argueing over opinion is seldom productive..I do agree with Olormy, the gun scribes have simply run out of material, in fact they did that about 15 years ago I'm thinking..in fact, come to think of it, I been reading the same scriptures over and over since Jack and Elmer got into this gun writing biz...Phil Shumaker still comes up with good stuff, but he hunts all year long so its not a bunch of quotes from other scribes..oh well what the hell, I just read'um over anyway.

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Originally posted by tankhunter:
375 H and H the way people think its the bulls balls and Nuclear powered

Perhaps that's because it is. Still here and working its magic for more than 100 years.

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EVERY cartridge is overrated, depending on which yahoo is doing the talking.

BINGO!!!!

I bet someone on here believes the .22 Long Rifle rimfire is over rated!

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Originally posted by Dr. Lou:

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Originally posted by tankhunter:
375 H and H the way people think its the bulls balls and Nuclear powered

Perhaps that's because it is. Still here and working its magic for more than 100 years.

It has been the skilled users more so than the actual cartridge that made the .375H&H great.
NO different to examples like WDM Bell and what he achieved with his trusty 7x57.....and what
Harry Selby did with his 'bolt trash'.416 for over 40yrs.

It was always proper shot placement that made those and many other cartridges prove very effective.

Or it could be that those famous hunters of yesteryear got to hunt with a lot of different rifles and cartridges before deciding on the ones that worked the best. Thus making some cartridges 'better' than others.

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Originally posted by Dr. Lou:
Any cartridge appended with: WBY, WSM, WSSM, RCM, UM, SAUM, or the 338 Fed.

I agree.

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Originally posted by Dr. Lou:
Any cartridge appended with: WBY, WSM, WSSM, RCM, UM, SAUM, or the 338 Fed.

Yeah...or any vehicle appended with 302, 350, 396 or 454....the Chrysler slant 6 did everything just fine

I think you meant to say 307 instead of 302 but maybe not.

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Originally posted by 95eaR:
I think you meant to say 307 instead of 302 but maybe not.

Nope I'm pretty sure he meant 302...

I personally think any cartridge can be overrated depending on how hard someone is bloviating about it. Most cartridges in a certain power range do the same thing regardless of what is written on the case. It's a cartridge's true believers that constantly say theirs is better than yours that are so annoying.

It is only peoples opinions that are over rated, not cartridges.

465H&H

Over rated none of the above.

My list of overrated:

17 rimfires. 22 RF is way more economical and if you want to spend more on rimfire ammo use a 22 mag.

Anything AI.

7mm-300 whats it going to do the 300 win doesn't already?

Pretty much anything not based on the 308 or 30-06 case.

King of the hill pointless rounds are the Nosler26 and 28. The Ultramags are all over this spectrum if you really need more than an 06 case has to offer and only if a 7mag or 300 mag (Win or WBY)doesn't light your fire.

This internet we are on right now is so interesting, informative and easy to use that print media is dying out.

I did not read that AH article because I don't read magazines much any more. I am on this net most participating in forums etc.

Nearby the local newspaper is closing. The building is for sale. We don't get a paper any more. The internet, radio and TV news have replaced them.

I can participate in forums on any topic. In the past I wrote maybe one letter to a magazine.

This new media is so much exciting rather than just the old monthly print!

We have game cameras now that can show animals etc in our area.

Ray,

I am an old timer like you and still get the Rifleman and AH with the life memberships however I don't subscribe to any magazines now.

Heck, The Shotgun News has been replaced by Gun Broker etc. etc.

With this new media I found that a 900 pound black bear is near us!

We never saw much of this in the past. Each of us is now a gun writer with current information!



This is local right here in CT.

Truth be told for every cartridge listed there is another with equal ballistics. Are they overrated also? Another truth, as has been alluded to, is that there is much overlap in cartridge performance. If one adds British and Continental cartridges to the mix the word redundant is woefully inadequate.

