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Originally posted by scottfromdallas:

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Originally posted by scottfromdallas:
Not a huge mystery in the states. Americans really don't shoot much over 30 cal. If they need more power they usually go to a 30 magnum before going to a mid bore. The general belief is faster is better rather than bigger is better.

The only over 30 that seems to be somewhat popular is the 338 win Mag.

Hey Scott....did you notice....I stuck a dagger in the back of the .338 Federal while I was at it!

Yeah, you never miss an opportunity to bust my chops about the 338 Federal. You know what I like about you Vapodog?..............................................................................................not a damn thing.

BTW....the .338 Federal still sucks!

Vapo -- i gotta agree .. the 338 federal does nothing the 308 or 358 doesn't do .. but, hey, its all about choices, and folks are free to make em ..

i just wish ruger would make a 257x08 or 257 rcm

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Vapo -- i gotta agree .. the 338 federal does nothing the 308 or 358 doesn't do .. but, hey, its all about choices, and folks are free to make em ..

i just wish ruger would make a 257x08 or 257 rcm

The 338 Federal will shoot 338 bullets. The 308 and 358 won't do that. You and Vapodog are right about killing game. Really not much difference between the 3. You're asking Ruger for a 257-08 and it won't do anything the 257 Roberts or 260 already does.

A little jesting aside here now.....we'd all be better off if we demanded that the firearms industry limited their offerings.....today there are so many that the cost of setup to make ammo is incredible....

If we had only (lets pick a number) 20 standard cartridges to choose from from the ammo makers then the runs will be longer and this increases productivity as the workers are making product and not "preparing" to do so.

As we have no one calling for a .23 caliber or a .29 caliber, we should demand a phasing out of all the odd numbered calibers.....19, 21 .23, .25 (ouch), .27 (double ouch), .31, .33, .35, .37 etc.....

We'd all be better off as while it looks like a festival of choice.....we're all paying for it, and in all honesty.....we're not gaining a thing!

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Originally posted by vapodog:
A little jesting aside here now.....we'd all be better off if we demanded that the firearms industry limited their offerings.....today there are so many that the cost of setup to make ammo is incredible....

If we had only (lets pick a number) 20 standard cartridges to choose from from the ammo makers then the runs will be longer and this increases productivity as the workers are making product and not "preparing" to do so.

As we have no one calling for a .23 caliber or a .29 caliber, we should demand a phasing out of all the odd numbered calibers.....19, 21 .23, .25 (ouch), .27 (double ouch), .31, .33, .35, .37 etc.....

We'd all be better off as while it looks like a festival of choice.....we're all paying for it, and in all honesty.....we're not gaining a thing!

So you think the socialistic approach of limiting free enterprise, should be applied to the firearms industry? Or do you mean by making demands of the firearms industry, that we do it with our buying power, and our wallets? Please clarify.

Can't get rid of the 25s. I love my 257 Roberts too much.

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Originally posted by scottfromdallas:
Can't get rid of the 25s. I love my 257 Roberts too much.

Yup....and my .25-20 ain't going no where either!!!!

It's simply a point.....we're all paying a premium to having so many choices....

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So you think the socialistic approach of limiting free enterprise, should be applied to the firearms industry? Or do you mean by making demands of the firearms industry, that we do it with our buying power, and our wallets?

Go to Winchester's website and see what they are chambering.....they are already doing it... and so are other companies.....they too have a cost associated with inventory and the more chamberings they offer the higher their inventory.... They want to compete and high inventories hurt that.

If you have spent even a fifteen minute stint on the ARPF you will realize that there's not a socialist bone in my body!

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Originally posted by scottfromdallas:
Can't get rid of the 25s. I love my 257 Roberts too much.

Yup....and my .25-20 ain't going no where either!!!!

It's simply a point.....we're all paying a premium to having so many choices....

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So you think the socialistic approach of limiting free enterprise, should be applied to the firearms industry? Or do you mean by making demands of the firearms industry, that we do it with our buying power, and our wallets?

Go to Winchester's website and see what they are chambering.....they are already doing it... and so are other companies.....they too have a cost associated with inventory and the more chamberings they offer the higher their inventory.... They want to compete and high inventories hurt that.

If you have spent even a fifteen minute stint on the ARPF you will realize that there's not a socialist bone in my body!

I still do not understand on how you plan to make demands of the firearms industry. Do you think that the government need to step in and limit the number of chamberings offered, or do you feel that consumers should encourage them to do so by their spending habits? I am not busting you, just trying to understand the logic of your post. Please clarify your position?

God knows I hate to stand up for Vapodog.

I think he is just making a point that if there weren't so many chamberings, ammo prices would be cheaper. I don't think he is trying to get the federal government to step in and limit offerings.

I reload so I like having many choices so I can shoot unpopular rounds like the 257 Roberts and Vap's favorite the 338 Federal.

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Originally posted by scottfromdallas:
God knows I hate to stand up for Vapodog.

I think he is just making a point that if there weren't so many chamberings, ammo prices would be cheaper. I don't think he is trying to get the federal government to step in and limit offerings.

I reload so I like having many choices so I can shoot unpopular rounds like the 257 Roberts and Vap's favorite the 338 Federal.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Vapo -- i gotta agree .. the 338 federal does nothing the 308 or 358 doesn't do .. but, hey, its all about choices, and folks are free to make em ..

This is the post I was replying to.....my point is that there's a price we pay to have all these choices and they we actually gain little to nothing by having them.

Scott has it right.....in no manner did I suggest (or mean to suggest) any gov't intervention in this subject!

We already have too much of that!

the cost of brass and loaded ammunition goes up (across the line, sadly) every time they add a new one. That SKU thing at work. That said, the bean counters think in lieu of offering better quality firearms, they can add goofy chamberings and boost sales.

Take two of my least favorites.

1. the 416 Remington. It exists because those tight-asses aren't willing to do it right and bring out a CRF action that they could chamber for the Rigby. Copy CZ, and make one that will take three rounds of 505 Gibbs and take a bite out of the market. Instead, they buy Dakota.
That's a winner for you. The world needs more seven-thousand dollar boltguns with crappy wood. Meanwhile they have a lot of prejudice against the non-CRF 700 and a high pressure round.

2. 375/416 Rugers. Just bring out a new model RSM big enough for the Gibbs, like you should have done twenty years ago.

In my humble opinion, nothing of a real improvement has been done in bolt action rifles since the '98 Mauser came out, with the exception of scaling it up to create the double square bridge magnum model.

Rich
that's my opinion, guaranteed by the Constitution.

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We'd all be better off as while it looks like a festival of choice.....we're all paying for it, and in all honesty.....we're not gaining a thing!

Right on ! roger

Dinasours...
Oh I love the whine..

Having said that one of my favorite rifles is a 7X57 Brno 21H made in 54..
Others are a 700 Ti in .270 Win. and a Remington M7 stainless in .260 Rem.
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And the .260 is a mediocre design roger
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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
the cost of brass and loaded ammunition goes up (across the line, sadly) every time they add a new one. That SKU thing at work.

actually, no .. ammo, until the 2008 elections, had not kept up with inflation.


--on the 338 shooting .338 bullets .. well, what did you expect it to shoot, cantalopes?