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Curiosity?????
07 November 2016, 17:36
CrazyhorseconsultingCuriosity?????
Why does it seem that some folks are searching so hard for a "One Size Fits All" rifle caliber.
Even the rocks don't last forever.
07 November 2016, 18:21
nopride2Mental masturbation. The question has been
settled with the 375 H&H, but why limit yourself to one.
Dave
07 November 2016, 18:21
PanchoI've already found it, in fact I found 2 of them. 375 H&H and 375 Ruger.
Pancho
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07 November 2016, 19:28
bartschequote:
Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Why does it seem that some folks are searching so hard for a "One Size Fits All" rifle caliber.
If this is a test, the answer is they only want one rifle.
roger
Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone..
07 November 2016, 19:37
Crazyhorseconsultingquote:
f this is a test, the answer is they only want one rifle.
No test, but I figured that was the answer.
I personally like the idea of "Eny, Meny, Miney, Moe. Which gun haven't I killed something with lately"!!!!!!
I will add, that personally if I had to choose one gun out of the ones I own to do all my hunting with for the rest of my life, it would be my .375 H&H.
Even the rocks don't last forever.
07 November 2016, 19:57
B L O'ConnorSpeaking only for myself, I thought the whole point of committing oneself to the shooting sports was to "celebrate diversity."
"Celebrating diversity" is the highest of virtues, right?
07 November 2016, 20:46
Andy#3Ever seen a golfer with one club in his bag? Same answer applies to guns, in my opinion. Andy#3
07 November 2016, 20:58
Mike McGuireMaybe because a rifle is at it s most basic level a survival tool there in an inner desire to have a rifle (and load) where you are ready for anything.
The golf club analogy falls short because you can't carry 9 rifles under your arm.
Actually the shooters I have met over the years who are on the constant search for the all round rifle/load tend in fact to own many rifles and a real gun nuts.
07 November 2016, 21:04
boom stickSauer 404
One gun
Many barrels
08 November 2016, 00:52
wasbeemanMostly, I think, it's to justify buying yet another rifle. Every trip I made to Co and Wy was with a new rifle that I had bought in the spring and spent the summer developing a good loading for and tuning the rifle.
Aim for the exit hole
08 November 2016, 01:57
TASK1quote:
Originally posted by just-a-hunter:
I'm boring but I've worked harder finding a few guns I like than I should have but if I could have one for all of my hunting any more I'll take a boring 30-06...
Todd
Agreed. I think. For sentimental & die-hard practical reasons, I almost said 7X57. Maybe I should have?
08 November 2016, 04:25
adamhunterquote:
Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Why does it seem that some folks are searching so hard for a "One Size Fits All" rifle caliber.
Because those those folks are boring. What fun is just one rifle?
30+ years experience tells me that perfection hit at .264. Others are adequate but anything before or after is wishful thinking.
08 November 2016, 05:13
smallfryPeople idealize their lives, conversely if an ideal "one size fits all" cartridge is too popular they often don't want it. Women these days
I am back from a long Hiatus... or whatever.
Take care.
smallfry
08 November 2016, 05:30
Mike_DettorrePeople go through cycles of "specialization" vs. "practicallity".
Also as we get older we often have a desire to simplify our lives...for example I have now decided that I only need 1 raven haired, 1 blonde, 1 brunette, and 1 redhead girlfriend.
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
08 November 2016, 06:22
sambarman338I guess there are times, places and economic circumstances where making do with just one gun makes sense, such as going to another country to hunt a variety of game. Being really familiar with one stock, safety and trajectory can make your shooting more instinctual. Putting the money you might have spent on several second-rate rifle/scope set-ups into one of demonstrably better quality, might also make sense.
Having more than one barrel set for the same rifle sounds good but a friend who has done it told me it doesn't really work that well. Imagine taking such a 'waffen' to Africa, with one barrel for DG and another for plains game: what happens if the wrong critter turns up?
If you take two separate rifles, you might get a tracker to carry one for you - and it would be ready to go if you need it.
08 November 2016, 06:29
Wstrnhuntrquote:
Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Why does it seem that some folks are searching so hard for a "One Size Fits All" rifle caliber.
Why not? There are plenty that would suffice under many circumstances and simplification has its perks. Not that I am that guy mind you, at least not yet.
I recall one poster a long time ago (dont recall who) made the argument that he would rather have one EXCELLENT rifle then a dozen so-so rifles. In a way that seems like a pretty logical position. But I dont think I will ever go back to being a ONE rifle owner. Got to at least have a spare/back up rig.