As this is mostly opinion and rhetoric I'll add mine. It's the old, obsolete and nearly unknown cartridges that still make shooting and handloading interesting for me. To pick on an already picked on and overrated cartridge, the 30-06, what is left to learn about it? I would suspect anything that can be learned about it has been. I believe it's a great cartridge but no better or worse in its performance than a double handful of other 30 cal. cartridges. Pick a caliber, the same can be said of all and it doesn't have to have been developed in the last 10 years. Just about anything that can be done ballistically had been done by the late 1920's and early 1930's. Propellants improved and velocities creeped up but not a lot. Charles Newton and Brenneke were 40 years ahead of Roy Weatherby.

I suppose mostly, as others have noted, the article made for conversation and debate. Nothing has changed.

IT'S THE INTERNET that's overrated.

In the old days it was a few gun rag writers pumping out a few thousand words of mostly useless garbage/dogma, but sometimes something of value...now it's MILLIONS of
people pumping out BILLIONS of mostly useless VERBAGE about things they are mostly ignorant of while staring dully at a monitor, sitting on their back sides letting a few do the useful things instead of getting off their brains and doing the thing that will GIVE THEM something of value, and mostly not even bothering to research their own questions BEFORE asking them...so far I've come across only a few questions that haven't ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED many times here on A.R. or one of the other many forums.

I don't think many of the questions have anything to do with whether or not an answer is given per se, but rather the number of responses added up in the number of posts box or the level of controversy is generated, or many times just a way in to give the OP a chance to give THEIR ANSWER.

Most of this internet controversy krap is nothing but a Friday night bar room brawl over mindless, personal bias and similar minutia, a Super bowl blowout no different than the Roman Coliseum gladiator games(without the dead but the need to see blood and injury) with the masses being placated with killing and bread, or a kool repartee(in someone's mind at least)...with a few valuable insights sprinkled in, but mostly lost in the psycho gun babble.

I still have trouble understanding WHY having MANY CHOICES IN CARTRIDGES AND CALIBERS is a bad thing in a anyone's eyes. To me that is totally idiotic...I LIKE CHOICE!!!

If you DON'T like something you have the choice of NOT BUYING IT....WHY would anyone waste time and computer power moaning about it instead of using that time to LEARN something new....WHY THE HELL AM I DOING THE SAME THING, WHINNING ABOUT MINDLESSNESS...BECAUSE IT'S SNOWING and I can't get to my range for load testing and I'M cranky before the coffee kicks in...DAM...and WHO gives a flying **** anyway.

No flame or diss intended...just my observations and pet peeve getting loose.

Luck

Feel better now?

Two kinds of calibers exist, over rated and under rated, just has to be that way, the human brain functions thusly!

Sorta like Will Rogers, I never met a caliber I didn't like, just some better than others or something like that.

I've been of the opinion for a long time now that the gun business has finally matched the fashion industry for bringing out something different (caliber, optics, etc) every year. Then the inevitable occurs, old becomes fashionable again, the 47-70 being a prime example. Refreshed with new, stronger actions and newest bullet technology and some stiff loading its a different beastie. Once upon a time one of the draws of the 300 wby was the ability to shoot the h&h round in it. I know of one person that was using the 300 Win cartridge in a Wby!!!! He got very short necks on those. I probably wouldn't have know about that one but he asked if the cases could be reloaded.
The perfect caliber is, of course, the one you want this time.

It's also interesting to hear grown me talk about "efficiency' of a cartridge and make disparaging remarks about a cartridge which might take a grain or two more powder than another..... and then jump into their $70,000.00 pickups and drive a thousand mile to hunt a beast.
Everyone has to thump their chests over something, I suppose.
Zeke

Interesting that many of you talked about print media when this was a digital story (American Hunter website) to begin with. And it really isn't any different than any number of discussions we have among ourselves, the difference being the guy who wrote the story got paid for it.

Well the author certainly accomplished his goal.. If this article has generated this much action here, just think how many emails & snail mails him & his boss are recieving shoring up their slow months.. just sayin..

OH I don't think its all that hard to generate expression on any internet blog. I expect it created more conversation on this blog than the article itself did!

Anything "something by something" is overrated....

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Why did they ever invent the 270 Win when the 6.5X55 was around 30 years earlier and killing all kinds of game around the world.

AND they had to make it an odd bore - no really popular round in that bore since!

Because the 270 exceeds the swede by a decent margin and is a better round

Who killed the buffalo - the Indian or the bow?


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