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Muzzlebraked 340 Weatherby has the same recoil as the 338-06. | ||
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The only benefit I believe the 338-06 has is one more round. | |||
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Not sure where you are hoping to steer this. How far past 300 yds are you talking about ?? My 338-06 is the Ackley Imp version so it may gat 50 fps more than a std 338-06 but I doubt it is much more. I guess it would also depend on what bullet you are planning on using. My rifle likes bullets in the 200 to 210 gr range. The 210 gr Barnes and the 210 gr partition shoot very well. They can also be started at 2800 to 2850 fps. The 225 gr Speer Spitzer BT also shoots very accurate and can be stated at close to 2800 FPS muzzle vel. When zeroed @ 200 yds they have a capable trajectory past 300 yds. I think the biggest issue would be the hunter must be capable of estimating the range and be a capable marksman. | |||
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Those numbers are close to my .338 WM, and I have killed a truckload of stuff with it, including one elk well past 300, although if I had to kill one at 500 or more I would pick my .338 Edge or one of my LMs, not a .340 WBY. | |||
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Why wouldn't it work? I suspect it doesn't go subsonic until past 800. It has more than enough energy to kill elk way out there. It might not shoot as flat as the .340, but if you know your trajectories and the range, it's no more difficult than the bigger gun. Really the issue is the operator pointing it right. | |||
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54 years ago, my 303 British, shooting a 150 grain CIL Sabretip bullet (mv about 2700 fps) killed a bull elk at 350 so I suppose a 338-06 should do the same easily enough. Of course, those were not the armor-plated elk we have today. Test your rifle and yourself at the range you count as your limit and , if you can hit every time, you'll be OK. Regards, Bill. | |||
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Really want to start a fight, ask what is required to effectively kill an elk at 300 yards? | |||
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A bullet. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Bill, you crack me up, we all used .303s for our hunting then and the late Joe Guilbeault, was a mentor of mine when stationed in Nelson. I still think the old round with a 180 bullet and good peep sight is perfectly suited for any BC hunting and have seen more than one Grizzly cleanly killed with the old CIL 180KKSP. But, I might now need some sharp gunmaker to build me a .50Cal BMG, just in case.......... | |||
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Do you own a 340 or a 338-06? Are you struggling with a buy decision? I am back from a long Hiatus... or whatever. Take care. smallfry | |||
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In a word, yes and quite effectively Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Not sure what is trying to be accomplished here. I personally saw a 5x5 bull elk killed cleanly at 500 yards + or - yards with One Shot from a .270 Winchester using a 150 grain bullet. If a .338-06 can not match that, the problem is with the Shooter, NOT the gun. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Where does it drop below 1800fps? | |||
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Without any doubt at all. And you can still hear after the well placed bullet has does its work. Muzzle brake comparison answer without being asked. Good hunting wishes to you! "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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Wind factor comparing the 338-06 to the 340 WEATHERBY/338 REMINGTON ULTRA/338 LAP cancels the 338-06. As I stated earlier, a muzzle braked 340 has the same recoil as the 338-06. The only reasons to shoot the 338-06 are if you want to rebarrel a Remington 760/7600 and build a brush gun for guiding. The other reason is 1 extra round in the magazine | |||
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and 60grains of powder to 80! I would happily shoot an elk at 300 yds + with my 338/06 30+ years experience tells me that perfection hit at .264. Others are adequate but anything before or after is wishful thinking. | |||
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I made a mistake on the vote & pushed no, so one more vote for yes here, great caliber ! | |||
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That or you simply have class!   Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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Corey, I guess I never thought when I had my Kimber re-barreled to 338-06 that I was trying to match the bigger 338's in performance. In my mind it just upped the performance of the 30-06 while still maintaining very moderate recoil and shootability over normal hunting ranges. I think with a 185 TTSX at close to 3000 fps or the 210 TTSX at 2750 fps I could be happy hunting with the 338-06 for most anything but the largest of game. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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I have used the 338 win.mag 31 years and the 338-378'weatherby 20 years .There is a huge difference between those too .The 338-378 shoots like a big varmint rifle .I have shot.deer out to 425 yards with.the 338 win.mag and caribou out to 450 yards with.the 338-378 .A friend in.Alaska borrowed one of my 338 win mags loved it shot seven.moose in seven years 15 yards to 350 yards all fell in.their tracks .The 338-06 is about 200 fps slower than.the 338 win mag so 300 yards would be my limit with it .I am thinking of buying either a 338 federal or building a light 338-06 myself to tote easier lots lighter ! | |||
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Guess it depends on whether or not a typewriter is being used to kill the elk. | |||
