Any ideas?

What does "need" have anything to do with firearms?

This is the way I have it set up Woodjack
7X57 Brno 21H
8X57 Brno 21H
9.3's (X57,X62,X74R).. but no X64 Brenneke
the X74 is on order
Bases covered~ ....except for coytoes & wolves.

Again, what does need have to do with it. 8X57 if you want to stay classic or 8mm-06 if wildcat inclined.

30-06

8x68S - man, what a fantastic cartridge. It would fit nicely in the middle.

just exactly what Pinotguy said! How about 70gr ofIMR4350 pushing the standard 170gr bullet a titch over 3000fps?

Rich
DRSS

What a choice, only the world to choose from. Well, I just bought a .280 Remington.

LLS

8x60 or 8x68S -depends on what you want/need.

In the real world (where few of us reside) the 7x57 and 9.3x64B would take care of most any game anywhere in the world.

But why spoil the fun?

A 300 Mag would be my choice.
The winchester will do fine for me.

I use mine for those times that I may have to shoot game at 300 yards and farther.

You can pick the correct bullet for the game being hunted be it antelope or elk sized game.

I like the 308 for general purpose hunting, the 300 Win Mag if the ranges are longer, and the 375 H&H for big stuff in the thick.

These are my Bolt rifle choices.

In a world of Ideals I would shunt the 7x57 reshuffle the deck and go
6.5x55
8x60s
9.3x64B

Perhaps a German pre-WWII double rifle in 8x57IRS?

Woodjack,
Mathematically speaking, .325 falls smack dab in between the .284 and .366 diameters.

So anything in .323 caliber would be my choice.
Any of the 8mm's, 325, or what about the 318 WR?

8mm screams European to me so I would look for a 8x68.

Thirding 8x68s.

358 Norma, 340 Weatherby, 338 Winchester in that order!

A quality ( accurate ) light weight 30-30 single shot. roger

How about a .340 Wby, .338 Lapua or .358 STA. These have put much game on my table for a long time and hopefully will in the future. Good shooting.

In the real world, there's nothing you couldn't take -- and quite well! -- with a .243 Winchester and a .375 H&H. That combination would do for everything from ground squirrels to elephant.

If you want something in between, a 30-06 or any of the .300 magnums would do very well.

30 Holland's Super!

Rich
DRSS

quote:

Originally posted by LE270:
In the real world, there's nothing you couldn't take -- and quite well! -- with a .243 Winchester and a .375 H&H. That combination would do for everything from ground squirrels to elephant.

If you want something in between, a 30-06 or any of the .300 magnums would do very well.

Hmm, I guess I will dissagree on that one.

The 375 is too much for 90 percent of everything and not enough for the other 10 percent.

The 243 is the same.

quote:

Originally posted by Woodjack:
Any ideas?

My own set up is:

.270 weatherby for longrange small game
.300 H&H longrange bigger game
.8x57 mauser(carbine) for the forrest shortrange
.333 Jeffery for african game like kudu etc
.416 Rigby for african biggame.

I would say you would be needing a good flat shooting caliber, and since you have european caliber allready a 8x68S would fill the gab..
The 8x68 can be loaded from 150-250grain in bullet weights, which makes it versatile.

quote:

Originally posted by pinotguy:
8x68S - man, what a fantastic cartridge. It would fit nicely in the middle.

Absolutely!

For 10 years now i am infected by this fine construction!

The only rifles I have nowadays are 7x64, 8x60 or 9.3x62.

Brenneke figured you could pretty much take all the worlds game with his 7x64, 8x64 and 9.3x64. Smart fellow.

Of course, if you prefer magnums, there is always the 6.5x68 and 8x68.

methinks the only niche is a larger bullet with lower recoil like the 8x57 or 358 win

338 federal, 338 win mag, 358 win, 35 whelen, 350 remy mag, and the 9.3x74R are my favorites because they is what i got.

In terms of wildcat, considering a 9.3x86 or 9.3/375R.

I'm with Mr. Stick. In a metric, 8x57, especially if you could find it chambered in something interesting. In inches how about a 338 Federal? Or a 358 Winchester...

I'm with BlackHawk...and surprised no one else had said the same...

30/06!

Roger might have a point in a 30/30.. but for serious hunting I'd go with the 06....

If someone choosed a 300 Mag.. well you really wouldn't need the 7 x 57 or the 9.3 x 64 Brenneke....

the 06 and 7mm are too close in diameter and performane and both are awesome so dont go there...

He should probably go "all Euro" with the 8x57 or get fancy with the 9,3x57

with the 9,3x57 he has all the components he needs

http://www.chuckhawks.com/9-3x57_mauser.htm

3o cal

what is the niche between a light medium bore mid velocity cart and heavy mid magnum?

