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When shooting a shotgun, you must have both eyes open to shoot your best. You're shooting moving targets and your focus must be on the target, not the bead. Shotguns are fitted to shoot where you look. That's how they're "sighted in". If the focus shifts to the barrel or the bead, the swing slows and generally causes misses behind the target.

I just picked my buddy's brain about this topic with rifles. He says the more you can see the better you will shoot. This is particularly important while shooting moving targets with a rifle. He says that increasing your field of view even with stationary targets will result in better success.
 
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Using a scope with both eyes open has always been the fastest way to acquire the target. Once acquired, the off eye can be closed if desired. But starting out with one eye closed as the gun is raised makes it slower to pick up the target. The higher the magnification of the scope, the worse this effect can be.

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When shooting a shotgun, you must have both eyes open to shoot your best. You're shooting moving targets and your focus must be on the target, not the bead. Shotguns are fitted to shoot where you look. That's how they're "sighted in". If the focus shifts to the barrel or the bead, the swing slows and generally causes misses behind the target.

These two quotes say it all. I shoot alot of Trap and Skeet and for these reasons, I shoot everything, shotguns-pistols-rifles, with both eyes open.

A problem exists if you are "opposite" eye dominant, ie left eye dominant for a right hand shooter. This can be overcome by placing a small piece of tape on your shooting glasses lens so that your "opposite" eye cannot see your front sight, but you still have your peripheral view and depth perception.


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both eyes wide open is the way.


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both eyes wide open is the way.
OK, I'll give it another try. What are the actual benefits?


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When shooting a shotgun, you must have both eyes open to shoot your best. You're shooting moving targets and your focus must be on the target, not the bead. Shotguns are fitted to shoot where you look. That's how they're "sighted in". If the focus shifts to the barrel or the bead, the swing slows and generally causes misses behind the target.

I just picked my buddy's brain about this topic with rifles. He says the more you can see the better you will shoot. This is particularly important while shooting moving targets with a rifle. He says that increasing your field of view even with stationary targets will result in better success.
 
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I was taught both eyes open with all sights including scopes. Eye fatigue was an issue ,but more important was peripheral vision for situational awareness.

Recently , and I can not remember where , I read of a high speed photographic study of competitive shooters that in fact showed a blink or a closing of the of side eye in most of the competitors in a shotgunning event at the instant of firing ,though most denied closing an eye. If I can dig out the article ,I'll reference it.


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but more important was peripheral vision for situational awareness.
This is exactly my concern! I have found myself shooting too close to the horizon and I have had a fellow shooter move forward of my 'firing line' while I was shooting! (True, he should be aware of me but, like me, he can and did make a mistake! But shooting close to the horizen risks a bullets flying into who knows where and that is very, very serious!) I tend to be rather anal about gun safety but the thing is, I kill things with a gun and to me a gun is a very serious object, not to be taken lightly! (Actually, it's the bullet coming out of the gun that is so serious!)


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Shooting off a bench /w 20x scope, I find that both eyes open gives a clearer image in the scope. Eye relief seems better, less prone to dodging, losing the image in the eyepiece.

At 20x, the unaided eye doesn't see a thing.

Trap shooting, we're supposed to point/shoot w/ both eyes open. I close the left, get the lead on the bead, then open both eyes and shoot.

Your mileage may vary.
 
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I like alot of others here tend to shoot off the bench with both eyes open. I've even tried to make myself close the other eye and I just can't see as well.
When shooting at an animal I really can't say wether I have both open or not. Wasnt really paying attention to that.
 
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Well, I went hunting on Saturday and totally forgot the eyes thing.... But, we had an incident in which my companion shot my quarry! I couldn't figure this one out at first - he said he took the one on the right but shot the one on the left. I'm betting he picked up the wrong target in his scope. I could only see one of the animals in my scope. I have done that before with a 12 power scope! And I have fired too close to the horizon without knowing it! Closing one eye at the last moment makes sense to me.


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I was taught to shoot both eyes open using open sights and when much later I started using scopes, it was a fairly simple transition - I'm actually left eye dominant, but it didn't take long to 'train' my brain to give more attention to the image seen thru the scope by my right eye.

Great for target acquisition and situational awareness... especially when 'bombing up' a mob of pigs... after you take your first shot, can see where the other bastards are running before your mates can... hehehehe.. annoys the crap out of teenagers when 'The Ol' Fart' seemingly has extrasensory powers.... LOLOLOL

Even better when 'The Ol' Fart' rubs it in by asking a really simple question.... ie "didn't you see 'em?"

Answer - "nope"... Ol' Fart sets the hook... well I did... LOLOLOLOL

My young bloke can do it (coz I trained him) but his mates can't.... and it annoys the crap out of them.

I think it's called 'Parent's Revenge' or 'Old age and rat cunning'...


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I think it's called 'Parent's Revenge' or 'Old age and rat cunning'...
Good One! thumb Big Grin


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Hey 303!

You look just like "Flippy"!!!



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Aahh....! Us good looking fellows all look the same! Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin We are both Bruce Willis in disguise! Big Grin (I spelt that wrong, didn't I? It looks wrong!) bewildered


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Ha!

I'm glad you didn't ask which one was me in my pic!
 
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I'm glad you didn't ask which one was me in my pic!

I was wayyyy to slow to think of it! Big Grin

So, .... which one is you?

Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin


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both eyes wide open is the way.
OK, I'll give it another try. What are the actual benefits?


