Jon B.'s thread regarding what range do you shoot elk has got me thinking again about a little project I'd like to do.

First, I have a nice HR Precision stock that will match to a long-action model 70 (post 64). So, the cartridge would have to fit said action.

Second, I already have a .270, so please recommend something larger diameter.

Third, I can't imagine shooting further than 400 yds, and more likely not further than 300.

There's no hurry with this build. I've been looking at a number of "donors" on gunbroker and have some ideas myself, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Thanks in advance, and God bless,

friar

30-06, 300 win mag or a .338 win mag
Any of them will work, the .338 will be more than adequate for all.

I'd go with the 338 Win Mag. It would be a nice companion to your .270.

As mentioned before, the .270 Win, .338 Win Mag combination is hard to beat for North America.

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a long-action model 70 (post 64). So, the cartridge would have to fit said action.

assuming your post 64 action is for a .473 bolt face (.30-06 size) I'd heartliy recommend a .30-06 as it's still a major league round.

One can also look to the .338-06 or the .35 Whelen and I'd venture to say the 9.3 X 62 would fit that action as well......all heavy duty hitters.

If your action is for a .532 bolt face (magnum) it'll be very hard to beat the old .300 Win Mag.

Sorry - I could be more clear: it's only the stock that I have at this time. It would fit any long-action post 64 model 70.

While I'm at it, the stock was made specifically with a .30-06 length push-feed action (for a "lightweight" .270). Am I right to assume that:

1. A controled-round post 64 action should still fit the stock, &

2. The stock will still acomodate a .300 WM length action?

Many thanks,

friar

I know a Montana big game guide and an african PH that just love the 338wm.

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Originally posted by friarmeier:
Sorry - I could be more clear: it's only the stock that I have at this time. It would fit any long-action post 64 model 70.

While I'm at it, the stock was made specifically with a .30-06 length push-feed action (for a "lightweight" .270). Am I right to assume that:

1. A controled-round post 64 action should still fit the stock, &



Many thanks,

friar

I wouldn't bet on it!!!

I have a push feed .270 that needed an insert to fit a new M-70 stock I bought on gunbroker so I know there's some mismatch somewhere....not sure where it is!

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2. The stock will still acomodate a .300 WM length action?

I believe the answer is yes to that count!

Personally, I'd discount the stock you currently own and look for a used 7mm Mag on gunbroker....there's a lot of them for sale and can be quite reasonably when you find someone that actually wants to sell it.....most guns at that auction site are never bid on.....their starting price is out of the ball park.

With a bit of patience you should be able to pick up a push feed M-70 in 7-Mag for under $400. I bought a .270 there for $350 plus shipping.......and if you're set on a controlled feed gun then stick it out until you get one.....but I'll say right now.....they are much overrated.....the pushfeed guns are excellent guns

I cant speak for the a post 64 stock fitting a pre 64 action, but the 300 & 338 WM are all standard length "long action" like the 30-06 and will fit.
If you are a reloader, I would say build a 338-06. If not, the 30-06, 300WM & 338WM are all fine choices.

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Originally posted by friarmeier:
Jon B.'s thread regarding what range do you shoot elk has got me thinking again about a little project I'd like to do.

First, I have a nice HR Precision stock that will match to a long-action model 70 (post 64). So, the cartridge would have to fit said action.

Second, I already have a .270, so please recommend something larger diameter. Third, I can't imagine shooting further than 400 yds, and more likely not further than 300.

There's no hurry with this build. I've been looking at a number of "donors" on gunbroker and have some ideas myself, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Thanks in advance, and God bless,

friar

What you just described is the .30-06 to a T.

.338 Winchester Magnum.

The 338WM would be hard to beat for a purpose built rifle, gives you plenty of range for those long shots and plenty of punch for those less than ideal shot presentations.
If you wanted more versatility, something in 308cal gives you more bullet choices.
Of course there's nothing wrong with any of the bored out -06 derivatives either.
Aw the heck with it, buy a 375H&H!

I had that very decision to make in 1999 for a Alaska Yukon Moose hunt in the Farewell Burn. I had shot a .308 Win and .300 Win for years and had taken a Brown Bear with the .300. That experience moved me to want something larger and I picked a .340 Weatherby. It did the job perfectly and I later started shooting a .338 Lapua and .358 STA that would also be excellent choices. I wasn't so much concerned about the Moose, but learned great respect for the big Bears and the Burn had hundreds. Good shooting.

I'd go .35 Whelen and never look back. Hell! I already have three of them. What's not to like. A stiff charge of RL15 and the 225 gr. Barnes TSX and I'm good to go.
Paul B.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Originally posted by friarmeier:
Sorry - I could be more clear: it's only the stock that I have at this time. It would fit any long-action post 64 model 70.