AK-47
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08 November 2016, 08:09
memtbNever saw it as an issue of much concern. I've used the same caliber since around '82, the same rifle since '89. It seemed to be a completely logical decision! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
08 November 2016, 08:37
Ray BThe question is the brother to those that ask: "Why do you need more than one gun?" Usually followed with something as "Afterall, you can only shoot one gun at a time".
Problem is, the very same people will own a motorcycle for zipping around town, a sportscar for personal driving on curved roads, a sedan for taking a group on a trip, and a 3/4 ton pickup for moving large items and loads.
Seems liberal politicians are also fond of such questions, with the exception that several ask "Why do you need ANY gun?".
The answer is that there is nothing where "One size fits all". You may have noticed that the ;phrase has been abandoned by makers of virtually everything- having replaced it with "One size fits MOST".
08 November 2016, 09:31
TREE 'EMOne of my buddies is a 1 gun & 1 load man. He hasn't hunted outside the lower 48 but has hunted a dozen + states with his .270. He knows his rifle and its trajectory inside and out. In 30 odd years of hunting with him, I can honestly say he hasn't fouled a shot in more than 20 years now.
He bought a .300 Wby 20 or so years ago, took it to the range once, and it has stayed in the safe ever since.
He focuses more on the hunt than fooling with a new rifle. I sometimes wish I had his mindset.
All We Know Is All We Are
08 November 2016, 11:35
ldmay375Simplification, I suppose; which does have its merit. I am not there.
If I were there, it would be a 338 Win Mag for a medium bore cartridge per the forum classifications. To ward off boredom,I would much prefer 4ea calibers/cartridges in this class.
quote:
Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Why does it seem that some folks are searching so hard for a "One Size Fits All" rifle caliber.
08 November 2016, 15:46
EastcoasterIf there is any mental masturbation going on, it's in the minds of people who build rifle after rifle chambered for superfluous, over lapping cartridges.
Make a list of the world's commonly hunted BG animals...ask yourself how many can't be killed handily with a 270,7mm or 30 caliber of some sort.
Add a 375 or 416 for the rowdy stuff and you're done....aren't you? The rest is nonsense.
08 November 2016, 20:50
TASK1quote:
Originally posted by Eastcoaster:
If there is any mental masturbation going on, it's in the minds of people who build rifle after rifle chambered for superfluous, over lapping cartridges.
Make a list of the world's commonly hunted BG animals...ask yourself how many can't be killed handily with a 270,7mm or 30 caliber of some sort.
Add a 375 or 416 for the rowdy stuff and you're done....aren't you? The rest is nonsense.
Nonsense? The fewer the facts, the stronger the opinion.
08 November 2016, 21:12
Idaho SharpshooterEastcoaster,
how silly. Of course, you have to be able to afford more. And then, there is the joy of planning a new build, purchasing the various components, and settling on a craftsman, or men, to assemble the rifle.
Imagine trying to shoot a 1000 yard match with a regular hunting rifle, or packing a 13.5lb 6PPC (bench rest rifle) around, or...
If necessity forced me to that, I could make do with the rifle dpcd is doing for me. It is a mid-fifties FN commercial Magnum Mauser in 375 H&H. Bartlein matched the contour in 30 caliber, and Tom is fitting it and chambering in 300 H&H.
It will do everything well. I just can't decide if I am neo-classic, retro-classic, or old school.
08 November 2016, 21:39
bartsche C++=horse A most interesting thread .
roger
Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone..
08 November 2016, 21:45
ZekeShikarI can't imagine hunting marmots with a 338 and can't imagine hunting elk with a 222.
There.
You need at least 2 chamberings and we haven't even talked about deer, sheep or antelope.
How can a rifleman call himself such and only have one rifle? Just my way of looking at things
Zeke
09 November 2016, 01:03
EastcoasterWho cares about shooting "matches" or varmints? My only concern is hunting big game animals.
Turn me loose with a blank check, a 300 magnum and a 375H&H....and nothing would get away.And I would have a lot of fun.
You can add rifle activities to make your argument, like the joy of building more rifles, the match shooting, woodchuck, PD or coyote rifle,target guns yada yada....Ive had them all.
Task suppose you tell me what animal on that list of big game can't be killed with those two rifles?(BTW for the sake of simplicity I mention the 300 magnum but the same things can be accomplished with a 270, 280, 7x57,30/07 7 Rem Mag, etc etc.
I mean look what Saeed has done with his 375/404?
09 November 2016, 04:26
Idaho SharpshooterEC,
personally. I think you are full of post-digestive process cattle feed.
Most of us here refuse to limit ourselves, much like a cabinetmaker who has a whole chest full of tools for building things.
Note: just turn me loose in Holland's showroom with the cash. I could have a lot more fun than you can imagine... And then, I am off to Maranello and the Lamborghini factory.
