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^ Hot Core I don't know you from Adam. But I read back on some of the idiotic posts you have been engaged in, with various people. I'll just ignore you and leave you to your expert opinions and your childish pissing matches. Eh? Back to topic; since these types things are personal choice, the guy doing the mod, whatever it is, is ALWAYS right. Cuz it's what he wants. Whether it's to add a brake or hacksaw one off, fill your boots... Now since I hate brakes (BOSS), naturally my personal bias supports the choice that was made! | |||
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There you are you ole sumbit## For a minute there I thought you were lost and I was going to organize a search party for you. In fact when I did make the calls to go look for you.............no one came!!! Imagine that!!! I wonder why people wouldn't spring to your aid with the sweet persona you portray????? Please look at the thread that requests your elk hunting experience for your input on it. There are many folk here on the board that are waiting for your to document your elk hunting knowledge. Just between you and me, some of them think that you haven't shot ANY elk of Any size. But I bet you've bagged around "THOUSANDS" of elk also, right????...........right???.............right???? Anyway jump on that thread and clear up all this confusion about your elk hunting and elk killing experience. Respectfully yours. | |||
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Seems as if that was the situation you would not have mentioned it. Obviously w--a--y to STUPID to understand the people I trashed deserved it - just like this FOOL! | |||
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I went 23" when I put my 338 together. Wouldn't own a Boss equipped gun. Ya they work but are ugly and cumbersome. You don't need 1/2" groups for hunting. Sure it's nice for confidence but I have no trouble developing sub inch loads the old way. | |||
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Thanks MTM for getting my post back on track after reading the last bunch of posts I was afraid it would end in an ugly death as many posts have lately. Lets hope that the constant arguing can stay in just a couple of posts instead of spilling over into everyones posts. Come on guys this is for fun remember? Back on track, I have shot it a couple times since the "BOSS-endectomy" and I think I'll tinker with the bedding just a touch and I'll be there, I now love this rifle! | |||
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I agree with my buddy, MTM and of the dozen .338WMs I have had, in barrel lengths from 23" to 26", I much prefer a 23" tube at .640" minimum muzzle diameter. With this and sane, safe handloads, I can push 250NPs to about 2750 fps-mv. depending on powder lot and that is my single most preferred hunting load. I have my old Dakota 76, among the most tight-grouping big rifles I have ever seen with it's Shilen barrel at Ralf Martini's right now to have a "Hill Country" synthetic stock and Recknagel-Talley irons installed, among other practical mods. It is a 23" .338WM and a very nice rifle to carry and hunt with in BC's mountains. I intend to put in for the Grizzly draw later this summer and this will be my first choice for a rifle to hunt them with. We are getting so many Grizzlies in BC, that it is time to do so serious thinning. | |||
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Regardless of how it shoots, etc. I think you need to take an inch or so off the front of the stock to make it look right. | |||
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Well I decided to post an update After the successful removal of said BOSS the rifle is turning in some really nice groups. I got it shooting a couple of 3/4" 3 shot groups today with the exact same load I've shot it with, I have yet to chrony the loads to see the exact velocity loss but I'm not too concerned as the actual barrel portion was not cut much maybe an inch or so. I also removed the 50mm scope that is in the pictures and replaced it with a 40mm scope (Leupold 3-9 of course). Just thought I would let everyone know it turned out alright. | |||
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Glad to hear it Snell ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Worst mistake I ever made was getting a rifle that needed a muzzle brake to make it manageable at the range. Never again. If it needs a muzzle brake, then I need a heavier rifle or a lighter round in terms of recoil. "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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Man, you guys sure do hate brakes! To each his own, but I think they're a great tool for reducing recoil. Some guns you just can't make heavy enough to be pleasurable to shoot much. Not to mention maybe you want to see the show take place through your scope. However, your gun looks nicer without the BOSS. I'm all for good look, and I think the BOSS looks awful fugly. Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system. | |||
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Good to hear, I know you really liked how it grouped before and sounds like you don't mind the groups now. Playing Army this weekend but we need to get together and bust some steel out at your range. Might have a barrel for you early next week. | |||
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+1 If it'd been my gun, the hack saw would have been invoked a long time ago! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Snellstrom, Looks great, I would have done the exact same thing. Everytime I see one in the classifieds, I think to myself that the first thing would be to hack off the abomination, wart, bump thing on the end of the barrel. It may work as intended, but why ruin the lines of rifle. Load develpment is not that tough. The shooting ladder Hot Core spoke of works great. To each his own, it's your rifle, do what you want with it. Scary, I think that is actually two things HC and I agree on. | |||
