While on the subject of Factory Weatherby rifles. I personally haven't been all to lucky with them, but I've fired some that were just plain accurate with factory Weatherby brand ammo. I custom load for one guy that has a MkV 270 Wea Mag that will do less than an inch at 200, I've seen him shoot it less than an inch at 200 and I personally fired a .6 at 200 with said rifle and his factory ammo. Matter of fact, my handloads wouldn't out shoot the factory loads in that one instance. I could get him to 1" at 200 with a Max load of R22 under 150 Hdy SPILs in Norma brass lit by Fed 215 GMMs. I've also shot Weatherby rifles that were just so-so shooters.

I don't think this guy has rifles that will shoot exactly like he says, although they are probably good shooters none the less. I do however find it funny that some condemn those that say they have sub 1/2 MOA capable factory rifles.

I'll bet anyone on this board a darn healthy wager that I have a few of them. If a man feels accurate factory rifles don't exist he needs to buy a rifle such as Remington XR100 or a 700PSS for instance, have them properly broken in, custom loads developed, and placed in the hands of a competent marksman. Accurate factory rifles do exist, accurate shooters are far more rare of an occurance.

I bet the flags would really be raised if I told you I had some factory sporters that shoot sub 1/2 moa at 200 quite frequently

I don't doubt the fella in question has some accurate rifles, but 1/2" @ 200 consistently with sporters is a wet dream.

Good Luck

Reloader

I don't mind calling the guy a "liar" on the internet b/c that's where he presented his info. Whether he's embelishing a bit or being down right dishonest does not matter. I just don't believe his story, not as presented anyway.

A post from the same thread on another site.

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Originally Posted by triggerpress View Post
I went to the IBS (International Benchrest Shooters) website and looked for the current three gun world record. This is a cut and past copy of a comparable record.

HB-HV-LV 100-200 yds. 3 0.2949 R. Maretzo 8/21/83

Interpreted, that says: three guns, Heavy Benchrest, Heavy Varmint and Light Varmint, shot over 100 and 200 yds, yielded a 0.2949 minute of angle average for R. MARETZO on August 21, 83.

This fellow is claiming 0.250 minute of angle for three guns, with hunting rifles. He should take those three lightweight rifles and hunting scopes to a benchrest match, he could be the new world record holder.

I have several rifle that will shoot under an inch, maybe 3 or 4 and they will do it consistently..It took me 60 years of buying, selling and trading to get them, now I'm almost too old to use them!!

Maybe he meant .5 MOA and not .5 inch, a huge difference...

Easily done by a RIFLEMAN!

Or in some cases a RIFLEBOY!

Actually one of the rifles was a factory rifle.

It was a Blaser R 93 with a synthentic Safari stock with the heavy fluted Match bbl. [The one that comes on the LRS]

We were shooting factory Federal 175gr Match ammo.

Remember the LARGEST group was still under 1.5" at 300 yards.

B.S. All the way.
This dude is a real wind bag.

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Originally posted by Thomas Jones:
A consistant Quarter MOA from a hunting rifle sounds like BS to me. And this guy says he has 3 ultrta lights that do it.....

...tj3006

Well..... I think I've got a 1/4 MOA hunting rifle but I've yet to prove it!

Here's a target that I enter into a postal contest:


The shots at 11 o'clock measure 0.45". However, its 3 of the four - I pulled that one about 5/8" to the right. It took four shots, since that flyer to the right, for me to figure where the rifle was grouping. On my last shot I aimed 1/2" low and a bit right to get one in the X.

PS: I seen some 1/2" groups at 200 yards but will also raise the BS flag on 1 person having 3 hunting rifles that will "consistently" do it at 200 yards when I may only have one!

Seriously guys it is not a difficult task.

I have a group of eight friends who shoot every Sunday at 600 yds. Their target is a golf ball. Most of them were Marine Corps sharpshooteres (3 were snipers).

They hit the ball more often than not.
(I'm not one of them).

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Originally posted by Dr. Duc:
They hit the ball more often than not.

with what? factory hunting rifles? nothing tricked out?

Something posted on another forum.Remember that this is the world record ,set with custom benchrest rifles,not factory sporting rifles.

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quote:

Originally Posted by triggerpress I went to the IBS (International Benchrest Shooters) website and looked for the current three gun world record. This is a cut and past copy of a comparable record.

HB-HV-LV 100-200 yds. 3 0.2949 R. Maretzo 8/21/83

Interpreted, that says: three guns, Heavy Benchrest, Heavy Varmint and Light Varmint, shot over 100 and 200 yds, yielded a 0.2949 minute of angle average for R. MARETZO on August 21, 83.

