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Sad but true... Also there are not that many bullets that do a powerful 35 justice | |||
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temmi ----- At one time your statement would be true, prior to the Nosler Partition in the late forties, don't remember if they offered the .35's then or not. But now with the availability of the North Fork Bullet in 225-250-270 grain bullets, that is all you need if you have a very fast .358 chambering. Next would be the Swift A-Frame, Barnes X and TSX, and the Nosler Partitions and Accubonds. Good shooting. phurley | |||
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You have just named the best reasons for owning a lot of guns.....and the old addage "there's not enough bullets available for it" just is not true anymore.....any of the bullets you named will probably provide excellent accuracy and superb terminal performance. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Antelope: I like your rationale. I own a 375 H&H, and also a 35 Whelen. Both tack drivers, the only reason I own a 375, is because I may get to hunt in Africa, otherwise I would hunt everything with the 35 whelen. Sadly, you are right it takes a shooter, with a love of cartridges, to keep some of these 35's alive. Yet, in my group, several shoot 35's, Whelens and 358 Winchesters, and they have all shot Buffalo with them. Jerry NRA Benefactor Life Member | |||
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You boys could perhaps look up the Woodleigh Hydros,I`m using them and they are perfect for the fast charging bigger 358 Mags.You wont shred these like some of the other pills. Posts: 87 | Location: Victoria Australia | Registered: 07 September 2002 | |||
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Funny, one of my favorite hunting rounds is 9.3x57. An old low pressure round that is great at 150 yards on all but Great bear in the lower 48. 2200 fps w/ a 286gr pill is good medicine. Did I mention it has no recoil! I reload CG lead 285gr bullets w/ the same data. | |||
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9,3 is not 35 caliber cartridge. | |||
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That's what makes it so good!   Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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Yes and yet its not as good as a 358 NM or a 358 STA in 9.3 x 57,62,64 or 74..... Posts: 87 | Location: Victoria Australia | Registered: 07 September 2002 | |||
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The Rigby 400/350 rimmed & the .350Magnum should have been mentioned on this thread. Wasn`t it the british really that invented the .35cal(.358cal) to the shootingworld? Winchester came early too with their .35WCF..very good cartridge I believe. There is the 9x57mauser ofcouse, but that doesn`t count..does it  DRSS: HQ Scandinavia. Chapters in Sweden & Norway | |||
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Sure makes a fine Elk rifle.  | |||
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The Whelen is a fantastic caliber. Performance on game is similar to that of the .375 H&H. The main reason it lacks popularity is the lack of press with the younger shooters. We have a couple Whelens in the shop, and I do highly recommend them for Elk and the like, as a top performer, and my choice when asked. The responces from young and older customers are usually the same. They look at me with a blank stare and say they never heard of it. . . . . . The young hunters are mostly seaking out the latest short magnum stuff. They want to know how fast it will shoot, and if it's under 3,000 fps, they want to know what will. The other issue seems to be rifles chambered in the Whelen, or lack of. Remington which legitamized the cartridge, went and used a 1-16" twist in their barrels. Too slow for the 250s I perfer, and the main reason folks considering the Remington, decide not to buy one. Not sure what the hell Remington was thinkin! I'm testing a Ruger standard rifle in the Whelen right now. It has a 1-12" twist, which will work great with the heavier slugs. I like it a lot! But because the caliber hasn't grabbed the attention of shooters, they have dropped it from their line. Our beloved gunsmith 'Bob West' since gone, rebored and chambered thousands of rifles for the Whelen, and had a great respect for the calibers ability in Alaska where he lived for awhile. The Whelen was Elmer Keiths 'go to' rifle for many years until he finally went with the .333 OKH (.338-06)! The other issue is a lack of bullet sellection in .35 when compared to the .338s; and that most .35 bullets were designed for slower cartridges. Seems like only we hunters that have been around awhile recognize the Whelen for what it is; a great caliber, capable of great things, without a lot of recoil and muzzel blast, or fan fair. Unfortunately, todays shooters are looking for the fan fair thing! | |||
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Not quite as good as the 270 Wincheter, but a very good one! 