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The other issue at play here is obviously accuracy. MV doesn't make a long range rifle, accuracy does. Of course, launching high BC bullets helps with the wind, but given the same bullet, I will take accuracy every time. | |||
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If wanna play you gotta pay. Vais muzzle brake isn't cheap | |||
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I would, and probably shoot a 338-06 one day but with Barnes 160's TTSX at deer, not moose or elk. | |||
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Same action as my 340, mkv | |||
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Browning A-Bolt 270. Win was my first rifle and I am accustomed to 60 degree bolts. | |||
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I've killed elk with the 338-06 and the 338 win. which is now my go to elk rifle...and yes, if you can hit them in a kill zone they both will kill elk, moose, deer, whatever about as far away as you can hit them...Ive seen 400 and 400 plus yard elk kills with both.. I shot the 338-06 and the 35 Whelen prior to the .338 win. I believe the .338 Win is a somewhat better caliber for elk, in fact its ideal IMO.. Bottom line effective range is determined by bullet construction, and one ability to judge distance and shoot well. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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And that is the ultimate determining factor, regardless of the range or caliber and always has been. If the shooter can not accurately place their shots, the quality of their equipment or caliber choice is irrelevant. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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It is a simple as this: since the .338WM case holds more powder than the .30-06 case used for the .338-06, use the lighter-weight .338 bullets with the later, up to 210 grains on the heavy side. The .30-06 does very well on moose with .30-caliber bullets from 165-180 grains. The same for a .338-06 with .33-caliber bullet of 180-grain on the light side to 210 grains on the heavy side. But that's not all. For closer shots with the .338-06 where you want the maximum punch, there is nothing wrong with one of the softer and heavy .33-caliber bullets. The same for the .30-06 with a heavy .30-caliber bullet, and also the .338WM with a 300-grain bullet. Take a look at the ballistics of another .338-06 (sort of .338-06, but not the same): http://www.sabirifles.co.za/338sabi.htm | |||
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I can't argue with that kind of wisdom...The 338-06 performs prodagys with the 210 Nosler partition... The .338 Win is awesome with the 225 Accubond and about any 250 gr. Bottom line is the 338 Win is a little better anyway you cut it, that's why I don't shoot the 338-06 or Whelen anymore, then we have the 9.3x62 to complicate the factors but hey they are all fine choices... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I would think that .338 Ruger (necked down .375 Ruger) would be the way to go. | |||
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9.3 gets the job done | |||
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A 270 shooting 150g Partitions at 2900 plus fps works out past 400 yards Just have to be able to shoot. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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I have seen it done, and I have never wanted a .270. How many of these discussions are merely the result of people that are piss poor shots trying to find an excuse for their own shortcomings?????? Why can't people simply admit that they simply are not as good as they believe themselves to be? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Right, seven moose all fell in their tracks. Must have all been CNS hits. I’ve shot my share of Alaska moose and seen twice as many more killed, many with .338 WMs. Experienced hunters know BS when they read it... . | |||
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Moose rifle: 340 Weatherby, Mark 5 action #4 palma contour, Vais muzzlebrake 26" Boyd stock Palma contour is basically Charlie Sisk style and class. With the extra weight of the rifle and basically 7mm Remington Magnum recoil, this rifle is the real thing. | |||
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Cerakote black Mark 5 actions are pleasing to sight. | |||
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For most of my youth my family shot elk with 30-30s, 25-35s, 250 Savage, 30-40 Krags and later the 270 and 30-06s. They all worked, but I did notice that until the advent of the 06 and 270 in the family, we shot at 200 yards or less and I always used the 25-35 or 30-30 as a kid as recoil bothered me early on...Later dad and uncles used 06 and 270 and they used them at some long ranges like 300 to 400 yards.. I noticed the 270 and 06 required at least 2 to 4 shots on many occasions at over 300 yards and sometimes under 300 yards, but don't recall ever losing an elk, but I do remember some tedious tracking jobs...So I went to the 338-06 and 35 Whelen about 30 years ago, and it seemed better to me...I ended up with the .338 Win. and it has always impressed me on elk at short and long range..I also like the 9.3x62 in the timber and up to 300 yards..None of this is written in stone just my determination based on my elk hunting. I believe the .338 is a marriage between elk and the perfect caliber, but not the last word in elk calibers as accuracy and bullet construction holds that honor.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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No argument from me there, love the .270 for elk it works great. My statement was made expecting someone to chime in with some remark like 1,500 ft-lbs of energy minimum, Hornady HITS requirement, or some other meaningless B.S. I recently traded a spare .338-06 to just-a-Hunter, he's rockin 225 grain Hornady bullets at 2700 fps. I'm betting he won't be afraid to take a poke at 400 on an elk. | |||
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