This fellow is claiming 0.250 minute of angle for three guns, with hunting rifles. He should take those three lightweight rifles and hunting scopes to a benchrest match, he could be the new world record holder.

triggerpress

For all 3 of those rifles to do it sounds a bit like BS. But one if them might IF...


He would have to be a good shooter
The handloads would have to be top quality with a lot of load development done
Perfect Weather conditions.
A very stable rest
A High Quality scope
Plus the luck to get such an accurate factory rifle that needed no work done to it.

IT is deffinatly possible, but not a probability

I'm not saying he isnt lying, but if someone has the luck and is a good shooter and can achieve these groups then who are we to say he cant do it? Id really like to see some proof of these groups.

dont say its BS because of jealousy.

I once saw a sako 75 finnlight in 7mm08 do a 1" group at 400yards, the guy was obsolutley stoked! he said he had never shot that well befor but was hoping with more practice he could do it more often - this case was Luck

And No i cant shoot 1/4 MOA groups.

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Originally posted by Paul from nz:
dont say its BS because of jealousy.

Not me. I say it is BS b/c he said it was THREE rifles that could do it CONSISTENTLY.

That tells me that every time he goes to the range, he can do it with any of the 3 rifles EVERY SINGLE TIME.

I do not believe proof of this can be provided. The guy in question is FOS. Do I wish I had 3 factory rifles that could do that? Heck yes.

Something the same guy posted more recently on the same thread.

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To me consistently means on average or regularly or more than it doesn't. I would bet that if I hung a target @200 and over time shot say a 100 rounds at it more than 65-75 of them would go inside a half inch center to center or .784 outside dia.

Yup, the word consistantly is the tripper. I had a box, stock 700 in 7-08 that shot a .1xx in a factory match. It was a couple of years ago but I'm still waiting for it to happen again so I can say it FREQUENTLY shoots into the .1s.
.5 is hard to do at 200 yards with a sporter rifle. Even from a solid bench with a rest and shooting tuned hand loads. Three of them in a litter is even more interesting.
Are we shooting 3 or 5? How many groups out of 10 does it take to be considered consistant? I'd like to see it. And I'd have a little piece of money in my hand just to make it really interesting.

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Something posted on another forum.Remember that this is the world record ,set with custom benchrest rifles,not factory sporting rifles.


quote:
quote:

Originally Posted by triggerpress I went to the IBS (International Benchrest Shooters) website and looked for the current three gun world record. This is a cut and past copy of a comparable record.

HB-HV-LV 100-200 yds. 3 0.2949 R. Maretzo 8/21/83

Interpreted, that says: three guns, Heavy Benchrest, Heavy Varmint and Light Varmint, shot over 100 and 200 yds, yielded a 0.2949 minute of angle average for R. MARETZO on August 21, 83.

This fellow is claiming 0.250 minute of angle for three guns, with hunting rifles. He should take those three lightweight rifles and hunting scopes to a benchrest match, he could be the new world record holder.

triggerpress

I think bringing the BR element in is apples to oranges. AGs shot in competitions are a far cry from 3 shot groups fired under long wait times in calm conditions. I can shoot a series of 3 shot groups well under an inch at 200yds in calm conditions with regularity, but you're not gonna see me at the big matches with my cheap little factory Heavy bbl rigs

I'd honestly like to see what the top BR shooters can do in perfectly calm conditions shooting 3 shot groups and allowing plenty of cooling time inbetween shots. I bet they would have some scary groups "consistently."

Ya'll have a good one,

Reloader

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Originally posted by stubblejumper:
Something the same guy posted more recently on the same thread.

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To me consistently means on average or regularly or more than it doesn't.

Simply put, this person misuses the term consistent.

Definitions of consistent:

reproducible: capable of being reproduced; or

the same throughout.

I suppose we can now dissect the term "capable." Anyone can say they can go to the range and consistently get one hole groups at 200 yards if they want to just because the rifle and shooter are "capable" of doing so after it occurred just once, even if it never occurs again.

If he would like to hold on to that wet dream, so be it.

Don't know if it's true or not, but I'm sure they shoot better than some semi-custom 700s, and he doesn't have to worry about handles falling off, unsafe safeties and sheet metal extractors. jorge

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Don't know if it's true or not, but I'm sure they shoot better than some semi-custom 700s, and he doesn't have to worry about handles falling off, unsafe safeties and sheet metal extractors. jorge

Not even remotely relevent to the topic,but the response was not surprising,since it came from you.If you had read the entire thread,you might have noticed that the purpose was not to bash any particular brand of gun,but simply to consider the merit of the claims that the individual was making.