While I'm at it, the stock was made specifically with a .30-06 length push-feed action (for a "lightweight" .270). Am I right to assume that:

1. A controled-round post 64 action should still fit the stock, &



Many thanks,

friar

I wouldn't bet on it!!!

I have a push feed .270 that needed an insert to fit a new M-70 stock I bought on gunbroker so I know there's some mismatch somewhere....not sure where it is!

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2. The stock will still acomodate a .300 WM length action?

I believe the answer is yes to that count!

Personally, I'd discount the stock you currently own and look for a used 7mm Mag on gunbroker....there's a lot of them for sale and can be quite reasonably when you find someone that actually wants to sell it.....most guns at that auction site are never bid on.....their starting price is out of the ball park.

With a bit of patience you should be able to pick up a push feed M-70 in 7-Mag for under $400. I bought a .270 there for $350 plus shipping.......and if you're set on a controlled feed gun then stick it out until you get one.....but I'll say right now.....they are much overrated.....the pushfeed guns are excellent guns

I agree with vapo's opinion of the push-feed Winchesters. I picked one up in 30-06 for just over $300 and it's one of my favorite rifles. There are some real bargains out there when it comes to PF Winchesters. (Plus, if you get one in 7mag, it can easily be rebarreled to .338wm).

338-06 or maybe the 35 Whelen. Why beat yourself up with a magnun when it is not really needed for your purposes. It would ge well with the .270 too, being just enough bigger and more powerful without going to extremes.

As mentioned, if it fits the bolt face, a 35 Whelan or 338-06 gets my vote. I'm partial to the 338-06 as I built on in 2008 in the Ackley version.

If not, 338WM is my definate next choice to go with your 270.

Mighty Peace, Vapodog and Woodrow hit the nail on the head with the 338-06 or 35 Whelen. If you are into magnums the 338WM also is as good as it gets. As Mighty Peace, I'm partial to the 338-06. I too have a 270 and together with a 338 cal think that is an awesome combo. Cheers.

338-06 in a 21" barrel

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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a long-action model 70 (post 64). So, the cartridge would have to fit said action.

assuming your post 64 action is for a .473 bolt face (.30-06 size) I'd heartliy recommend a .30-06 as it's still a major league round.

One can also look to the .338-06 or the .35 Whelen and I'd venture to say the 9.3 X 62 would fit that action as well......all heavy duty hitters.

If your action is for a .532 bolt face (magnum) it'll be very hard to beat the old .300 Win Mag.

I second that motion, though I wouldn't bother with the 9.3x62 for deer up through moose.!

That standard action does well with the 9.3x62....in my op. it kills with exceptional authority. The .338-06 with its range of bullet selection is another, IMO, its the perfect caliber.
my .02

I think the .338 win is a top choice also.
I would take that stock with you to a gun show and wait till you find the rifle you wamt. there are several diferent post 64 actions.
and if you find a 7 mag or a 300 besure you shoot it befor you rebarrel.
THOSE ARE GREAT ELK ROUNDS TOO...TJ3006

7x64, 30-06, 338-06, or 35 whelen ..
will deliver the goods with boring alacrity

Most well-designed expanding bullets open up to double the caliber after impact. So the .30-06 should be more than ample with a .60 cal hole! The 180 grain bullet should do fine.

Thanks everyone - no doubt this gives me a lot to think about!

A few of you mentioned to be careful regarding the HS Precision stock fitting just any post 64 action. I'll be sure to keep that in mind. I mention the CRF only in that this makes for a greater selection of possible rifles (when looking at gunbroker, for instance). My PF .270 has always done very well, and I'd happily buy another PF.

The .338-06 is a round I hadn't thought of at first; it has me thinking.

A .338 WM was my first thought, and might still be what I end up with. The only downside might be...naw, there isn't a downside, even if I have to use it for an occasional whitetail. Bigger hole can't be bad, right?

The .30-06 is a perennial temptation, for lots of good reasons.

I've never been a .300 WM fan, but could warm up to that too.

I think that at the end of it all, it will mostly depend on what used rifle offers the best deal for the best fit to the stock.

God bless,

friar

Where I live and hunt we have opportunity at both species you are interested in. We also have brown bear and black bear. I would recommend a 338 WM or a 375 H&H. If you do not hunt where there are big bears, I would think 338 would be ideal.

If your shots were no further than 250 yards, I would consider a 9.3 x 62 or the like.

