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A light rifle for an old man
18 September 2012, 08:19
thecanadianA light rifle for an old man
After 25+ years of carrying around his 9lb hunting rifle, I convinced my father an upgrade might be in order. The only thing my father hunts is white tailed deer at ranges less than 100yds. His only request is that the rifle be as light as possible. Here is what I was thinking: the local pawn shop has a Winchester 70 classic stainless in 243 WSSM for cheap. I was thinking of a re-barrel to something with a little more punch. I was thinking of either 7mm WSSM or 358 WSSM. I was thinking of a Lone Wolf Summit XL for the stock if they still offer it, if not then probably a McMillan Edge. What I am still not certain on is the barrel length and contour, should the barrel be fluted. Lastly, what scope would you recommend?
"though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression."
---Thomas Jefferson
18 September 2012, 08:32
LuckyduckerWhy not just opt for the Weatherby Ultra-light rifle that weighs in at @5.75# and is offered in many standard calibers as well as some of the Weatherby magnums including the 300Wby. I would also recommend a Leupold 2-7X36mm scope since shots will be under 100yds.
Dennis
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18 September 2012, 08:41
SDhunterKimber Montana would be nice.
243, 257 Roberts, 7mm-08, 308, 338 Federal
My personal choice would be the 7mm-08, but could be talked into any one of them except the 243 for the situation you are describing.
Talley lights and a straight 4 or 2.5-8 Leupold and I would happy.
18 September 2012, 08:45
thecanadianquote:
Originally posted by Luckyducker:
Why not just opt for the Weatherby Ultra-light rifle that weighs in at @5.75# and is offered in many standard calibers as well as some of the Weatherby magnums including the 300Wby. I would also recommend a Leupold 2-7X36mm scope since shots will be under 100yds.
We looked at them but my father did not like how the stock fit him. At 1700.00 that's quite a price to pay for a rifle that still needs a stock swap.
"though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression."
---Thomas Jefferson
18 September 2012, 08:58
N E 450 No2I would take him to several good gunstores,and have him pick out a bolt rifle with an 18 to 22" barrel in 308 [my favorite] or maybe 7MM-08.
I am NOT an Old Man YET...
But I have a light 308 standing by...
Just in case I live another few years...
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18 September 2012, 09:55
tjrobertsif your hell bent on building a custom then do it, but a rl ruger model 7 rem, kimber 84, all would ge great'
at 100 yards a .308 is perfect. so are a lot of others...tj3006
18 September 2012, 10:21
BigNateI would (and would like myself) do a Kimber Montana in .257 Roberts with the previously mentioned 2.5x8x36 and not look back for a second.
Unless you can find a Kifaru in .260
18 September 2012, 15:02
mdstewartTikka T-3 Lite in 7mm-08 or .308 with Leupold Ultralite 3x9x33. Rifle weighs 6.2 lbs and scope 8.8 oz. That package comes in under 7 lbs and is a super accurate and smooth rifle.
All for easily umder a $1000 bucks.
JP Sauer Drilling 12x12x9.3x72
David Murray Scottish Hammer 12 Bore
Alex Henry 500/450 Double Rifle
Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock 6.5x55
Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock .30-06
Walther PPQ H2 9mm
Walther PPS M2
Cogswell & Harrison Hammer 12 Bore Damascus
And Too Many More
18 September 2012, 16:19
Crazyhorseconsultingquote:
After 25+ years of carrying around his 9lb hunting rifle, I convinced my father an upgrade might be in order. The only thing my father hunts is white tailed deer at ranges less than 100yds. His only request is that the rifle be as light as possible. Here is what I was thinking: the local pawn shop has a Winchester 70 classic stainless in 243 WSSM for cheap. I was thinking of a re-barrel to something with a little more punch. I was thinking of either 7mm WSSM or 358 WSSM. I was thinking of a Lone Wolf Summit XL for the stock if they still offer it, if not then probably a McMillan Edge. What I am still not certain on is the barrel length and contour, should the barrel be fluted. Lastly, what scope would you recommend?
With shots at + or - 100 yards, why something with more punch in a lighter rifle? Besides weighing 9 pounds, what caliber has he been using?
I would look at the .243 or .257 Robert's on the small end and the 7mm-08/.308/.30-06/.35 Whelen on the upper end. JMO. No opinion on scopes, I use K 6 Weavers on nearly all my rifles.
Even the rocks don't last forever.
18 September 2012, 16:39
chuck375You can get a Rem XCR II (weighs 6 1/2 lbs) for about $700 from Dick's Sporting Goods. Mine (in 375 H&H) weighs on a postal type scale 7 3/8 lbs with a Leupold 2x7 scope unloaded with no sling. I'd imagine smaller calibers might weigh a tad less. This is one lb lighter than the Rem web page states, but many XCR II owners have confirmed the 6 3/8 to 6 1/2 lb weight. Also the stock (which is a bit ugly, but I like) soaks up recoil. The XCR II with 375 H&H factory has less felt recoil than my 9 lb CZ 550 in the same caliber did. My youngest son (weighs 140 lbs) confirms my subjective opinion lol ...