You learn to look through binos or with your bare eye and see the big picture not just the game but other animals grandpa and his cows the truck etc. then with both eyes wide open you bring the rifle into your line of sight while still looking at the target this is lots faster and more accurate way to identify the target you have seen bare eyed through the scope. once you get use to it you can then look through the scope a long time without eye strain. if you close one eye you start to cheat and look around with your scope and not your binos and you start "driving the pipe" and sooner or later you will meet the
'screw fairy"


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I always shoot every rifle with both eyes open, no matter what the power. I've read a number of times that you can't do it with over 6x- BS on my part. I shoot both eyes open on every rifle I own. I shoot a handgun with both eyes as well as of course a shotgun. I am also somewhat ambidextrous, so maybe that has something to do with it. I can do pretty much anything lefty, was a switch hitter (not sexually!) I can even write fairly well with both- neither are particularly legible.


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I'm still wading through the Gun Rags my buddy sent and found another article which caught me by surprise. The Hack was talking about using a Scope with "both eyes open".

Perhaps I need to read it again, but I got the impression this began with our current Military using a small ACOG(?) Red Dot Sight while kicking doors open in Iraq. And apparently they have gone from 1x Red Dots to something like 3x or 4x and still use Both Eyes Open.

Then someone decided it would be the best way to use a regular scope. And the Hack said it took about an hour of "training" for him to use a regular scope the same way. And he got into the Master Eye, Focus Shifting, Eye Switching, etc. explainations, as if that made it clear.

I've NEVER tried this with a Scope. Does shooting with both eyes open while using a scope make any sense at all to anyone? If so, fill me in.


Can't do it. Can't even do it with a shotgun (with no scope, obviously).

IMHO, cutting through the "what you should and shouldn't do" nonsense, in my case it's simply because I shoot right handed but do not have an overpoweringly dominant right eye.

My left eye is shifty. Sometimes it will exert its dominance and wreck an otherwise good shot. Other times it will be lazy and let my right eye take over.

So, I close my left eye with a clamped down wink, and let my hesitant right eye take over. Only then do I hit without fail (unless my muscles revolt, which does sometimes happen and which on such occasions does thereby wreak an annoying interference with an otherwise unblemished perfection).

Both eyes open shooting only works for the fortunate few for whom the fey fealty of feckless frailty has foamed forth faithlessly from an otherwise frequently fecund font of forthright faith.

Now, I must say good night and fare thee well, as I am plumb out of F-words.


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Both eyes open shooting only works for the fortunate few for whom the fey fealty of feckless frailty has foamed forth faithlessly from an otherwise frequently fecund font of forthright faith.
Thanks, mrlexma. I feel a lot less inadequate now. I just cannot do it either! Anyway, I'm not young enough to change my ways. Big Grin

Needless to say, that was a real funny post!


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I have always shot with both eyes open but as a guide I am extremely happy when my clients manage to shoot with even one eye open. Big Grin


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I'm still wading through the Gun Rags my buddy sent and found another article which caught me by surprise. The Hack was talking about using a Scope with "both eyes open".

Perhaps I need to read it again, but I got the impression this began with our current Military using a small ACOG(?) Red Dot Sight while kicking doors open in Iraq. And apparently they have gone from 1x Red Dots to something like 3x or 4x and still use Both Eyes Open.

Then someone decided it would be the best way to use a regular scope. And the Hack said it took about an hour of "training" for him to use a regular scope the same way. And he got into the Master Eye, Focus Shifting, Eye Switching, etc. explainations, as if that made it clear.

I've NEVER tried this with a Scope. Does shooting with both eyes open while using a scope make any sense at all to anyone? If so, fill me in.


I do it all the time. But I am very right eye dominate. That means I only "see" with the right eye in most cases.

My uncle taught me that way, saying you can seen movement off to your left side very easy that way. Much like shooting a shot gun with both eyes open.

I also use a microscope that way!

Not everyone can do that though. Some will see a "split" picture and will have it destroy their aim. Others are off eye dominate and can't do it at all.

I guess it just depends.
 
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I dont think I have super powers and with a rifle I shoot with either hand both eyes open. shotguns get hard to shoot wrong side and both eyes open but once you get back in the swing it is not imposible.

I know some people dont do it that way I never thought so many people could not, Just figured it was a would not kinda thing. I was trained to do it from go with a guy standing over me screaming at the back of my head so I guess I never knew any other way.


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Normally, if I keep both eyes open it is very hard for me to aim, but by closing one eye, aiming, then opening it again, I can still see my sight on my target while normally I would not.

So here it is: Close one eye- aim- open eye- shoot


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I have been trying to aim (not shoot) with both eys open and I just have not been able to get my 'eyes' around it yet. I get 'split images' and lose the target. Then again, I don't actually have a problem other than when I use more than five or six power. Half my problem probably stems from my companions not seeing what I can see through my scope and the tendency for them to move forward when I am aiming for a shot then blaming me for shooting from 'behind the line'. Actually, I held off shooting until I was in line with them again but they didn't see that part. The bad part was when I did not see how close to the horizon my target was when I fired! That I am not happy about.


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Both eyes open for me. I am a right hand shooter, left ey dominate. I find as I am getting older my shooting eye is giving me grief. I know if I cover my left eye it makes things much better.


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Both eyes open? You bet!

Aperature and express sights and dots
- no problem. Bullhorns are a little
tougher. Scopes above 2-3/4x are hard.

It takes practice.
 
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