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It's a good one. The CZ550FS I traded to local shop didn't last long either. Local Gander Mountain carries 9.3x62 ammo and BassPro reloading dies. Neither place had dies or ammo for my .350 Remington.  | |||
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As said by others, it´s not an obsolete cartridge. Very much alive. I had an Husqvarna 1651 for a few years and like it. Effective on moose with 250 gr Norma Oryx bullet. Norma make quality brass or you can fireform from many other magnums like 338 WM, 7 mm rm and others. Only problem i saw was that there not a fmj with pointed tip, only round nose. And it´s not American, it´s Swedish  http://www.norma.cc/content.as...358%20Norma%20Magnum http://www.norma.cc/sortimentl...orma%20Magnum&Lang=2 | |||
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I started my .358Norma last year and I hope to finish it this fall.  I got an old vom Hofe M98-action and bought a Lothar Walther medium sporter barrel with 26". It should be a working rifle, without any iron sights and a laminated stock. When it´s finish I will post pic´s. Martin | |||
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If this kinda talk keeps up, someone is going to sell their 35 cal rifle cheep, thinking it useless, and worthless. I just hope I'm their when it goes up for sale! Extreme Custom Gunsmithing LLC, ecg@wheatstate.com | |||
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Glad the 350 Rigby got some mention. Even in its original loading, it pushed a 225gr. bullet to 2600fps. Got to be the perfect African plains gun as well as for anything in North America. The bullet selection argument is moot. Just because the local sporting goods store may not have much of a selection means nothing. Every bullet is available in this day and age. | |||
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The 35 Remington is the only 35 caliber cartridge to sustain any popularity, this is because it filled a real void. That is a larger than 30 cal cartridge for thick woods hunting, that would allow for a bigger hole in the animal, easier blood trailing, and the ability to put the animal down quicker. This is very beneficial in crowded woods, where if the animal runs over the next hill it could be shot by another hunter. Not only are Americans obsessed with speed, we also like to shoot the newest, modern, incarnation of some other cartridge, and think that we are treding some new frontier. Fortunatley for the knowledgeable, there are alternatives. I bought my Browning BLR in .358win about 6 years ago and they are still producing that rifle. Ruger had a good run on their hawkeyes in both .358win and 35 Whelen. Why remington and others used the 1-16" rate is beyond my comprehension. My 35 Whelen, an Adams & Bennett barrel i threw on my Savage 110 has a 1-14" rate, and the BLR a 1-12" and both are very accurate. As far as bullets go there is a plethora of 250gr bullets and then the heavy weights: the 270gr North Fork, 275gr Hawk, 280gr Swift A-frame, 300gr Hawk, and the 310gr Woodleigh. As an all around short to long range bullet i cant imagine much better than the 225gr Nosler accu-bond. A shortage of good bullets? Yeah right, all we need is a 250gr TTSX and all the bases are covered. This isnt even touching on all the 357 and 358" bullets for pistols, which would number in the hundreds. I have a couple of cast 158 gr bullets loaded up in my 358win with light charges of Unique for a small game load. Now thats versatility, lets see the 9.3 users do that  | |||
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 Just to pass the time of day; the .358 and 9(.358) X 41 each will push a 300gr gas checked bullet at near 2300 fps. That's greater energy than the 30-06 with jacketed bullets. rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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DWight, Ruger has a 1/12 twist in which rifle? Thanks, dmw "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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I agree, the 35 Cal bullet selection is great, although I can't see a need for a bullet over 250 grains for anything here in the states. The Accubond/Ballistic Tip, @ over 2700fps, at least out of a Whelen or cartridge with similar case capacity really brings the mail. A 250 grain Partition or similar @2600 fps, zips right thru an 1500lbs Buffalo @ 100yds. What else do you need? I think we all agree, the 35 Cal to be a performer is a handloaders propostion, and after all that is all of us. Jerry NRA Benefactor Life Member | |||
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I still have Dad's old Marlin 336sc in 35 Rem. It's probably one of the handiest little rifles made. Accurate with a Lyman receiver sight & very mild recoil. After I finished college and got a 38 revolver, I started loading the Keith style semi wadcutter bullets in it and he loved to shoot it with those mild loads. I finally got a 200 gr Lyman mold for it but he died before he had a chance to try them. I am just hoping my son who is lukewarm toward shooting will be smart enough to keep it when it passes to him. I also have a nice little Husqvarna mod 46 cicra 1929 in 9.3x57, not exactly a .35 but close. It's probably my favorite bolt action for fun shooting because again, accurate and mild recoiling. It's 100% original with a really nice French walnut stock with a lot of grain . I have a mold on the way for it so I can try some cast bullets. JJK | |||
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Just got my first one....a Wheelen AI version. Damn impressive. I've seen what the standard 35 Wheelen can do so I had to have one. And I've never read anyhting from Col Wheelen. Still working on load development. But I don't think I would be selling her. Something about pushing that big ol bullet!!!!!!!!!!! | |||
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Fella`s I previously mentioned these and at 225Grains in my 358 NM they are hammers! http://www.woodleighbullets.co...tatically-stabilised Posts: 87 | Location: Victoria Australia | Registered: 07 September 2002 | |||