For whitetails, I think the plain old 270 Win caliber is perfect, if not a bit much.
Regards,
Chuck
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18 September 2012, 16:48
Jeff SullivanFor an "old" man, a pre 64 Winchester M70 featherweight might be a consideration. I just traded for one in 270 win and have fallen in love with it, and it recoils MUCH less than my Ruger M77 Ultralite 270 that I have had for over 25 years.
18 September 2012, 17:21
adamhunterIf the price is right on the Winchester, I would go for it. No deer that walks is any match for a 243 Win, WSM, WSSM whatever...and this is coming from a 243 hater.
As for scopes, a nice 3x9x40 from any of the mid to high end manufacturers would be just fine.
30+ years experience tells me that perfection hit at .264. Others are adequate but anything before or after is wishful thinking.
18 September 2012, 18:57
LBGuyi'd have dad shoulder a rem model 7 in 7/08 or 308. add a straight 4x scope. no need for anything else imo. ymmv
18 September 2012, 19:29
scottfromdallasI don't understand the desire for a magnum for whitetail under 100 yards. Especially in a light rifle for an older gentleman. You don't need that much punch for deer.
18 September 2012, 19:48
hikerbumIf plastic is acceptable to him, the new Ruger All American's are very inexpensive, light, and from all I have seen are shooters. Get on in .243 or .308 and have at it.
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18 September 2012, 20:28
bartsche
Custom! Long throated 250-3000 feather weight 19 " barrel on choice of short action, 2to7 low mounted Redfield scope, slim reduced profile black walnut stock with attention to intelligent weight removal, light recoil pad.
Hand loaded cup and core 100gr. bullets seated out to nearly meet rifling . At my age that's what I'd like to carry.
roger
Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone..
18 September 2012, 22:26
TerryRWhitetails at 100yds or less. Pick up a used 30-30. Marlin or Winchester. They are light, handy and have been reliably taking whitetails forever.
18 September 2012, 22:35
LJSI would look for a good used Sako Finnlight. I prefer the model 75 and you can find them easily. Now that I'm in my seventies a Finnlight 6.5x55 is my whitetail gun. I like it with a 2x7 scope.
18 September 2012, 23:38
friarmeierquote:
Originally posted by TerryR:
Whitetails at 100yds or less. Pick up a used 30-30. Marlin or Winchester. They are light, handy and have been reliably taking whitetails forever.
I 2nd the motion! Put a scope on it & you are good to go!
If once insists on a friendly ammendment, then I agree that the Kimber 84 is the way to go, Montana being the lightest, and the wood stocks not much heavier.
Good luck!
friar
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19 September 2012, 00:31
Lamarwhy not just put a lighter synthetic stock on his old rifle.
and upgrade to a new scope.
19 September 2012, 00:52
CoyoteKiller82quote:
Originally posted by mdstewart:
Tikka T-3 Lite in 7mm-08 or .308 with Leupold Ultralite 3x9x33. Rifle weighs 6.2 lbs and scope 8.8 oz. That package comes in under 7 lbs and is a super accurate and smooth rifle.
All for easily umder a $1000 bucks.
X2, an aftermarket recoil pad may be in order...prob not in the calibers mentioned though (I know I needed one for bench work on my TT3 Light in 270WSM)
19 September 2012, 01:06
thecanadianquote:
Originally posted by Lamar:
why not just put a lighter synthetic stock on his old rifle.
and upgrade to a new scope.
Not sure that chopping up the existing gun would solve the weight problem. Besides there are sentimental reasons for not doing this.
"though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression."
---Thomas Jefferson
19 September 2012, 01:18
tiggertateLast I looked, you can still pick up a NIB Colt Light Rifle for $600-$750 in 270 or 30-06. They shoot very well and with the addition of a NULA stock from Melvin Forbes, they handle as well as one of his $2800 rifles.
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19 September 2012, 01:24
thecanadianSo I had my father check out the Kimber's, likes everything but the stock fit. They had one in 257 Bob that looked promising but at 1200.00 it was a little much for a rifle that still needs a stock swap. I showed him some tikka's, model 7's and the Sako (Base model). He is the most finicky person as to what he likes, doesn't like foreign and gun has to be CRF. We went back to the shop that had the Win 70 in 243 WSSM to see if he could do any better with the price. The guy went down to 500.00 so we bought it. If it were up to me I would just do a stock swap. However, my father seems to think that anything under .30 cal is too small for deer. So I will be going with the 358 WSSM. Mainly because I can get preformed brass and dies from:
http://www.bfgcartridges.com/358BFG.html
"though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression."
---Thomas Jefferson
19 September 2012, 01:29
boom stick35 Remington?
358 Win?
19 September 2012, 02:20
Crazyhorseconsultingthecanadian, just one question, how old is your Dad?
Even the rocks don't last forever.
19 September 2012, 03:07
thecanadianquote:
Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
thecanadian, just one question, how old is your Dad?
he is 68 years old
"though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression."
