do this CONSISTENTLY.

I have pulled off some eye opening groups, and of course, like many, no witnesses for most, but I have had some buddies witness my very best groups....(which is always very cool)...must admit the head gets a bit swollen. But that is not the norm for me. I'm an average shot with quality rifles and I'm always happy when I get less than half inch groups at 100 yards.

But, back to the original fella, well, I still say he's spewing copious quantities of shit straight from the cow, ehrrr, bull.

I've seen someone put 3 shots into a half inch at 200 yards before with a Mark V in .300 Weatherby Magnum, but it had been in load development for months before that could be pulled off. Also, when I shot it (and my Dad, a family friend, and the rifle owner) it would only go 1-1.5" at 200 yards, it was only one guy at the range who was a very experienced target shooter who always puts the rest of us to shame in terms of skill who could actually pull it off.

Since then, I've never seen anyone pull off semi-consistent numbers like that with a hunting rifle at 200 yards, including high end factory rifles and custom jobs. The odds of one person doing it with several rifles consistently are extremely slim.

I have a 340 wby that will shoot .4 " at 500 yards consistantly, the trick is..... one shot groups! I like Wby rifles and would never worry about carrying one in the field, but .5" at 200 yds is a dream that few master class shooters would dare to BS about. I would believe 1.5" at 200 yds would be a good go, maybe 1" on a target barrel, but .5" is asking a bit much.... Long live internet shooting.

John

When sick, it is amazing how much the front end and the back end of a pig look alike....

When he says "...inside a half inch at 200yrds? All of mine do, bone stock factory" it immediately lights up the "Bullshit sign" in my head.

Absolutes have always been a red flag to me that everything isn't Kosher.

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Originally posted by .366torque:
You sure it wasn't 20 yards, instead?

There sure is a decimal missing somewhere in this claim. Perhaps it was 5" groups at 200 yards... but .5 I doubt it.

So what if he can do it? I can´t but I still live a good life

My buddy and I were testing rifles in the LA area recently.

We had 2 different 308,s that NEVER did shoot a group at 300 yards over 1.5 inches.

Most were well under that.

At 100 yards they both shot one ragged hole.

Some gun/ammo combo's are just lucky/good.

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
My buddy and I were testing rifles in the LA area recently.

We had 2 different 308,s that NEVER did shoot a group at 300 yards over 1.5 inches.

Most were well under that.

At 100 yards they both shot one ragged hole.

Some gun/ammo combo's are just lucky/good.

But they were't box stock factory regular rifles either.

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
My buddy and I were testing rifles in the LA area recently.

We had 2 different 308,s that NEVER did shoot a group at 300 yards over 1.5 inches.

Most were well under that.

At 100 yards they both shot one ragged hole.

Some gun/ammo combo's are just lucky/good.

Of course to match the other guy's performance they would have to shoot 3/4" groups at 300 yards

i'v learned not to question.
I saw a box stock steyr, shot from a lahti rifle exaluator that produced .6" at 200 w/ factory ammo.
so anything is possible given the right conditions.

I've got a savage O/U 222/12ga combo to sight in for a friend this afternoon. I fully expect 1/2" groups out of that, shouldnt be a problem with the quality savage scope it came with.

How about a Ruger 77V in 22-250 shooting .260in groups at 200 yards???
I know of a guy that says he can shoot these 1/4in groups at 200 yards. BS or not??

I don't know if anyone has ever tried this, to see how well you or your varmint rifle will shoot...

But take some shipping tape, and secure 10 to 20 pennies at 200 yds, and from a bench is fine or prone, but see how many of the pennies you can hit at first volley of your 10 or 20 shots.....

don't ask me why, but for some reason, there is a bigger motivation to see how well you can do with the pennies than just 10 or 20 black circles the same size...

As Will Rogers use to say.. If you did it.. it ain't braggin...