Either a magnum light medium like the 300 win/7mag or a moderate velocity heavy mid like the 358 win category...

I would lean twards a heavy medium bore moderate velocity in a light compact quick handeling "woods gun"

But in terms of meeting in the middle in terms of capacity and bore it is a 338-06 8-06 or 35 whelen are the "in the middle" carts.

Ahh... What a wonderful question!
I've been pondering something along these lines myself, as well. Although my question has been what in addition(s) to a 9,3x62.

To answer your question: nothing is needed.
I mean, when the 7mm is not anymore enough, then the 9,3mm will step in. And if the 9,3mm is too big (when is that?), then the 7mm is very good. So what game would a middle-man be needed for, in actual fact?

I view the borderline to be something like a whitetail deer, which the 7mm handles very well, but on which the 9,3 is also commonly used. But if game gets bigger (elk) or more dangerous (bear, wild boar), then the 7mm starts to become a bit too little; and on smaller game, say, roe deer, the 9,3 is quite heavy, indeed.
Also the 7x57 is very flat shooting so I don't really see a need for a flat shooter, either.

Even having said that, either caliber could actually very well be your only gun.
After all, the 9,3 will kill smaller game no problem and Bell and Foran used the 7mm on elephant...

But as has been pointed out in the thread, what has need to do with it...

I'd probably hit an 8mm myself, possibly a .338. As you know, the 8mm is actually 8,2mm and .338 is 8,5mm so there's not much inbetween. It's more of a matter of whether you're in Europe or U.S. which may effect the availability of ammo and even bullets for handloading.

If an 8mm then I think I'd fall for either 8x64 or 8x68S, again not a big difference. And by so saying I do not disregard the good 8x57. In my view, the others extend further than the 57 so that's why I wouldn't choose it.

If a .338 then probably .338-06.
If you're in Europe (as the calibers suggest; in the U.S. you'd have hell's own time finding ammo, I believe), you might consider the 8,5x63 as per Fuhrmann's suggestion on the nitroexpress.com forum.
Why not a .338 Federal? Same reason as not the 8x57: the longer cases will give more flexibility if needed.

Should you need a flat shooter, though (mountains, plains), I think a .300 magnum or 7mm magnum would make a good case. Inasmuch as they are in actual fact any more flat shooting than the 8x68S!

Why not a .30?
Because it's so close to the 7mm (actually 7,2mm) that there'd in my opinion not really be any point to it.
And I do love the .30-06 so for once I'm trying to be objective, here.

I would stick a 300 H&H or 300 Win. mag. in there I suppose...lot of good choices out there.

9,3x62 or 9,3x57 but the 57 is the better answer

I'd say it's an issue of set up and fall back.

Set the 7x57 up for lighter game with a standard 140gr. If your bigger rifle goes wrong it can cover.

Set the 9.3 up for big big game drive hunting etc all of which will be at 200m or shorter

Set the 30-06 or 8x57S/8x60S/8x64 up with a quality mid range premium bullet such as a 165gr partition (30-06) or 180gr TSX (8mm) and cover both bases perfectly well with a bit more range than the 9.3. A perfect elk or large red deer rifle that won't tear a roe to pieces or bounce off a moose or wreck you shoulder.

If a shooter has rifles in both calibers, then he only needs airfare and trophy fees.
IMHO

I don't think it's a question of "needs". Is it ever with these sort of inquiries?

If you don't have a utilitarian need for anything in between, go with what you find 2 be da cooolest. In my mind that means bigger or odd, but that's just me.

Final vote... 35 Whelen or 318. No one has mentioned the 325 wsm, but I guess there's some good reasoning behind said restraint.

I guess I don't really see a gap between the 7x57 and the 9.3x64. I have a 7x57 and a couple of 9.3x62s and think there's actually a fair bit of overlap in the middle.

But I also have a Mauser in 8x57JS, which I think would just have to be the classic gap filler in this case.

Well the 30-30 SS didn't seem to go over too greatly as a serious hunting rifle???? ??????????,so lets try a .35 Rem. older slide action with a forward mounted scout styled scope.Smooth, fast handeling and deadly to 150 yds.+.

I know there is a lac of sophistication on my part but what's a fella to do? roger

I'm going with the 8x57 too... Mines the "jrs" variety, and it just keeps on keeping on, year after year after year on everything i hunt with it...

I harvested this buck a few days ago with it...



Last year,



Year Before that,



And on back....





I could go on and on, but instead i'll go all the way back to the first animial i harvested with this gun/cartridge!



You just have to love those 200NP's at 2,550 mv!!

DM

.330 cal 250 grs bullet at 2400 fps sectional density 0.328. Splendid what ho, chaps?