---Thomas Jefferson
19 September 2012, 03:12
Jim C. <><The old guy sounds like a prime candidate for a Marlin 336/.30-30 with a nice recoil pad and a compact fixed 2x or 3x scope to me. In fact, at 72 with a bad heart, bad back and artifical right shoulder it sounds right for me - works good too.
19 September 2012, 04:46
Greg KA Ruger RSI in 7x57 at about 7 lbs without scope is in my safe and I'm just 8 yrs shy of your Dad's age. Will be my primary deer gun in a few years. Very compact gun with the short barrel as well.
A Browning composite Stalker gets you down to 6 1/4 lbs in 7mm-08 or 243. I have a stainless stalker in 25/06 which make a dandy deer rifle too.
Another one to consider is a Ruger model 96 lever gun in 44 Mag. Very light and compact gun with plenty of punch for deer out to 100 yds. Mine wears a fixed Leupold 2.5X scope.
19 September 2012, 05:15
kjjm4I vote for a CZ 527 carbine in 7.62x39. Weighs under 6 pounds, and has plenty of punch for deer out to 100 yards.
19 September 2012, 05:26
oldunWell done that man still going for a look see for a deer at 68 years of age
19 September 2012, 06:20
George SemelSeems to me a Marlin 30-30 is just the ticket for your father, put an aim point on it and call it good.
19 September 2012, 06:22
thecanadianquote:
Originally posted by oldun:
Well done that man still going for a look see for a deer at 68 years of age
my grandma hunted till the year she died, that was at 82. She is the one that taught me how to gut a deer.
"though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression."
---Thomas Jefferson
19 September 2012, 07:02
ted thornI have 3 Kimbers
Buy him a 84M in the Clasic or Montana and never look back
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19 September 2012, 07:38
Jon BeutlerI think there are some great suggestions here. You should ask him what he would prefer: Lever, bolt, single-shot. He may have a favorite, dream, nostalgic, or modern itch that may make it even that much memorable.
How about an AR-15 or Garand? Managed-recoil bullets are also an option.
19 September 2012, 07:55
MileHighShooterToo bad you can't convince him calibers under .308 actually can, and do, kill deer. At those ranges, there is nothing wrong with the factory barrel, or stepping up to the 25wssm. But if you're willing to go the wildcat route and trouble for him, cheers!
Maybe you should hit up Michael458 about one of this WSSM wildcats? You can get dies through him without waiting ages from Hornady or RCBS. Michael usually carries a dozen sets of every caliber he's dreamed up it seems lol.
The 458 or 50 cal super shorts he does would be super cool.
I mean, if it takes a 30 cal bullet to kill deer, certainly you can convince your dad a 45 cal bullet will kill em deader lol
If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter!
19 September 2012, 07:58
CrazyhorseconsultingIf your dad is in fairly good physical shape, why limit him. If he is in fairly good health and enjoying himself it might not be a good idea to start treating him like he is old.
I know and have known quite a few guys in their 70's and 80's that enjoy hunting and go every chance they get. I may be some what prejudiced about this, and I guess at 62 I am still a kid, but I don't want anyone putting me out to pasture before my time, no matter how good their intentions.
Even the rocks don't last forever.
19 September 2012, 08:22
thecanadianquote:
Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
If your dad is in fairly good physical shape, why limit him. If he is in fairly good health and enjoying himself it might not be a good idea to start treating him like he is old.
I know and have known quite a few guys in their 70's and 80's that enjoy hunting and go every chance they get. I may be some what prejudiced about this, and I guess at 62 I am still a kid, but I don't want anyone putting me out to pasture before my time, no matter how good their intentions.
Its not so much his age that is the problem. He has a rotator cuff problem and it hurts him to lift up and cycle a rifle. This why he wants to go as light as possible, it is much easier for him to hold up a 6.5lb rifle than a 9lb rifle.
"though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression."
---Thomas Jefferson
19 September 2012, 09:58
Hunter54quote:
Originally posted by thecanadian:
After 25+ years of carrying around his 9lb hunting rifle, I convinced my father an upgrade might be in order. The only thing my father hunts is white tailed deer at ranges less than 100yds. His only request is that the rifle be as light as possible. Here is what I was thinking: the local pawn shop has a Winchester 70 classic stainless in 243 WSSM for cheap. I was thinking of a re-barrel to something with a little more punch. I was thinking of either 7mm WSSM or 358 WSSM. I was thinking of a Lone Wolf Summit XL for the stock if they still offer it, if not then probably a McMillan Edge. What I am still not certain on is the barrel length and contour, should the barrel be fluted. Lastly, what scope would you recommend?
You mentioned "his" once and you mention "I" six time! Obviously it's not about what your father wants, it's about what YOU want.
Stop being selfish, pay attention to what HE wants and get him a lightweight rifle in a practical standard cartridge (243 win., 260 Rem, 7mm-08, 308 win) for deer under 100 yards.
19 September 2012, 11:32
Arild IversenThis old man (67 yrs) have among other rifles a Kimber Montana in 308 Winchester and I´m a very happy customer.
A perfekt light rifle toppet with a good Zeiss scope, handles all aspects of deer hunting where I live.
And belive me, we have som rough going up here.
Arild Iversen.