Cheers,

AKMATT

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A .338 WM was my first thought, and might still be what I end up with. The only downside might be...naw, there isn't a downside, even if I have to use it for an occasional whitetail. Bigger hole can't be bad, right?

If you need it for whitetail, try the 200gr Nosler SBT. Many of the standard .338 bullets just punch a .338 hole in, and a .338 hole going out on little whitetales. BT's solve this problem.

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Originally posted by Woodrow S:
338-06 or maybe the 35 Whelen. Why beat yourself up with a magnun when it is not really needed for your purposes. It would ge well with the .270 too, being just enough bigger and more powerful without going to extremes.

+1

Barstooler

Wouldn't go wrong with the 9.3 X 62 - that's probably what I'd drag out if I was going after elk or moose out to 300yds.

No doubt I could do an 06' sized cartridge in a lighter, quicker, more compact rifle than a magnum bolt-face rifle, yes?

As I think about everything folks have shared, I keep gravitating towards a .338 bullet; if only because there are a lot more bullet choices than .35 or 9.3 calibers.

I've also been watching the thread on "all-around .338 bullet". So I guess I'm debating more and more between a .338-06 & the .338 WM

I suppose gunbroker will be the final arbiter!

Thanks for the advice!

friar

p.s. VBS just ended tonight, and on a high note. Always feel better having that under the belt! Now, for 2 weeks vacation

I intend to do nothing and do it slowly!

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I suppose gunbroker will be the final arbiter!

There are very few .338-06 or 9.3 x 62 and a very few .338 Mags on Gunbroker....

One can find a lot of 7-Mags and a few .300 Mags out there.....the .300 Mag is the better of the two for the game you're aiming at.

I have a nice 7mm RM in a Classic M70 that I've been toying with the idea of rebarreling to .338WM, and I already have one.

There's isn't a thing wrong with hunting elk with a 7mm, I have just been impressed with my .338WM so much so that the '06, 7mm, and .270W stay home unless I'm only carrying tags for smaller and then I use a .257 Roberts or .25-06. With a .338WM you'll never consider a .338-06.

First thought was a 9.3 B&M, mostly cause the idea keeps poppin up.. Got a couple 9.3x62s, a 9.3x64 would give ya a little more stank..
338 Edge...somebody refresh my memory, can,t remember what that one is...338 WM has a lot goin for it.

I dont know if its been mentioned on this thread but your post 64 stock will fit any long action up to when they started usihg one piece botttom metal some where about 2009 I think.

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Originally posted by bbell:
I dont know if its been mentioned on this thread but your post 64 stock will fit any long action up to when they started usihg one piece botttom metal some where about 2009 I think.

Thank you bbell - that's the first consideration I have to meet & my biggest concern! Appreciate the help much - thanks!

friar

I intend to do NOTHING on my vacation, and I intend to do it SLOWLY!

Any thing in 7mm to .358 with a minimum useful capacity of 4.35 cc. and minimum bullet of 168 grains for the 7mm and 220 grains for the .358. After that it's all a matter of what you like and what recoil you can tolerate. roger

Lots and lots of great suggestions. However, if it was me, I would just pick up a nice little stainless .338 Ruger Compact Magnum. I have the wood version with a 20 inch barrel and it will push 225 grain Hornady bullets out at 2600 fps so shots out to 250 yards or so should be no problem. If you want a little more velocity, get the Hawkeye with the 22 inch barrel. Never again will I tote a big heavy .338 Win Mag up and down the hills.

Your 270 with a good bullet is just fine. Pop it through the lungs and its done. My first moose was shot with a 308. Moose don't die fast with any caliber unless you shoot them in the head.
If you want to build something new I'd go with a 338-06IMP,35 Whelen IMP,9.3X62 or a 375X280 IMP. The bigger the bore the shorter the range.

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Your 270 with a good bullet is just fine. Pop it through the lungs and its done.

Yessir! I shot a middlin' moose in 08 with this & a 150 gr. A-frame. That bullet broke so much bone, and went through so much heavy muscle that I would do it again in a heartbeat - even square on the shoulder. What's more, I would be completely confident of full penetration on a big bear with that round. And the gun points/shoots like an extension of my mind.

But, I have this wonderful HS Precision stock just waiting to be wed to a wonderful rifle...hence my question

friar

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Originally posted by bartsche:
Any thing in 7mm to .358 with a minimum useful capacity of 4.35 cc. and minimum bullet of 168 grains for the 7mm and 220 grains for the .358. After that it's all a matter of what you like and what recoil you can tolerate. roger

I agree with Bartsche, but would include the 270 with 150+ grain bullets. My personal favorite for elk is the 375 H&H.