Mr Atkinson,
I greatly admire your reservations about calling a man a liar.

Goodonya Mate!

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Originally posted by jorge:
Don't know if it's true or not, but I'm sure they shoot better than some semi-custom 700s, and he doesn't have to worry about handles falling off, unsafe safeties and sheet metal extractors. jorge

Is this common? My safeties are all Jewel and all rifles have Sako extractors. I didn't know the bolt handles fall off. Mine haven't so far.

I'll bet they don't shoot better than my 700s.

Pure BS

In the entire world (excluding the fantasy/internet portion) I doubt that there are three Weatherby factory rifles, shooting factory ammo that can/could do "1/2 groups" at 200 yards.....the odds of one man/person owning all of them is beyond belief!!!

There was a poster on another forum that claimed he could "consistantly" shoot a M-96 Mauser in 6.5 X 55 into 3/4" groups at 200 yards with IRON SIGHTS.

I seriously doubted this as well. He claimed to be a Marine sniper.

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Not even remotely relevent to the topic,but the response was not surprising,since it came from you.If you had read the entire thread,you might have noticed that the purpose was not to bash any particular brand of gun,but simply to consider the merit of the claims that the individual was making.

Oh please give me a break, I read the entire thread. hence, my comment about I really could care less about his extravagant claims. Had the poster been using a 700, I'm sure you'd have piped in agreeing with him.

At least I admit my pathology with Remingtons, and attest to their accuracy, but I've never gone so far as to generate a SPECIFIC post about it when it involves Weatherbys. There hasn't been ONE thread concerning Weatherbys where you haven't chimed in to disparage. You have issues. jorge

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There hasn't been ONE thread concerning Weatherbys where you haven't chimed in to disparage. You have issues. jorge

I merely relay my own experiences with the weatherby rifles that I have owned.You are the one with the issue as you are the one that gets all defensive whenever anything negative is spoken about weatherby,your off topic post on this thread being a prime example.

Ok, we've established that Jorge does not like Remingtons and I'm guessing that Stubblejumper does not care for the Weatherby(s) he's owned.

To each his own and we should all respect that.

Back to the topic of Mr. Supersniper and his consistent factory elite benchrest quality hunting rifles.... May he always believe his own

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I'm guessing that Stubblejumper does not care for the Weatherby(s) he's owned.

Not true,I was very disappointed with the mark Vs that I owned,but I do think the vanguard(except the sub moa) is a great value for the money.

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Originally posted by Dr. Duc:
I have a group of eight friends who shoot every Sunday at 600 yds. Their target is a golf ball. Most of them were Marine Corps sharpshooteres (3 were snipers).

They hit the ball more often than not.
(I'm not one of them).

Sniper Golf? It's fun, and I miss far more than I hit...
But it is still fun.

That's certainly a fair statement Doc, but if you hang around here (and other sites long enough) and the subject of Weatherbys comes up, you can count on SJ to pipe up.

I think it odd that I've owned close to a dozen Weatherbys and they've all been extremely accurate, certainly sub MOA.

I'm also on the record attesting to the accuracy of Remingtons, it's their quality I have issues with, unlike SJ who attests that Weatherbys MKVs are all inaccurate pieces of junk.

I'm 100% on board that that guy's claims were let us say "extravagant" but I stand by my statement that if that poster would have said "Remington" instead of "Weatherby" SJ would be all over in agreement. jorge

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Originally posted by Dr. Duc:
I have a group of eight friends who shoot every Sunday at 600 yds. Their target is a golf ball. Most of them were Marine Corps sharpshooteres (3 were snipers).

They hit the ball more often than not.
(I'm not one of them).

do you know what your talking about?

"sharpshooter" is a KD qualification medal rateing.

Range Scoring

The scoring for the range runs like this:

EXPERT, SHARPSHOOTER, MARKSMAN.
I shot 247, 245, 245 and PET (prior multiple expert) my last year.
I carried multiple badges due to my 5811 MOS and had 4th award pistol Expert as well.

I certainly wouldnt expect a brother Mariine to brag about being a sharpshooter.
And I can Guaran-fucking-tee you that NO MARINE SNIPER was a "sharpshooter". He isnt even eligble unless he shoots 245 or better.

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unlike SJ who attests that Weatherbys MKVs are all inaccurate pieces of junk.