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As mentioned before, many are confusing obsolete with useless. The 35's on the whole, ARE obsolete in the fact that there are very few, if any rifles currently produced, and very slim offering on factory ammo. Gotta remember customs and hand loads are things of the few, not of the many. The 284 Winchester still gets the job done, but its been a LONG time since its been commercially chambered, and the single loading of winchester power points comes out what, once every 4-5 years? In a commercial sense, THAT, is obsolete, as are the vast majority of 35 cals, unfortunately. The 35 Rem still trudges on, and the Whelen struggles to remain commercially alive. Its only offered in 1 companies rifle as a normal run item (Ruger) and occasionally you find some Remingtons, but the choices are limited. Compare that to say the 30-06, 300 Win, 270 Win, 308....nearly EVERY rifle maker on earth produces these calibers, and nearly EVER ammo manufacturer on earth produces several loads for each from cheap C&C bullets to top of the lime premium ammo. Might not be right, but its the way it is. If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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Nice analogy  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Given I could get a good selection of strong 358, I for one would get a fast .35… and to me it seems that Ruger has the makings of a good one by necking down a 375Ruger to a 358… All that said they don’t seem very motivated in that direction. | |||
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True about the obsolete thing, However: we shooters and handloaders kept the 220 Swift alive for years with no factory support. Very popular now. Judging by the 35 Cal bullet selection available now, the bullet makers, must feel we'll do the same thing with the 35's. Also in the case of the Whelen, there is the nostalgia factor. The Whelen is also one flat "stompper" of a cartridge. Jerry NRA Benefactor Life Member | |||
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I fully agree with this.....but the difference between a .375 Ruger and a .358 Ruger is almost nonexistent! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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The elk hunters would buy the .338, the Africa hunters would buy the .375, and more great .35 rifles would be sitting on the shelf. | |||
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Well, it appears I have a safe full of obsolete, useless rifles.  Fill your boots, man! | |||
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Nasty break rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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We got a limited run rifle that is a standard wood stocked Ruger with a 1-12 twist. They are not listed on Rugers site, but we can get them from our supplier. Nice little rifle. | |||
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I think the whalen has had the most success of the 35 bore cartridges, not counting the old west lever actions. The interesting thing to note is how weak the reloading information is compared to the 9.3x62 or the 338-06. I think that for many statistical buffs, like myself, we overlook it because of its lackluster performance on paper when compared to other similar cartridges. Theoretically it should dominate like the 9.3x62 but since the passing of Elmer Keith we seem to have lost that big bore fire in favor of flatter trajectory so it was never really developed. we really need to blame the gun scribes who have continually praised the same cartridges for years. There was a spell 10 or so years ago when the 300 mag was so beloved it seemed idiotic to purchase anything else. Every article in all the mags had some story promoting it. I personally hate this fabulous round because of all that fuss. Captain Finlander | |||
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I've said it many times. There are too many cartridges out there within a ballistic hair of each other and many must fail as not enough hunter will buy into them in sufficient numbers. There's usually nothing wrong with the cartridge itself. I think the gun writers helped kill off many good cartridges when they collectively became infected with magnumitis and trajectory. In the 1950s and early 1960s, it seemed that we'd soon have a scope to which you'd crank in the grid coordinates of the animal, pull the trigger then eat a snack while waiting for the bullet to reach its target. Dispite all the new ultra this or that, a Winchester 88 in .358 Win. can cleanly kill anything in America. | |||
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I also think that bullet selection may be part of its problem. I was just reviewing my charts and there are darn few bullets over .279 sectional density competing against all other big game bullets up and down offering over .300 SD. It is so close to the .366 that it could have been a direct American competitor had it not been for a lack of heavier bullets. Captain Finlander | |||
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Lets face facts, in North America, and most of the world, all a person really needs is a 30-06. With literally hundreds of factory loads, and tons of bullets to reload, its the definition of versatility. How many factory loads are there for the 35 Whelen? 2? or the 35 rem, 2 or 3? Most hunters are not reloaders, and with no factory loads, this is the death knell for any cartridge. Bullets are there, for 35's theres just no factory support in both rifles and ammo, but ya know what? Thats just fine with me, I'll always have a 35 of some sort and a little smile of knowledge as i head into the woods | |||
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The .35 caliber is used by experienced and knowledgeable hunters. Most meat hunters who shop at China-Mart will pick .270, .308, .30-06, 7mmRM or .300WinMag. Many will not even know what bullet sectional density is. When I see trajectory chart on back or ammo box I laugh and wonder who looks at that stuff. | |||
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