I noticed Remington has replaced the ADL and BDL w/ the SPS but, what really gets my goat is why they quit making the Sendero(and 700P)??? The only Bull Barrel rifles they have in their catalog are varmint rifles, nothing bigger than a .308 win. The Senderos are very popular around here. Some of the most accurate rifles at our range are Senderos in 7 RM, 300 WM, etc.

I wonder if they are going to just give up on the Bull Barrels in the big carts?

Sad!

Reloader

They still make the BDL and i hope they do for a long time.

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They still make the BDL and i hope they do for a long time.

Yea, your right on that one. I was thinking the new SPS w/ Drop Magazine was taking it's place.

Reloader

Talked w/ a dealer today and he informed me that Remington puts out three catalogs, the other two being the Law Enforcement and the Millitary. He said the 700P would still be made but, the Sendero was out. He said there was still a few to be had from distributors.

Reloader

Of all the Remington rifles the Sendero was my favorite. Many of my friends share the same opinion. Figures it would be discontinued. Must have cost to much to make.......

One word...J-lock.

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Of all the Remington rifles the Sendero was my favorite. Many of my friends share the same opinion. Figures it would be discontinued. Must have cost to much to make.......

I agree but, I don't think it would be any more difficult to produce than the 700P. Seems like they are very similar to each other except you can't get a stainless fluted 700P .

Reloader

Possibly the larger calibers in bull barreled rifles will become restricted to the military and police depts. If Remington is doing this you can be sure there's a reason for this. It may sound far fetched, but little would surprise me today.

About the current Remington models, it appears the ADL will still be produced but only with synthetic stocks. It looks like the CDL is being floated to see how it sells, maybe with an eye toward it being the replacement for the BDL, a model with quite a few years on it. I only wish Remington would produce a rifle that didn't require glass bedding, barrel floating and trigger work- $200., to make them shoot as well as the Remingtons from the 1970s and 80s. It seems that only Savage is interested in producing an accurate rifle at a decent price. Wonder how long that will last? Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

Gentlemen

I find remington choice of models quite strange

The old rem 700 were really good compared with what come out of the factory today. Has remington been sold or relocated their production to some low cost country?

Cheers
/ JOHAN

Fire arms manufactors have been pressured hard from liberals and communists in the UN to take the bull barreled rifles out of the hans of the common man. They want it to be a law inforcement item only. Even varmint rifles have come under fire. Ruger like Remington offers some for law inforcement listed in another catalog and in some cases will ask you what law inforcement agency you are with when you call them about them. What is ironic about all this is that some old military rifles shoot better than they do any way.

I don't know why everyone here is creating UN conspiracies out of nothing.

Anyone can go to gunbroker.com or gunsamerica.com and find deozens of dealers legally selling Remington 700 P rifles to anyone with the cash and ability to buy one.

In any case, what's the difference between a Remington 700 VS in 308 Winchester and a Remington 700 P in the same caliber? None.

Besides, there are plenty of custom riflemakers that will happily build you a Remington based rifle that will be as accurate or more as the US Army's M24 or the US Marine Corps M40A3.

I spoke with Linda Powell at Remington; I am sure she doesn't mind my posting her response.


The Sendero just wasn't selling. Plain and simple.

Hey Reloader, where in LA are you from? I spent the last two weeks in Crossett, AR. Had to drive to the border to buy beer this past weekend.

AZ,

I'm over in the West part of the State in Minden, LA. close to Shreveport. Crosset is not too far from Bastrop, LA, I travel through Bastrop quite a bit when headed to the Miss. River Delta hunting.

Not much to look at in this part of the country . Nothing but a whole lot of pine trees.

There is some pretty good deer huntin' in that Southern Ark. area you were in. There is usually quite a few on the road side at night.

Reloader

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What's wrong w/ Remington?

In one word.....Savage!!!

I just had to go there, didn't I?

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Originally posted by mike_elmer:

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What's wrong w/ Remington?

In one word.....Savage!!!

I just had to go there, didn't I?

If you hadn't, I would have.

The truth hurts, especially if you are a Remington fan...

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Originally posted by Cal Sibley:
Possibly the larger calibers in bull barreled rifles will become restricted to the military and police depts. If Remington is doing this you can be sure there's a reason for this.
It may sound far fetched, but little would surprise me today.

About the current Remington models, it appears the ADL will still be produced but only with synthetic stocks. It looks like the CDL is being floated to see how it sells, maybe with an eye toward it being the replacement for the BDL, a model with quite a few years on it. I only wish Remington would produce a rifle that didn't require glass bedding, barrel floating and trigger work- $200., to make them shoot as well as the Remingtons from the 1970s and 80s. It seems that only Savage is interested in producing an accurate rifle at a decent price. Wonder how long that will last? Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

Yes, there is a reason for this. The government is the only entity that will consistently pay more for less. The public for the most part, will not. UNLESS the military and police are the only people that can have this so-called "special" equipment.