A consistant Quarter MOA from a hunting rifle sounds like BS to me. And this guy says he has 3 ultrta lights that do it.
If he does he should call weathrby and do a tv commercial.
That would be prety darn good from a heavy barrel 22,250.
I Did see a guy at a range one time shooting a 300 weatherby.
He had had a smith thread the muzzle and install a browning boss unit on it.
There was a target sitting on the bench with holes spaced verticly about a half inch apart, mabye 7 of them.
I asked what the hell would cause that? He said he was working up to a Max load and each hole represented another half grain of powder.
These holes were in about perfect spacing and in as strait a line as my eyes could tell.
Quite impressive.
And speeking of old men with iron sights, there was a guy at the same range another time, who was I think 73, and had been shooting the same rifle snce he was about 17, he used the same load and did every thing the same each time including puting an ink mark on the brass rim and loading with the ink at the top each time.
He got a constant MOA at 100 yards. Mabye only mildly impressive , cause I did,nt tell you, he was shooting a trap door springfield 45/70 about 125 years old...tj3006

"Consistently" is where the flag must be raised. There are factory rifles that are capable of 1/2" groups at 200, but consistently is not gonna happen.

I personally own 3 factory rifles that will shoot 3 shot groups in the .6-.7 range at 200 quite frequently and what some might consider "consistently," but the few times I shoot .5 or less at 200 I dismiss as good luck. Although, I do feel the rifles might do it more frequently in someone elses hands as I'm just not confident enough to do better than .6-.7 at 200 on what some might say is a consistant basis.

I've said this several times: There are far more 1/2" rifles than there are 1/2" shooters....

Good Luck

Reloader

Why do guys who have stock guns and abilities like that never post pictures of their targets?

I guess they don't want the five fliers at 3.5MOA surrounding the two impacts that happen to be within .5MOA. to confuse the issue.

I doubt it, but I wasn't there..If he can do that CONSISTANTLY, then he is one hell of a shot. I won't call a man a liar unless its too his face.

"Consistently" is where the flag must be raised. There are factory rifles that are capable of 1/2" groups at 200, but consistently is not gonna happen. Quote .

Yes and Raised too the Moon !.

I want to know " WHERE " some of you are buying you're factory ammo ?. Then I want a refund on " Several Factory Rifles ", all makes and types !.
I got cheated some where along the line , then again a couple of shooting buddies did to !.

Even I can hit excellent groups some times and I've been practicing for decades . To do it consistently !?? Well that's a whole other game that I can't play . Even benchresting with custom loads , I can't seem to do it on a regular basis . Heck maybe we lefty's are shooting the wrong target ?. I've been told most of my life . " Ah Your Ass Backwards " , that's what's a matter with you !.


Shoot Straight Know Your Target . ...

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Is this guy just lucky to have three factory rifles that consistently shoot sub 1/2" groups at 200 yards,is he some accuracy magician,or is his claim B.S.?

for one he has over 900 posts and that must mean something-if he is a "liar" like so many claimed I doubt he would have made it so for with so many posts. Just speculation.
two- he mentions 2 of the rifles can and the 3rd perhaps. I figure he got a wee bit excited in his statement and spouted off happily.

You can see the majority of Weatherbys being over a MOA @ 100yds so it looks like he is "lucky" to own some shooters. He never backed off in his defense and is quite "mannered" about it all. 200yds is some shooting with sub groups for sure-in anyones book.

I too won't call one a liar unless it is in his face. I have many of my own rifles that I have "tweaked" to shoot sub groups @ 100yds but never have at 200. Looks like I would be hung out to dry if I did say that I had one at 200 though.

I'd say he is just "lucky".
my .02

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Originally posted by grizz007:

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Is this guy just lucky to have three factory rifles that consistently shoot sub 1/2" groups at 200 yards,is he some accuracy magician,or is his claim B.S.?

for one he has over 900 posts and that must mean something-if he is a "liar" like so many claimed I doubt he would have made it so for with so many posts. Just speculation.
two- he mentions 2 of the rifles can and the 3rd perhaps. I figure he got a wee bit excited in his statement and spouted off happily.

You can see the majority of Weatherbys being over a MOA @ 100yds so it looks like he is "lucky" to own some shooters. He never backed off in his defense and is quite "mannered" about it all. 200yds is some shooting with sub groups for sure-in anyones book.

I too won't call one a liar unless it is in his face. I have many of my own rifles that I have "tweaked" to shoot sub groups @ 100yds but never have at 200. Looks like I would be hung out to dry if I did say that I had one at 200 though.

I'd say he is just "lucky".
my .02

Go back a re-read the post. He admitted he had never even fired the .243 at .200yds. I'm not calling him a liar, I personally think he got caught up in moment. It's one thing to fire a 1/2" 200 yd group. It's another thing altogether to do it consistently.

You're right about his demeanor. He's been very polite though the whole thing.

Terry