09 November 2016, 05:14
BaxterBI think there is an much worry about shooting smaller game with a bigger rifle as shooting bigger game with a smaller rifle We have been taught we'll blow the poor deer in half with hydrostatic shock and need to "match" the rifle to our "quarry." Thus rolls on the machinations of gun writers and gun sellers. More gun = more fun. But, as Kierkegaard said, "Anxiety is the dizziness of freedom," and so here were are, all of us, dizzy like little kids trying to pick the perfect tool for the job because we think that the tool will make us successful, or more accurately, because we've nothing better to do with our passing time...
The above post regarding Saeed is spot on. He doesn't seem to suffer from this delusion, nor dizziness.
09 November 2016, 05:32
Eastcoasterquote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
EC,
personally. I think you are full of post-digestive process cattle feed.
Most of us here refuse to limit ourselves, much like a cabinetmaker who has a whole chest full of tools for building things.
Note: just turn me loose in Holland's showroom with the cash. I could have a lot more fun than you can imagine... And then, I am off to Maranello and the Lamborghini factory.
IS: Forget the generalizations. Tell me what animals you can't take with either a 300 magnum and a 375H&H?.I'll make it simple and keep it in North America....gimme a list. I'm waiting!
You want to spend money to have fun buying rifles that's a completely different conversation...
But for killing game, greater talents than you and I agree with me.
So Id suggest you're the one full of BS.
I am aware many of us like closets full of rifles, each one just perfect for hunting a specific animal in some environmental niche, but to suggest that they are "required" is silly.
09 November 2016, 08:02
16BoreIt goes full circle and comes right back to the 30-06. Always has, always will.
09 November 2016, 10:15
Cougarzquote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
EC,
personally. I think you are full of post-digestive process cattle feed.
Most of us here refuse to limit ourselves, much like a cabinetmaker who has a whole chest full of tools for building things.
Note: just turn me loose in Holland's showroom with the cash. I could have a lot more fun than you can imagine... And then, I am off to Maranello and the Lamborghini factory.
IS,
It's just an answer to a a question man, lighten up! Besides Laborghini's aren't made in Maranello, Ferarri is. You didn't even get that one right!
Roger
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10 November 2016, 08:12
.366torquequote:
Originally posted by boom stick:
Sauer 404
One gun
Many barrels
boomie! You've gone to the Dark Side?
11 November 2016, 04:00
TASK1quote:
Originally posted by Eastcoaster:
Who cares about shooting "matches" or varmints?
Task suppose you tell me what animal on that list of big game can't be killed with those two rifles?(BTW for the sake of simplicity I mention the 300 magnum but the same things can be accomplished with a 270, 280, 7x57,30/07 7 Rem Mag, etc etc.
Who cares? Lots'a folks.
"Tell you what can't be killed with those 2 rifles?" Can't tell you that - never said you couldn't. Said what "my" choices were. Also said that our acting on our choices is not nonsense.
Cheers.
11 November 2016, 04:30
AtkinsonThere is no such critter as a one gun do all, never has been and never will be, but ignorance can get one buy..Maybe a 300 WBY would come the closest, its killed all the animals of the world, including elephant, and will actually do it all..but its not my cup of tea, I would prefer a 30-06, 7x57, .338 Win. and a .416, and that is my one gun do it all answer..but then we have to have a 222 and a 22 L. R., a savage 99 in .308 and 250 savage, a 94 Win. in 25-35 and 30-30, now I can get by with that..one gun? not in my lifetime.
but if you forced me to walk across Africa or Alaska with only one gun and a pocket or two of ammo in one pack..I suppose I would opt for my old worn out win. mod 70 FWT, in 30-06 with 180 or 200 gr. Nosler partitions and a box of solids.
Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
10 Ward Lane,
Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-731-4120
rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com
11 November 2016, 07:20
TASK1quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
There is no such critter as a one gun do all, never has been and never will be, but ignorance can get one buy..Maybe a 300 WBY would come the closest, its killed all the animals of the world, including elephant, and will actually do it all..but its not my cup of tea, I would prefer a 30-06, 7x57, .338 Win. and a .416, and that is my one gun do it all answer..but then we have to have a 222 and a 22 L. R., a savage 99 in .308 and 250 savage, a 94 Win. in 25-35 and 30-30, now I can get by with that..one gun? not in my lifetime.
but if you forced me to walk across Africa or Alaska with only one gun and a pocket or two of ammo in one pack..I suppose I would opt for my old worn out win. mod 70 FWT, in 30-06 with 180 or 200 gr. Nosler partitions and a box of solids.
"....but ignorance can get one by."
"....old worn out win. mod 70 FWT, in 30-06 with 180 or 200 gr. Nosler partitions and a box of solids."
Amen.