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Buddy had a Sako Forrester in .338. Seems like it came with a 19" or 21" barrel. Killed things pretty good. | |||
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I agree that nothing screws up the looks of a nice rifle like a BOSS...or a scope with a 50+ mm objective. lol **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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Yes and I HAD both on this rifle.! It now has no BOSS and a 3-9 Leupold with a 40mm objective. Honestly it is like owning a new rifle. | |||
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I can bet you that if you tried to swap one of those 8 hunters out of his Boss rifle, you would find it impossible. Those rifles have accounted for over 30 Bull Elk since the accuracy of the Boss was discovered by those hunters. The question becomes, do I want an attractive rifle or one that will do the job and bring home the meat. Every hunter has to answer his own question in the end, to each his own. When we look at our rifles, we see success on the Elk mountain, what others see is their business. Good shooting. phurley | |||
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Im a fan of the brakes when they are removeable. I have one on my 7mm Mag at the request of the woman so it stopped knocking her ta-ta's(boobs) around so hard. So I had a removeable brake installed and I love every second of it at the range. Then when i take the rifle out in the field I can simply twist the brake off and put on a thread protector and hunt all day with it without fear of loosing anymore hearing. | |||
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Phurley you make it sound as if its a one or another choice. Attractive rifle or bring home the meat? The .338 I have was the only rifle I've ever owned that had a BOSS and somehow all my other rifles got the job done and brought home meat without the BOSS. That is why I decided to lop it off. I didn't like the looks at all and you know what? the BOSS is now off that rifle and it still shoots great and I am now more likely to keep it and go out and get the job done with it. I am a fan of what the BOSS system does for accuracy but I can't stand the look and I absolutely hate muzzle brakes for the piercing noise if you ever shoot them without ear protection on. In my opinion it was a good move to get rid of it. | |||
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Were they missing a lot of Bulls before the BOSS was discovered? | |||
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Snellstrom ----- To answer your question, yes, some of those hunters did miss Bulls before they started using the Boss rifles. My best hunting buddy and I both used Boss rifles and always came home with our Bulls, soon the rest of the gang were looking for the Boss rifles and now there are a total of 8 in our group using them, for reasons already stated. I require those hunting in my group to shoot on my private shooting benchs before going hunting, prior to the Boss rifles they were shooting all over the target, now they all can get .5 in groups at 100 yards with ease. ----- If you felt I was making fun of you for sawing off you Boss, I was not, I was simply stating our reason for using the Boss. I also stated that to each his own. I have shot Elk with three different .300 Winnies, two of which have the Boss. One was a Browning BAR that would not recoil off the Elk when shot, thus allowing a quick follow up shot if required. I shot a very nice 5X5 one year that was running up a mountain at 100 yards, I shot him in the heart lung area, he kept running, I shot again in the same area, he kept on, I shot him again in the neck and down he went, all three shots within a foot of each other. The point is with the Boss and the automatic action the recoil was not enough to loose my sighting picture on the animal until I had him on the ground. I have also killed Approx. 20 Elk with other rifles including .340 Wby, .338 Lapua, two .358 STA's. While they don't have Boss barrels, they are all equipped with Muzzle Brakes. All those rifles will shoot one hole groups at 100 yards when I do my part. It is my contention that the extra weight of the Brake gives the barrel more stability, thus it is more accurate for me, notice I said for me. When I pull the trigger I don't have to worry about recoil and it makes me a better shooter. I also have a .416 Remington and Rigby with brakes and don't mind shooting them regularly. If you want to cut off the Boss, have at it, as for me it works, and the success I have had with them makes them very attractive in my eyes. Good shooting. phurley | |||
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I forgot to address the hearing aspect of the Boss or braked rifles. If you are shooting any rifle, whether braked or not, without hearing protection, you are making a mistake. Anytime you hear a ringing in your ears, you have lost some hearing, regardless if you are shooting or hammering a nail. I have no problem throwing on muffs, or placing ear plugs in my ears just prior to the shot. I also shoot trap and skeet and wouldn't think of not using hearing protection on the ranges. When I shoot off my benchs, which I do three days a week weather permitting, I use plugs and muffs over them. I check my hearing yearly and still have normal hearing in both ears. I shoot several rifles each session and enjoy every minute of it. For two months prior to hunting season I have a lot of company on my private benchs. I also chronograph my loads and those of my buddies. Extensive practice off the benchs just prior to the hunt is also a necessity. My method might be the best, but over the years it has gottten my son, grandsons, and a lot of buddies some nice heads and meat. We hunt the 4th Colorado season and average 80% Bulls. Good shooting. phurley | |||
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