I am willing to make a challenge to you.If you can find one post where I made that statement,I will leave this forum never to return.However,if you can't,then you leave the forum never to return.Are you man enough to back up your words?Why am I so confident,because I never posted any such statement.

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I'm 100% on board that that guy's claims were let us say "extravagant" but I stand by my statement that if that poster would have said "Remington" instead of "Weatherby" SJ would be all over in agreement. jorge

If you honestly believe that,then you are severely lacking in intelligence.

But intelligent or not, we will see one thing for sure,whether you are a man of honor,that backs up his words or a lying coward that doesn't.

The statement that I supposedly made was

"
Weatherbys MKVs are all inaccurate pieces of junk".

I am waiting for your response to my challenge,even though I am sure that you will not accept.

For once Kstephens sez something I agree with.
244, 242, 245, 242. They didn't have "PET" waaay back when I was in.

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I am waiting for your response to my challenge,even though I am sure that you will not accept

Wow, I must have hit a nerve, but since this isn't a court of law or at ALL important to me I'll just say that if you even had a rudimentary grasp of the english language the statement you quoted above was not meant as an EXACT quote but a generalization of your overall postings regarding Weatherbys.

I have neither the time or the inclination to:

A. Do a search to find all your quotes from years past where the tenor of your posts are absolutely anti-Weatherby. (I guess you'll have to figure out the difference of what constitutes implied and verbatim, but I'm probably overtaxing you).

B. Find a reasonable way with dealing with your internet bravery of calling me a lying coward, but like I've told other false-bravado buffoons here in the past "hey, maybe we'll meet in Dallas or Reno then you can tell me in person."

So anyway if folks want to waste their time and research your past Weatherby postings where you wax un-eloquently about Weatherbys being poorly made, overpriced and inaccurate, they are free to so so.

As far as my intelligence (or lack thereof) I'm no rocket scientist, but if spelling and syntax are any indication, I'm way ahead of you in that regard. jorge

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Wow, I must have hit a nerve,

After seeing your smug,arrogant attitude for so long on these forums,I thought that I would give you a chance to show that you are a man by backing up your words.However,your response to my challenge was totally predictable.

You are not only a lying coward,you are an arrogant lying coward.

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Find a reasonable way with dealing with your internet bravery of calling me a lying coward, but like I've told other false-bravado buffoons here in the past "hey, maybe we'll meet in Dallas or Reno then you can tell me in person."

When someone lies about what I post,I think it very reasonable to challenge them to back up their words.As for meeting you,you probably use someone else's name at Dallas and Reno just in case someone tries to meet you face to face.

SakoTRG .338Lapua shot with hunting ammo at 200meters. This group is shot by another member on our forum.


Its time to rise the flag....

I've written on the surprising accuracy of my lone Weatherby several times during the past several years. It's a Wby Ultra Lt Wt in .280 Rem that I traded into several years ago at a gun show. Mounted a Leupold 2.5-8X and proceeded to shoot 1/2" groups at 100 yds with Federal Gold Medal 150 NP ammo.

At 200 yds, off the bench, with handloads or Federal 150 NP's it will shoot into 1" to 1.2" regularly, for THREE shots. BUT it has also shot 3 at 200 yds into microscopically under 1" groups; .970" , .990" etc. So I could say it shoots under an inch at 200. So there ARE a few untouched, factory Wby's that CAN shoot.

Dr K mentioned a bragger who could hit a beer can at 400 yds or something. We had a local bar owner who went on and ON about his Weatherby's and the insane LR game shots he made REGULARLY. One day the group of us had enough and we called him out to prove it.

Long story short......This guys 400 yds was basically two hundred. And his idea of a 1" group was closer to 2". He and his .30=.378 didn't make very many hits at a REAL four hundred yds. he was so demoralized I felt a slight bit sorry for him.

FN in MT

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When someone lies about what I post,I think it very reasonable to challenge them to back up their words.As for meeting you,you probably use someone else's name at Dallas and Reno just in case someone tries to meet you face to face

That's odd when you consider that I use my real name and photo here and my hometown, even my office and legitimate email.

Also most folks here will know me in Dallas so when you and shootaway show up, I'm sure you can ask around.

But since I'm such a coward I did find this so I'll publicly admit here to vindication for you and an apology regarding the exact use of the word "junk" and also my response to that a few posts below that one, but as to the rest, I'll stick by what I said:

Wbys NOT junk
overpriced

exaggerated claims

overpriced

bad value

There's about SIX PAGES of anti-Weatherby posts all disparaging accuracy and value:

on and on...

As to the arrogant charge, guilty, but then again it's hard to be humble...jorge