Then and only then can the public be duped into spending more for less just so they can have this "special" equipment.

Look at the last 10 years and the AWB. Not everything that was restricted was good, but everything had a market. People paid STUPID prices for stuff that was junk. Now that the AWB is gone, the good stuff is still relatively spendy, the rest is not.

Supply and demand...

I hope the gun manufacturers remember what happened to Smith & Wesson when they sold out against the average citizen and sided with the gun grabbers.

I really don't think there is a conspiracy, though... I can only think back to what Remington said when I asked them why they stopped making the 788. They said it was a model that had many "problems", so they dropped it from production.

Ya Right!!!

It was the best shooting rifle in their catalog.....and the cheapest.....that was not the right combo for Remington.

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Originally posted by mike_elmer:
I can only think back to what Remington said when I asked them why they stopped making the 788. They said it was a model that had many "problems", so they dropped it from production.

Ya Right!!!

It was the best shooting rifle in their catalog.....and the cheapest.....that was not the right combo for Remington.

The 788's HAD many problems, for Remington, that is.
First, they were too accurate for the money. Hard to charge twice as much for another rifle that isn't twice as accurate (the 700).
Second, they looked too much like the competition's rifles. I have sold several of them in the shop. People walk up and say, "let me see that Savage there..." (looks like a Savage/Stevens 340 & 840)
Third, and most importantly, they were cutting into sales of their precious model 700's.

We can't have that now, can we?

Nothing. Just marketing. As was mentioned, a lot of heavy barrel Remingtons around. But it is nice to know you can get a Savage, if you would like one. Steve

I just can't see any logical application the sendero has as a hunting rifle. Isn't is like 9 or 10 pounds. Not everyone sits in a deer blind and waits for the deer to show up at the feeder

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Originally posted by cummins cowboy:
I just can't see any logical application the sendero has as a hunting rifle.

Neither can I. As a matter of fact, they are useless (long action and magnum calibers) as target rifles in any NRA sanctioned shooting sport that I know of.

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I just can't see any logical application the sendero has as a hunting rifle. Isn't is like 9 or 10 pounds. Not everyone sits in a deer blind and waits for the deer to show up at the feeder

I don't see any reason fro them as a hunting rifle either but, If you like to shoot alot, the Sendero is a quite accurate rifle. I have more than enough sporter weight hunting rifles and when I find a load that shoots sub MOA and gives me the Ballistics I want, I don't like monkeying around with the scope while shooting cheaper target loads. W/ the Sendero you can just have fun shooting many different cheap loads at the range and punch alot of tiny one hole groups while doing so. They are heavy which, certainly helps w/ recoil when shooting alot w/ stout long range loads.

Good Luck!

Reloader

Could not find the Sendero cataloged in any 2005 Remington catalog: Regular, Custom Shop, LE or Military. Not on their website either. I was going to call them to confirm, but why?

Sendero's were for the most part accurate, but they were pricey. Too pricey for what you got, IMHO.

The amount of fairly negative feedback must be why Remington has dropped the Sendero from production. Why else?

Or maybe it's because of Savage: great guns for LESS MONEY?

Probably both.

Flippy,

There are still a few Senderos floating around. I've heard they haven't produced them in a couple of years. Even the ones still to be had are much more pricy than the 700 Police which, is basically the same setup minus stainless w/ flutes. I've also heard rumor that the 700 P tends to be more accurate than the Sendero but, I believe it to be merely rumor.


I did see were Ozark Guns was advertising Senderos for $788 but, I have no idea how old the add was.


Reloader

ok RL I see your point, I have a gun for the same purpose as well, its a CZ 527 varmint in 223. Its got a heavy tapered heavy barrel, the gun tips the scales at 7.5#'s. the barrel is heavy enough to handle long strings of shooting, and it will shoot any factory load except wolf into MOA or less most around .5" and most don't require a scope adjustment.

CC, how much did you have to give for that CZ?

I haven't seen to many in shops around here but, I hear they are quite good shooters.

The guys that shoot in the local 22LR match seem to like them in the Sporter Class.

Reloader

the one I got costs about $630 new. but I got if off auction arms used in nearly unfired condition for $450. sold the Cheap scope for $70 and am only into it $380. I think I done pretty good. its the 527 varmint that comes in the HS stock. As a result of being so happy with it a couple weeks ago I bought a used 527 carbine in 223 from a local guy. It will shoot 2 brands of factory stuff into MOA or less, The varmint model tends to shoot them around .5" and the carbine shoots em closer to 1" all groups are 5 shot groups. The carbine is light and handi perfect for carry duty busting jacks etc. the varmint is my shoot just about anything laying around and when I wanna shoot tight groups gun

Yea, sounds like you got a heck of a deal.